I've been born again to a living hope through Jesus Christ. I have an inheritance in heaven that is imperishable. By God's power, it is being guarded

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no protestant (@ CAF) has yet to effectively refute the lack of logic osas entails… not to me anyway…

**mmm has declined to answer my post (67)… **

he didn’t comment on how “the body of belivers” may mean more than just Whoever claims to be a Christian… that being a christian may involve following Christ’s representatives on EArth (priests, pope…)

no comment on how ETERNAL punishment is mentioned in St Mt 25;31… as being a consequences of NOT doing works of charity… (Some scripture psgs mention punishment and some eternal punishment… This one mentions ***eternal punishment… ***)

he does’t respond to my answers to his questions on “deserving Heaven” and the one he asked about God “paying” us for doing right…

he makes no comment about how doing “all” Christ commands might involve belonging to His one true Church…

hate to say this but get SO tired of this kind ofthing… :rolleyes: OSAS’ers bringing up some subject and ranting and raving on it… and then not responding to your response…

:hmmm:

but then maybe its a good sign…

maybe it means they don’t disagree… 🙂
To the true believer we take assurance that we will be with the Lord not matter what sin we commit. Now that doesn’t mean that we should go out and commit sin but in Rom 8:1 Paul wrote “There is therefore NOW no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.” No sin a believer can commit past, present, or future can be held against him, since the penalty was paid by Christ and righteousness was imputed to the believer. And no sin will ever reverse this divine legal decision.
Not quite sure what you are talking about in Matt 25:31 but the writer in this passage is talking to believers - sheep and non believers - goats not eternal judgement for not doing charitable work for everyone.
 
To the true believer we take assurance that we will be with the Lord not matter what sin we commit. Now that doesn’t mean that we should go out and commit sin but in Rom 8:1 Paul wrote “There is therefore NOW no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.” No sin a believer can commit past, present, or future can be held against him, since the penalty was paid by Christ and righteousness was imputed to the believer. And no sin will ever reverse this divine legal decision.
Not quite sure what you are talking about in Matt 25:31 but the writer in this passage is talking to believers - sheep and non believers - goats not eternal judgement for not doing charitable work for everyone.
I love your “new Gospel”!!! Where did you get it? It sounds so much easier to follow. Shoot, you don’t have to do a thing!
 
**mmm has declined to answer my post (67)… **
Distracted has declined to read post 105…
he didn’t comment on how “the body of belivers” may mean more than just Whoever claims to be a Christian… that being a christian may involve following Christ’s representatives on EArth (priests, pope…)
1 Corinthians 1. Divisions in the church. Whose name were you baptized into? I’m willing to bet it was the same name I was baptized into. I’m also willing to bet it wasn’t a priest, a pope, Peter, Paul, or Mary. Are you trying to jack the thread and take it as far off topic as possible? Church authority is not on topic at all for this thread. I think you’re doing this because you want to antagonize me, and this is one of your favorite ways of doing so.

Who EVER said “the body of believers” means “just Whoever claims to be a Christian?” I’ll tell you who: No one. It’s the kind of thing that no one ever says; it’s only attributed to people in ways that range from silly to disingenuous to deceitful.
no comment on how ETERNAL punishment is mentioned in St Mt 25;31… as being a consequences of NOT doing works of charity… (Some scripture psgs mention punishment and some eternal punishment… This one mentions ***eternal punishment… ***)
You’re trying very hard to talk about the merit system. I can see that. Please show how this is relevant. I could find my way from here back to the OP without too much trouble, but if you don’t bother to show how your march through the Biblical arguments for the merit system pertain to Peter’s words about an eternal inheritance in heaven (and so forth), I’m not as likely to care. I’ll probably spend more time on things that are presented in a more worthwhile manner.
he does’t respond to my answers to his questions on “deserving Heaven” and the one he asked about God “paying” us for doing right…
Take a head count. How many Protestants do you see and how many Catholics? I can’t give you the individual attention you give me. Not on an open thread, anyway. If you change your tone a little, I do quite well with PM’s going back and forth.

Just so you know, the character of the post I’m currently responding to is such that it is very difficult to avoid being condescending with the reply. I’m doing the best I can, but I don’t know how long I can keep it up. I just don’t know. Maybe that’s your goal? I don’t know that either. I sure hope not. I’ll tell you what it feels like, though, and this is the honest truth. It feels like you’re trying to bring out the worst in me. If it continues to feel that way, I probably won’t talk to you anymore.

