Israel 'ready for escalation' of Gaza conflict

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I am not sure about that. Didn’t Israel steal the land belonging to the Palestinians in 1948 and 1967? Why is it OK for Israel to steal the land belonging to the Palestinians and to keep them in an enslaved condition in Gaza? Isn’t stealing wrong and against the 10 Commandments?
The islamists have duped a good part of the world into believing one of the greatest hoaxes in history. To state that Jews are “stealing” Palestinian land only reinforces a maxim made prominent by the infamous Nazi propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels: “If you tell a lie long enough, people will begin to believe it.” Source
 
According to the CNN article, Hamas denied firing the rockets. Israeli newspapers are reporting that the military wing of the Popular Resistance Committees, the al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigades, has claimed credit.

At any rate, more rockets have been fired at additional cities. Israel has resumed airstrikes on Gaza and has recalled its negotiators who were in Egypt to work out a longer ceasefire.

timesofisrael.com/day-32-hamas-warns-that-without-deal-on-harbor-itll-resume-attacks-friday/
I see birds of the same feather. Unless of course Hamas condemns them for doing so.

Have we heard from Hamas? Oh yes, 18 rockets so far and counting.
 
The islamists have duped a good part of the world into believing one of the greatest hoaxes in history. To state that Jews are “stealing” Palestinian land only reinforces a maxim made prominent by the infamous Nazi propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels: “If you tell a lie long enough, people will begin to believe it.” Source
The source you provided (americanthinker.com/2011/11/no_one_is_stealing_palestinian_land.html) is interpreting history to suit his own purposes. Let’s take a look at some of his misleading statements:

“From an historical standpoint, Jews have lived in the land of Israel for nearly 4,000 years.”

False: If you’re going by biblical records—which the writer does—then this omits the 400 years in slavery in Egypt.

*“During these periods of disbursement, there has always remained a constant Jewish presence in the land of Israel and in Jerusalem.”
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Technically true, but after the Jewish Dispersion by the Romans, their numbers were extremely small, almost negligible. And by the way, Native Americans were here first, then we came. Should they now be in charge?

*“For those Jews forced into exile throughout the world, one theme has remained constant: the dream of returning to their homeland, Eretz Yisrael, to rebuild and restore her to the glory of old.” *

That’s nice, but just because they had dreams doesn’t mean they had a right to the land.

“As early as 1209 BCE, Merneptah, the son of Ramses II, following a great victory over Libyan and seafaring armies invading Egypt, made mention of Israel and the Jewish people.”

False: it makes reference to Israel, yes…but it doesn’t make reference to the Jewish people. Let’s not forget that the word “Jew” comes from the word “Judah,” as in tribe of Judah. Judah was but one of the twelve tribes. (Or eleven tribes, if you consider that the tribe of Benjamin was basically absorbed by the tribe of Judah). Wow, this author is really stretching the truth here!

“This engraved stone made reference to a revolt by Jews in Israel which Merneptah massively repressed. It is the earliest non-biblical reference to Jews as a socio-ethnic unity, powerful enough to be mentioned along with other major city-states that were also neutralized by Merneptah.”

Ha, ha, ha. No way. So the tribe of Judah alone revolted in Egypt? I suppose the other 11 tribes got popcorn and watched the battle! “In” Israel? Israel didn’t even exist yet. The Merneptah stone refers to Israel as a people, not a place. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele#.22Israel_is_laid_waste.22

The author then goes into how the northern kingdom got conquered by the Assyrians in the 8th century B.C.

True. There go 10 of the 12 tribes! Most were exiled, some remained, and some fled to the south. Those who remained intermixed with the Assyrians, and thereby became a mixed breed, the future reviled Samaritans. Samaritans didn’t even recognize the temple in Jerusalem, and even the Jews later didn’t even regard them as Jews.

That leaves the southern kingdom, Judah. These were the ones who preserved true Judaism. As we know, they were exiled by the Babylonians, and then returned after 50 years of exile in the 6th century. The kingdom was gone though, as they were overrun first by Persians, and then by the Greeks in the 4th century, then the Syrian Greeks (Seleucids). They finally gained independence from the Seleucids in the 2nd century B.C (about 165 BC) and they ruled themselves for almost 100 years. Then the Romans took over and effectively were in charge until the 7th century…that’s when the Muslims took over, and for the most part held on the Holy Land until the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire during WWI.

