Islam

[planten]

Here are a few of the similiarites between islam and Mein Kampf. It isn’t the Bible that we can compare islam to, it is the Mein Kampf. The muslims are so unwilling to prove that their assertions that the Bible was corrupted, but we know that people like Stalin said, ‘repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth’. So, it is a myth that the Bible was corrupted and especially when the assertion comes from a guy who was an illiterate pagan.

Now, we can compare the teachings of islam to Mein Kampf. You have to read both texts of islam, and also Mein Kampf and you will certainly see the similarities. Also, the history of both - granted the Nazis had a relatively short history, but islam does not and its history of bloodshed and terror is still going on to this day. We see in the UK yet another severe terror warning from the ‘religion of peace’.

UK

I.
Mein Kampf:676, “Spiritual terror…men must threaten and dominate men by compulsion. Compulsion is only broken by compulsion and terror by terror.”

Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”

II.
Mein Kampf:677 “Since our view of life will never share power with another, it cannot co-operate with the existing doctrines it condemns. It is obliged to fight by all available means until the entire world of hostile ideas collapses.”

Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone.”

III.
Mein Kampf:677 “This corrosive fight…for the new program and new view of life [religion] demands determined fighters…and a forceful fighting organization. The recipe for a favorable result requires the formulation of a declaration of war against all existing order [religions and doctrines], and against all existing conceptions of life in general.”

(Just like Islam, it was the Nazis against the world. The “House of Islam” forever battles the “House of War.” )

Tabari IX:69 “He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for those who disbelieve, we will fight them forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing them is a small matter to us.”

IV.
Mein Kampf:679 “The strength of a party lies in the disciplined obedience of the members to follow their leadership. The decisive factors are leadership and discipline. When troops battle one another, the victorious one will be that which is blindly obedient to the Superior Leader.”

Islam says: Ishaq:601 “The best men launch spears as if they were swords. They peer forward unweariedly. They devote their lives to their Prophet. In hand-to-hand fighting and cavalry attacks they purify themselves with the blood of the infidels. They consider that an act of piety.”

V.
Mein Kampf:680 “In order to lead a view of life to victory, we have to transform it into a fighting movement.”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have cut off every opponent’s nose and ears with our swords. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them for they must suffer disgrace.”

There are more, one only has to read.

**Mein Kampf was written by a christian who was an enemy of the Jews. I am sure you will deny that he was a christian. I am sure Hitler was a christian of a very high order and he had plans against the world Jewery. So please tie up Mein Kampf with your bible NT.

I have never read Mein Kampf and do not need to discuss the political problems. I would rather say that you are not a christian but Hitler was a christian. And he played hell with his bad ideas.**

 

[planten]

I want to know what Planten means of Jesus not given a book? I think there is some mis-understanding here. Does Planten was trying to tell us that Jesus was not given the Bible or the NT? I do not even understand the logic here. How can a builder have a house by not building the house. The NT is based on the life of Jesus, how can He have it while He is still on earth? However, Planten, if you have read the NT, you will understand who Jesus is, and to let you know that everything was created by Him.

**angelos says that jesus was not given any book. But we Muslims believe that Jesus was taught the Torah (Bible OT) and the Injeel (Bible NT) by God. Jesus seemed to have received messages from God through Holy Spirit and he worked in the light of the guidance that was sent to him. That is all described in the bible NT and considered sacred by all people.

angelos has disconnected bible NT from Jesus. WE cannot understand what angelos means. He says that Jesus did not have any book. He did not give any book (book means bible NT) to any one. He only gave a church to the people.

The above means that bible has nothing to do with Jesus. It could only be a descriptive life story of Jesus written by men. i.e. nothing from God. Perhaps you can understand what angelos means… by disowning bible NT. **

 

[coleraine]

**Mein Kampf was written by a christian who was an enemy of the Jews. I am sure you will deny that he was a christian. I am sure Hitler was a christian of a very high order and he had plans against the world Jewery. So please tie up Mein Kampf with your bible NT.

I have never read Mein Kampf and do not need to discuss the political problems. I would rather say that you are not a christian but Hitler was a christian. And he played hell with his bad ideas.**

hitler cannot be linked to us! he was a sick man, no matter what he claimed to be. you know this, and cannot fool or persuade anyone, about anything. dont you get that? we see through your lies.