It’s probably not very profitable to say something as vacuous as “Stop doing that,” though, so I’ll be a little more specific. What you’ve just done is made a post directed at pretty much everyone except me, and the content of the post resembled something out of a Costanza celebration of Festivus on Seinfeld- specifically, the Airing of Grievances. If you want to say something to me, say it to me. Don’t just air your grievances about me to the general public. I’m right here. I may go a few days without getting on here sometimes, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea for you to complain about my lack of responsiveness in a manner that’s directed at everyone but me.

This is what I’m talking about. “mmm has declined…he didn’t comment…he doesn’t respond…I am so tired of this kind of thing.” Ask yourself: Who was that directed at? You’re talking about me- in unflattering terms, at that- and you’re doing it right in front of me. That’s not cool. Again, it feels like you’re doing this primarily out of a desire to antagonize me. I realize you’re frustrated because you’re waiting for a response to post 67, but this still isn’t cool. I talked about post 67 in post 105, and maybe you missed that. Maybe you saw it but you weren’t satisfied with the depth of the response. Whatever. All you have to do is ask. Sometimes you might have to ask a couple of times and wait four or five days total, but that’s the nature of these forums. Bottom line is this: When you want a response from me, you’d better talk to me. Complaints about me that are directed at everyone but me are not going to get you far, and it’s not a good habit to get into.

If you feel that this is unfair to you or that I got carried away, you may feel free to talk to me about it. Just make sure you don’t go complaining about it to everyone else in lieu of that.
 
To the true believer we take assurance that we will be with the Lord not matter what sin we commit. Now that doesn’t mean that we should go out and commit sin but in Rom 8:1 Paul wrote “There is therefore NOW no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.” No sin a believer can commit past, present, or future can be held against him, since the penalty was paid by Christ and righteousness was imputed to the believer. And no sin will ever reverse this divine legal decision.
Not quite sure what you are talking about in Matt 25:31 but the writer in this passage is talking to believers - sheep and non believers - goats not eternal judgement for not doing charitable work for everyone.
being born again doesnt mean you don’t have to be purified of the effects of your sins before you get into Heavne… sin is sin and no matter who the perpetrator is… the stain of sin has to GO (be cleansed) before yuou can enter Heaven… and mortal sins must be repented of if one is to even be able to enter purgatory…

no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus… To be totally IN Christ Jesus is to be in His Presence, which is tangibly experienced in the RCC & available 24/7…

when i am There, I feel that Jesus is making me ready for heaven… If i thought i was already ready for hevaen, i wouldn’t go There… well, i would because i like being There for other reasons as well… .but anyhow…

Jesus said that many will attempt to enter heaven but won’t be strong enough (Lk 13:24)

he said even those who do “mighty deeds” will not enter heaven, even things like casting out demons… :eek: Jesus said some scary things…

he literally wnted to scare the h-- out of us… seriously…

God is perfectly holy… If we don’t die to all our sin… we will have to live with those sins (and the devil, etc) in Hell…

or long stays in Purgatory…
 
1 Corinthians 9: 27 “But I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway.”
 
Would anyone care to critique this? Do you have any serious problems with anything contained in the title? Why or why not?
In the title? The quote is from 1 St.Peter 1:1-25 ?
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers dispersed through Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect, 2 According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, unto the sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you and peace be multiplied. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy hath regenerated us unto a lively hope, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 Unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that can not fade, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who, by the power of God, are kept by faith unto salvation, ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 Wherein you shall greatly rejoice, if now you must be for a little time made sorrowful in divers temptations: 7 That the trial of your faith (much more precious than gold which is tried by the fire) may be found unto praise and glory and honour at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 8 Whom having not seen, you love: in whom also now, though you see him not, you believe: and believing shall rejoice with joy unspeakable and glorified; 9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. 10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and diligently searched, who prophesied of the grace to come in you…

16 …Because it is written: You shall be holy, for I am holy. 17 And if you invoke as Father him who, without respect of persons, judgeth according to every one’s work: converse in fear during the time of your sojourning here. 18 Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things as gold or silver, from your vain conversation of the tradition of your fathers: 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb unspotted and undefiled, 20 Foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but manifested in the last times for you,
 