So let’s break this down: Israel, as a tribal confederation, lived in the land for 200 years during the time of Judges (side by side with other kingdoms like Moabites, Canaanites, Philistines, etc.) and then as a united kingdom Israel only existed for about 70 years, namely during the reigns of David and Solomon. After Solomon, the northern kingdom (Israel) lasted only about 200 years, and the southern kingdom for about 400. So after the Persians period (late 6th century)—apart from the Maccabean period for a century—Jews never ruled the Holy Land again until 1948: that’s effectively almost 2500 years of not being masters of their own land! The Romans held it for about 700 years, and the Arabs for some 1300 years.

And let’s not forget that according to the Bible, when Joshua entered into the land after the exodus, they find people were already there. Where are the modern-day Canaanites to make their claims!?

The article is so slanted, and so misleading, it is laughable. It contains blatant falsehoods that cursory research would discredit. Not a solid source for the “indigenous Jew” case.

Here is another point of view on the same subject:

kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html (please read it in its entirety if you plan on making points concerning it.)

P.S.: And even apart from the historical argument, the United Nations and the international community has deemed the settlements in the West Bank as illegal. That’s stealing.
 
That’s stealing.
And in recorded history man has been at war statistically every 2 years. Probability indicates it will continue, do you agree with this?

Wars continuously have been fought throughout time over “borders”. Do you agree?

So all those who took land through war from others should give it back?

I don’t understand what you saying. To me it makes no sense. History is full of injustice. And morality rarely plays a role.

So everyone who “took” land from others thus “stole” ought to give it back?
 
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Greek Orthodox church compound, a site that sheltered hundreds of Palestinians who fled their homes during IDF shelling in the area, was used by members of Hamas to launch rockets at Israeli territory, a prominent Christian leader in the Strip said Wednesday
 
And in recorded history man has been at war statistically every 2 years. Probability indicates it will continue, do you agree with this?

Wars continuously have been fought throughout time over “borders”. Do you agree?

So all those who took land through war from others should give it back?

I don’t understand what you saying. To me it makes no sense. History is full of injustice. And morality rarely plays a role.

So everyone who “took” land from others thus “stole” ought to give it back?
No, my point about stealing had to do with the illegal settlements.

Everything else in my post was just discrediting the article that the previous poster posted.
 
History is full of injustice. And morality rarely plays a role.

So everyone who “took” land from others thus “stole” ought to give it back?
So in other words, it was OK for Israel to steal the land of the Palestinians and to barricade them into an enslaved, subhuman condition?
 
I present to you a document produced by the UN in 2009 that details the many ways in which Israeli government committed crimes against the Palestinians since 1948: discrimination, illegal settlements, denying building permits, demolishment of Palestinian settlements, and using Palestinians as human shields.

www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48.pdf

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It is pretty tragic and looks very much like Israel has committed war crimes:
“709. During the morning of 4 January 2009, Israeli soldiers entered many of the houses in
al-Samouni area. One of the first, around 5 a.m., was the house of Ateya Helmi al-Samouni, a
45-year-old man. Faraj, his 22-year-old son, had already met Israeli soldiers some minutes
earlier as he stepped outside the house to warn his neighbours that their roof was burning. The
soldiers entered Ateya al-Samouni’s house by force, throwing some explosive device, possibly a
grenade. In the midst of the smoke, fire and loud noise, Ateya al-Samouni stepped forward, his
arms raised, and declared that he was the owner of the house. The soldiers shot him while he was
still holding his ID and an Israeli driving licence in his hands. The soldiers then opened gunfire
inside the room in which all the approximately 20 family members were gathered. Several were
injured, Ahmad, a boy of four, particularly seriously. Soldiers with night vision equipment
entered the room and closely inspected each of those present. The soldiers then moved to the
next room and set fire to it. The smoke from that room soon started to suffocate the family. A
witness speaking to the Mission recalled seeing “white stuff” coming out of the mouth of his
17-month-old nephew and helping him to breathe.
710. At about 6.30 a.m. the soldiers ordered the family to leave the house. They had to leave
Ateya’s body behind but were carrying Ahmad, who was still breathing. The family tried to enter
the house of an uncle next door, but were not allowed to do so by the soldiers. The soldiers told
them to take the road and leave the area, but a few metres further a different group of soldiers
stopped them and ordered the men to undress completely. Faraj al-Samouni, who was carrying
the severely injured Ahmad, pleaded with them to be allowed to take the injured to Gaza. The
soldiers allegedly replied using abusive language.”
www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48.pdf
 