 

[R_not]

**Mein Kampf was written by a christian who was an enemy of the Jews. I am sure you will deny that he was a christian. I am sure Hitler was a christian of a very high order and he had plans against the world Jewery. So please tie up Mein Kampf with your bible NT.

I have never read Mein Kampf and do not need to discuss the political problems. I would rather say that you are not a christian but Hitler was a christian. And he played hell with his bad ideas.**

That is not the point. We have already discussed Hitler’s Christianity (or lack there of) and now I point out the similarities between islam and nazism. They are much more similar than the Bible and the koran.

And mohammed not only played hades with his bad ideas - but so did mohammed who seemed to have thought up those bad ideas before Hitler did.

You are just sour grapes because they are so similar and the more we read about islam the more similar they become. islam has those same plans against the Jews - and the Christians, and the Hindus, and the buddhists, and the atheists, and any other non-muslim faith.

 

[planten]

That is not the point. We have already discussed Hitler’s Christianity (or lack there of) and now I point out the similarities between islam and nazism. They are much more similar than the Bible and the koran.

And mohammed not only played hades with his bad ideas - but so did mohammed who seemed to have thought up those bad ideas before Hitler did.

You are just sour grapes because they are so similar and the more we read about islam the more similar they become. islam has those same plans against the Jews - and the Christians, and the Hindus, and the buddhists, and the atheists, and any other non-muslim faith.

** Hitler was a christian (100%). So please keep all his work in your own bag. Do not spill it out to others.**

 

[R_not]

**angelos says that jesus was not given any book. But we Muslims believe that Jesus was taught the Torah (Bible OT) and the Injeel (Bible NT) by God. Jesus seemed to have received messages from God through Holy Spirit and he worked in the light of the guidance that was sent to him. That is all described in the bible NT and considered sacred by all people.

angelos has disconnected bible NT from Jesus. WE cannot understand what angelos means. He says that Jesus did not have any book. He did not give any book (book means bible NT) to any one. He only gave a church to the people.

The above means that bible has nothing to do with Jesus. It could only be a descriptive life story of Jesus written by men. i.e. nothing from God. Perhaps you can understand what angelos means… by disowning bible NT. **

The logic that has so many in islam following a nasty guy like mohammed, including you, could only come up with the logic that you write.

 

[coleraine]

** Hitler was a christian (100%). So please keep all his work in your own bag. Do not spill it out to others.**

Planten…let me explain something to you. now, you listen and you listen good. did the bible inspire hitler, in any way, to do what he did? NO. but…where to Muslims get their backing from when they get violent? the Koran. you can argue about what particular verses mean, but if verses in a holy book can be used to back up violence, and its actually something thats debatable, not just 100% foolish…what does that say about the religion uses that book? that religion that imposes sharia law? what does that say?

 

[R_not]

** Hitler was a christian (100%). So please keep all his work in your own bag. Do not spill it out to others.**

I don’t care what his religion was - the Mein Kampf is very similar to the koran and hadiths. I know you don’t like it, but that is the truth.

here are some more similarities:

I.
**Der fuhrer and der prophet had security detachments. Hitler called the first of these “Storm Troops.” **Mein Kampf:729 “I had a protective detachment as a supervision service. They were all young Party comrades who were instructed and trained to the effect that terror can be broken only by terror. By fighting for our idea, they protected me with their last drop of blood. They were saturated with the doctrine. We found that the best weapon of defense was the attack. We became known not as a debating club but as a fighting community. My boys shined when I made clear to them the necessity of their mission, assuring them again and again that all the wisdom in the world will remain futile if force does not enter its service, defending and protecting it. The Goddess of Peace can only march side by side with the God of War.”

Muhammad’s thugs weren’t quite as articulate, but they were no less loyal. Ishaq:580 “We helped Allah’s Apostle, angry on his account, with a thousand warriors. We carried his flag on the end of our lances. We were his helpers, protecting his banner in deadly combat. We dyed it with blood, for that was its color. We were the Prophet’s right arm in Islam. We were his bodyguards before other troops served him. We helped him against his opponents. Allah richly rewarded that fine Prophet Muhammad.”

II.
Mein Kampf:730 “And how these boys stood up! Like a swarm of hornets they stormed upon the mockers at our meeting incurring wounds and making sacrifices so that they made a path for the holy mission of our movement.” Mein Kampf:747 “The boys of the Storm Troop performed their duty. They attacked like wolves… Our opponents learned a lesson they will never forget.”