So in other words, it was OK for Israel to steal the land of the Palestinians and to barricade them into an enslaved, subhuman condition?
Interesting take Tom, I see the propaganda war is in full effect. Personally I think Hamas is losing a bit of its wind and arrogance. Everyone is waiting in Cairo for them to “completely” calm down and return. Obviously they are completely irrational. Could be they are planing ahead without them too.
 
Interesting take Tom, I see the propaganda war is in full effect. Personally I think Hamas is losing a bit of its wind and arrogance. Everyone is waiting in Cairo for them to “completely” calm down and return. Obviously they are completely irrational. Could be they are planing ahead without them too.
Do you deny that in 1948, that Zionists loaded Palestinians on trucks and took them away as far as possible? Do you deny that the Zionists destroyed more than 400 villages in Palestine with the result that 700,000 Palestinians became homeless refugees? The 1947 UN Partition of Palestine allotted Israel 45% of the land area of the British mandate Palestine to Israel, but after 1948, Israel annexed Palestinian territory and controlled 78% of Palestine?
 
I agree that Hamas instigated this conflict by murdering 3 youth, and are responsible for this conflict, and they are responsible for the death of the civilians. Further they led an entire generation of Muslim youth astray just like Isis. Traumatized another generation with the Jewish youth. The world will be a better place when they head back to the hole they crawled out of.

Israel seeks its survival and is fighting against a non-state, non-uniform terrorist enemy that has declared as its goal the extermination of every Jew. What part of that do you not understand?
 
Has anyone estimated how long the terror tunnels were under construction? Was heavy equipment used and were workers visible? What did they do with the dirt? They appear to have cement walls and electric cables with safety lights hung at measured intervals. Did they have ventilation pipes as well? How could a resident have two in their “front yard” and not know about it? Did Israel plan to wait until they tried to “use” one before destroying them? The number destroyed was reported to be approximately 32 but more were suspected.
Imagine how important this endeavor was to the Gaza people - location, location as they say in the real estate biz. In the terror biz its “where are the children?”. 😦
 
I am asking about these tunnels. Anyone got any info? One thing is for sure, I have never heard, or seen a picture, of an Israeli person holding a child as human schrappnel or chopping them into pieces.
 
Tunnel info - anyone?
The one thing I know for sure is that the Israelis have known about these tunnels for quite some time, but with the help of the media they give the impression that this was some new discovery.
 
The one thing I know for sure is that the Israelis have known about these tunnels for quite some time, but with the help of the media they give the impression that this was some new discovery.
It would be interesting to know how many Israeli civilians have been killed by Hamas fighters using these tunnels. My guess is that it was none, but I’d be interested to know.

Meanwhile, 2000 Palestinian civilians have died at the hands of the IDF. The disproportionality is massive, and no amount of spurious claims that “It was the fault of Hamas” can absolve the Israeli government. Israel, as the occupying power in Gaza as recognized in international law, is responsible for the vast majority of those deaths.
 
What part of that do you not understand?
I don’t understand the part where children sleeping in UN safety facilities are being killed as reported by the Tidings newspaper, the official newspaper of the Roman Catholic archdiocese of Los Angeles in their August 8, 2014 issue, page 9:
“Innocent children are getting killed” According to the article:“The Palestinian people in Gaza cannot even hide in their homes - innocent children are getting killed while sleeping between their moms and dads.” This is a report from Abir El Zowidi who recounted the violent deaths of family members in Gaza.
Further, I do not understand why people are overlooking the destruction of 400 villages in Palestine with the result that 700,000 people were left homeless and the illegal annexation of Palestinian territory by Israel.
 