This is reminiscent of the 8th surah which says: “Inflict upon them such a defeat as will be a lesson for others, that they may be warned.” And the Hadith which substituted one pest for another. Ishaq:564 “The Muslims stole our goods and divided them. Their spears pierced us not once but twice. Their squadrons came at us like a swarm of locusts. Were it not for the religion of Muhammad’s people, their cavalry would never have attacked us.”

III.
This next passage encapsulates Muhammad’s reason for founding Islam. Mein Kampf:752 “Destiny chooses the Man and Destiny gives him the final victory. Dissatisfied with the religious life of his people, he longs for a renovation. Based upon his inspiration he is called upon to present a solution for this religious distress, appearing like a prophet of a new doctrine and as a fighter against the existing ones.”

There is no more effective means to rule people than to claim that you are called to be “god’s” prophet, and then to mix your poison with the passion of a pugilist. Ishaq:530 “Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with His Apostle. O Lord, I believe in his word. I know Allah’s [Fate’s, a.k.a. Satan’s] truth in accepting it. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends.”

IV.
Take note that each promise ‘heavenly rewards’ for murdering and terrorizing others.
Mein Kampf:768 “It is certain that each hero who comes forward voluntarily, and dies the sacred death of martyrdom climbs the steps to Valhalla.”

This is no different than: Qur’an 4.74 “Let those who fight in the Cause of Allah sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the Cause of Allah, whether he is slain or gets victory - soon shall We give him a great reward.”

There is more…

 

[morning_star777]

**Mein Kampf was written by a christian who was an enemy of the Jews. I am sure you will deny that he was a christian. I am sure Hitler was a christian of a very high order and he had plans against the world Jewery. So please tie up Mein Kampf with your bible NT.

I have never read Mein Kampf and do not need to discuss the political problems. I would rather say that you are not a christian but Hitler was a christian. And he played hell with his bad ideas.**

Dear planten,Hitler was not christian.Ya by birth he was christian but later he was involved with demonology.And Hitler Later claimed himself as an Aryan(ancestors of Hindus),and even he thought himself as Arjuna(A hero In Mahabharata) with his Bow!and I got that information via google search and wikipedia,you can also find.So it is clear that Hitler leaved christianity so he was not a christian.And if after Leaving Christianity you claim Hitler as a very high order Christian,then what do you think about us?I or angelos,sam_777;we are still muslim?Or cathopologist is still a hindu?or What about sister amy?she is a converted muslim!so?Surely you do not think me,angelos,sam as a muslim and cathopologist as a Hindu,because we have converted to christianity,and sister amy as a christian,who was converted to islam!So you also can not claim that Hitler was a Christian,because he leaved christianity and became a demonologist and surely a demonologist is not only a non christian but also an anti christian.So hitler was not a christian.

 

[planten]

hitler cannot be linked to us! he was a sick man, no matter what he claimed to be. you know this, and cannot fool or persuade anyone, about anything. dont you get that? we see through your lies.

** Please do not try to divert the matter. He was a perfect real christian 100%. At least he was not a Muslim. All his friends were christians. If he was a mad or sick man then would you say that all the Germans who were with him were all mad or sick people?

He was a very bad example of christianity and you cannot disown him. Just try to see the cleverness of one poster here (R_Not) who is linking Hitler with Muslims. How clever !! I will put Hitler back amongst the real christians.

If he was not a christian, If he was a sick (mad) man, then why did not the people of the world come to know about his madness for more than 10 years? He belonged to you and please keep him with yourself for all the bad works that he had done. Do not throw him off to other nations. Nobody will believe that Hitler was not a christian. If he was not a christian then was he a Jew? Or was he a Muslim? or an atheist? You have no where to go.

Do not try to twist or rewrite the history.**

 

[Scientiphic]

** Hitler was a christian (100%). So please keep all his work in your own bag. Do not spill it out to others.**

Planten, BUT… do you agree that Hitler was a very very evil person because he hated the Jews and wanted so much to kill them and performed such a barbaric massacre???

If yes, what do you think then of this. Isn’t this person also very evil?:

“The prophet(pbuh), said: The time [of judgment] will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews and slaughter them; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!” (Sahih Muslim book 41, no. 6985);

.

 

[coleraine]

** Please do not try to divert the matter. He was a perfect real christian 100%. At least he was not a Muslim. All his friends were christians. If he was a mad or sick man then would you say that all the Germans who were with him were all mad or sick people?

He was a very bad example of christianity and you cannot disown him. Just try to see the cleverness of one poster here (R_Not) who is linking Hitler with Muslims. How clever !! I will put Hitler back amongst the real christians.

If he was not a christian, If he was a sick (mad) man, then why did not the people of the world come to know about his madness for more than 10 years? He belonged to you and please keep him with yourself for all the bad works that he had done. Do not throw him off to other nations. Nobody will believe that Hitler was not a christian. If he was not a christian then was he a Jew? Or was he a Muslim? or an atheist? You have no where to go.

Do not try to twist or rewrite the history.**

If he was a christian, then he was in mortal sin. he was cut off from god. whatever he did was not in the name of god, but in the name of satan, with whom he had allied himself with. with evil. and you fail to make a response to the fact that he did not get inspiration form the church, or from the bible. but terrorists can use violent verses in the Koran about killing as their excuse. when you say i have no where to go…you are just getting a big mouth. you know i have proven you wrong. i suppose you have a very big imagination.

 

[R_not]

** Please do not try to divert the matter. He was a perfect real christian 100%. At least he was not a Muslim. All his friends were christians. If he was a mad or sick man then would you say that all the Germans who were with him were all mad or sick people?

He was a very bad example of christianity and you cannot disown him. Just try to see the cleverness of one poster here (R_Not) who is linking Hitler with Muslims. How clever !! I will put Hitler back amongst the real christians.

If he was not a christian, If he was a sick (mad) man, then why did not the people of the world come to know about his madness for more than 10 years? He belonged to you and please keep him with yourself for all the bad works that he had done. Do not throw him off to other nations. Nobody will believe that Hitler was not a christian. If he was not a christian then was he a Jew? Or was he a Muslim? or an atheist? You have no where to go.

Do not try to twist or rewrite the history.**

So, put yourself into your explanation and substitute Hitler for mohammed, and is that why you are so afraid now that we might think that anyone who follows mohammed as mad and sick as him?

No matter what Hitler was - the similarities between his Mein Kampf and islam’s texts are very astounding. You are trying to muddy the waters over worrying over what religion Hitler was. Look who brought Hitler down? It was the USA, the UK, France, and many other allies. The majority of the USA’s armed forces were Christians - but not all. There were others.

Unfortunately, we could just sit back and be as the Germans did - who let Hitler take over - and let islam take over. That is the stated goal of islam - to make sharia law the laws of the land. To not necessarily make everyone a muslim, but to either kill, convert, or subjugate the peoples.

 

[planten]

Planten…let me explain something to you. now, you listen and you listen good. did the bible inspire hitler, in any way, to do what he did? NO. but…where to Muslims get their backing from when they get violent? the Koran. you can argue about what particular verses mean, but if verses in a holy book can be used to back up violence, and its actually something thats debatable, not just 100% foolish…what does that say about the religion uses that book? that religion that imposes sharia law? what does that say?

**I admit the foolish interpretation of the present day Muslims about the verses of the Quran. I have admitted that they are wrong in:

1. Calling for any holy religious war (Jihad) with weapons.
2. For killing any one (in peace time) who recants ie. leaves Islam.
3. For killing the adulterer.
4. For forcing any one to accept islam with power of a weapon.
5. For Killing any peaceful Jew or christian or Hindu.
6. For implementing the laws of Sharia the way they are doing
7. For hating the Jews and the christians and the Hindus…
8. For killing any peaceful person of any faith.

If any one is doing it then it is wrong and unislamic. But I will not say that those are not Muslims. Similarly, you should not disown Hitler. Say that he did all wrong. It was un-christian. But do not deny that he was a christian. We do not know how he was reading his bible NT.**

 

[R_not]

If he was a christian, then he was in mortal sin. he was cut off from god. whatever he did was not in the name of god, but in the name of satan, with whom he had allied himself with. with evil. and you fail to make a response to the fact that he did not get inspiration form the church, or from the bible. but terrorists can use violent verses in the Koran about killing as their excuse. when you say i have no where to go…you are just getting a big mouth. you know i have proven you wrong. i suppose you have a very big imagination.

You have, and can, run circles around planten! I have read your posts and they are and what we all have to realize is that it is just a tactic when someone disagrees with them.

 

[Reuben_J]

**angelos says that jesus was not given any book. But we Muslims believe that Jesus was taught the Torah (Bible OT) and the Injeel (Bible NT) by God. **

Just to put a reminder (again) at this stage. Muslims speaks about the Injeel being given to Jesus but none know the content on this Injeel. Which let us to believe - that this so called Injeel is just an imaginary ‘convenience’, an excuse to set the stage for the justification of Mohammad’s appearance.