I don’t understand the part where children sleeping in UN safety facilities are being killed as reported by the Tidings newspaper, the official newspaper of the Roman Catholic archdiocese of Los Angeles in their August 8, 2014 issue, page 9:
“Innocent children are getting killed” According to the article:“The Palestinian people in Gaza cannot even hide in their homes - innocent children are getting killed while sleeping between their moms and dads.” This is a report from Abir El Zowidi who recounted the violent deaths of family members in Gaza.
Further, I do not understand why people are overlooking the destruction of 400 villages in Palestine with the result that 700,000 people were left homeless and the illegal annexation of Palestinian territory by Israel.
There is a well-reviewed book by a Catholic archbishop called “Blood Brothers” that tells the story of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from a Christian perspective.

amazon.com/Blood-Brothers-Dramatic-Palestinian-Christian/dp/0800793218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407652697&sr=8-1&keywords=blood+brothers
 
I don’t understand the part where children sleeping in UN safety facilities are being killed as reported by the Tidings newspaper, the official newspaper of the Roman Catholic archdiocese of Los Angeles in their August 8, 2014 issue, page 9:
“Innocent children are getting killed” According to the article:“The Palestinian people in Gaza cannot even hide in their homes - innocent children are getting killed while sleeping between their moms and dads.” This is a report from Abir El Zowidi who recounted the violent deaths of family members in Gaza.
Further, I do not understand why people are overlooking the destruction of 400 villages in Palestine with the result that 700,000 people were left homeless and the illegal annexation of Palestinian territory by Israel.
You need to post the links, none are here repetitively. The relativism Is propaganda of Radicals. Same nonsense coming out of Iran. We have gone from Wiki Pedia to no links and speculation and now recommendations of book readings

The Zion-Nazi rant is insulting and a racist fairy tale and clearly Hamas has no room to talk.

Today a radical terrorist group is responsible for the civilian death-HAMAS, Israel has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat to civilian life. There is no illegal annexation, you must be thinking Crimea. About the same as Jordans of Israel which the Jordanians overnight became Palestinian. The destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum. The Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden Jordans were Palestinians, they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag.

I don’t see where there is anything to talk about here. Its the land of double standards and propaganda .

I’m not interested in the Zionist-West chant. Its racist and insulting.

The only one talking about extermination is “HAMAS”. And in public interviews. Hamas does not accept the existence of Israel and continues to pursue its objectives through terror and violence. Most disturbing by brainwashed children repetitively displayed on the daily news.

Hamas does not recognize Israel on a single inch of the land, the Fatwa orders for a continuation of the extermination of the Jews. And generation by generation as the hate is taught as we see. They do not want Israel on any of the land. An they cannot by their own death orders relinquish the land. To make a long story short, they are using civilians as martyrs for their Fatwa because they are terrorists and cowards and racist to the bone.
Following are excerpts from an interview with Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar, which aired on Dream 1 TV on July 21, 2011:
Mahmoud Al-Zahhar: We in Gaza conducted a plan of resistance in order to drive the occupation out. The plan was accomplished, and not a single settler or soldier remains on the Palestinian land in Gaza. Our plan is to continue this approach. Today, we have completed the liberation of Gaza, and your plan does not… At this moment in time, we say to you, first of all: We want Palestine in its entirety – so there will not be any misunderstandings. If our generation is unable to achieve this, the next one will, and we are raising our children on this. Palestine means Palestine in its entirety, and Israel cannot exist in our midst.
Interviewer: But that was your past rhetoric. Today, you are talking about the 1967 borders…
Mahmoud Al-Zahhar: I swear by Allah, this is what is on our minds.
Interviewer: Today, you are talking about the 1967 borders.
Mahmoud Al-Zahhar: Fine, but this is a phase. This is just a phase.
memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/3051.htm

All MB related. All terrorist agenda.

Thanks for the conversation. There is no concern for the innocents you speak of by Hamas.
 
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