I used to dialogue with Muslims a few years back, but none can answer this question. None can answer where lies the corruption of the Bible, like when, where, and how. I have now given up waiting for their answer. It’s quite clear - all the talk about previous revelations of God - is nothing. Mohammad did not know enough. Thank God, Christians could not be bothered by this false prophet let alone to be decieved by him and his agents. It’s good to warn the others though.

 

[coleraine]

**I admit the foolish interpretation of the present day Muslims about the verses of the Quran. I have admitted that they are wrong in:

1. Calling for any holy religious war (Jihad) with weapons.
2. For killing any one (in peace time) who recants ie. leaves Islam.
3. For killing the adulterer.
4. For forcing any one to accept islam with power of a weapon.
5. For Killing any peaceful Jew or christian or Hindu.
6. For implementing the laws of Sharia the way they are doing
7. For hating the Jews and the christians and the Hindus…
8. For killing any peaceful person of any faith.

If any one is doing it then it is wrong and unislamic. But I will not say that those are not Muslims. Similarly, you should not disown Hitler. Say that he did all wrong. It was un-christian. But do not deny that he was a christian. We do not know how he was reading his bible NT.**

but let me ask you this: terrorists use the Koran as an excuse. i dont want to get into interperatation, but it is true, that because of violent verses, they use it as an excuse. where in the NT is violence against anyone condoned? nowhere.

 

[R_not]

**I admit the foolish interpretation of the present day Muslims about the verses of the Quran. I have admitted that they are wrong in:

1. Calling for any holy religious war (Jihad) with weapons.
2. For killing any one (in peace time) who recants ie. leaves Islam.
3. For killing the adulterer.
4. For forcing any one to accept islam with power of a weapon.
5. For Killing any peaceful Jew or christian or Hindu.
6. For implementing the laws of Sharia the way they are doing
7. For hating the Jews and the christians and the Hindus…
8. For killing any peaceful person of any faith.

If any one is doing it then it is wrong and unislamic. But I will not say that those are not Muslims. Similarly, you should not disown Hitler. Say that he did all wrong. It was un-christian. But do not deny that he was a christian. We do not know how he was reading his bible NT.**

I am falling off my chair when I read this post. I cannot believe that we finally got you to recognize what we have been stating in so many threads and so many posts.

But, the part that they are not muslims - finally, a muslims stating that they are indeed muslims! And this is the problem with islam. It would be like us becoming nazis just because Hitler was a Christian. At least this is the logic that I am still reading here.

I will not accept Hitler, and know that God has judged him and put him where he belongs. And if he didn’t commit suicide, then he should pay for his crimes just like Saddam Hussein paid for his crimes, and as many of Hitler’s henchment paid for their crimes. But, in islam these types of thugs are celebrated and honored as martyrs. We saw too many ‘moderate’ muslims celebrating over not only 9/11, but other atrocities done to non-muslims.

Thank you planten.

 

[Angelos]

**angelos says that jesus was not given any book. But we Muslims believe that Jesus was taught the Torah (Bible OT) and the Injeel (Bible NT) by God. Jesus seemed to have received messages from God through Holy Spirit and he worked in the light of the guidance that was sent to him. That is all described in the bible NT and considered sacred by all people.

angelos has disconnected bible NT from Jesus. WE cannot understand what angelos means. He says that Jesus did not have any book. He did not give any book (book means bible NT) to any one. He only gave a church to the people.

The above means that bible has nothing to do with Jesus. It could only be a descriptive life story of Jesus written by men. i.e. nothing from God. Perhaps you can understand what angelos means… by disowning bible NT. **

How many times shall I have to warn you not to slander me? Is it really so difficult for you to be honest?

I definitely refute the ISLAMIC notion of REVELATION. This is why I deny that Jesus was GIVEN a book named Gospel (Injeel) like the Koran. You Muslims do not believe that the NT is the same book as the book supposedly given to Jesus.

Planten, thanks for convincing me that dishonesty and lying are allowed and encouraged in Islam.

 

[cathopologist]

How many times shall I have to warn you not to slander me? Is it really so difficult for you to be honest?

Brother Angelos, you have what planten does not have. The love for Christ and His precious teachings. It is difficult to love an enemy, but please pray for planten. He may not appreciate it, but God will.