Matt, 7:21-23

**“Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.” **
 
Distracted has declined to read post 105…
i read it a long time ago… just didn’t make sense & didn’t seem to answer my Post 67… (which i guess it wouldn’t if i don’t even understand it but what i THINK you may be saying doesn’t answer my questions or comments… You can’t answer them because there is no answer for absolute truth (either that or [and/or] you answered in another post but… uh, i barely have time to address responses to my own posts…)
1 Corinthians 1. Divisions in the church. Whose name were you baptized into? I’m willing to bet it was the same name I was baptized into. I’m also willing to bet it wasn’t a priest, a pope, Peter, Paul, or Mary. Are you trying to jack the thread and take it as far off topic as possible? Church authority is not on topic at all for this thread. I think you’re doing this because you want to antagonize me, and this is one of your favorite ways of doing so.
the Church doesn’t teach that Mary or the saints are on the sane “level” as Christ… You don’t know Catholicsm… Ever taken an RCIA class?? I somehow doubt it…
Who EVER said “the body of believers” means “just Whoever claims to be a Christian?” I’ll tell you who: No one. It’s the kind of thing that no one ever says; it’s only attributed to people in ways that range from silly to disingenuous to deceitful.
i have heard many people say this…
 
Matt, 7:21-23

**“Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.” **
and this one:

“many will attempt to enter [Heaven] but will not be strong enough.” (Lk 13:23)
 
Matthew 25:31-46:

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, ***I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ ***
37"Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40"The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

41***"Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44"They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45"He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ ***
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

So where does Jesus say that if you are “born-again” this passage does not apply to you??
 
I love your “new Gospel”!!! Where did you get it? It sounds so much easier to follow. Shoot, you don’t have to do a thing!
I got it straight from the Word of God not by some silly council or tradition. Ouch
 
being born again doesnt mean you don’t have to be purified of the effects of your sins before you get into Heavne… sin is sin and no matter who the perpetrator is… the stain of sin has to GO (be cleansed) before yuou can enter Heaven… and mortal sins must be repented of if one is to even be able to enter purgatory…

no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus… To be totally IN Christ Jesus is to be in His Presence, which is tangibly experienced in the RCC & available 24/7…

when i am There, I feel that Jesus is making me ready for heaven… If i thought i was already ready for hevaen, i wouldn’t go There… well, i would because i like being There for other reasons as well… .but anyhow…

Jesus said that many will attempt to enter heaven but won’t be strong enough (Lk 13:24)

he said even those who do “mighty deeds” will not enter heaven, even things like casting out demons… :eek: Jesus said some scary things…

he literally wnted to scare the h-- out of us… seriously…

God is perfectly holy… If we don’t die to all our sin… we will have to live with those sins (and the devil, etc) in Hell…

or long stays in Purgatory…
Hey brother the arguement is not with me its with Christ. Its His Words that you have a problem with. Again no such thing as purgatory.
 
I got it straight from the Word of God not by some silly council or tradition. Ouch
Well the “silly” Catholic church gave you your bible. If it weren’t for the Roman Pontiff at the time, you wouldn’t have one!
 
Regarding post 105…
i read it a long time ago… just didn’t make sense & didn’t seem to answer my Post 67… (which i guess it wouldn’t if i don’t even understand it but what i THINK you may be saying doesn’t answer my questions or comments…
I answered it. I’m doing all I can over here. Ask more questions if you want. I’ll explain it again if you like.
You can’t answer them because there is no answer for absolute truth
You’re silly. I’m giving answers. You might not agree with them. You might think I’m wrong. That doesn’t mean my answers don’t exist. If that’s the impression you’re getting, perhaps you need to open your eyes.

And now going back to “divisions in the church”…
the Church doesn’t teach that Mary or the saints are on the sane “level” as Christ… You don’t know Catholicsm… Ever taken an RCIA class?? I somehow doubt it…
I wasn’t responding to the official teaching of Catholicism. I was responding to a person with the handle “distracted” who said this on a CAF message board:

“he didn’t comment on how “the body of belivers” may mean more than just Whoever claims to be a Christian… that being a christian may involve following Christ’s representatives on EArth (priests, pope…)”

In that post, you suggested that the criteria for being a Christian may involve following Christ’s representatives on Earth (priests, pope…) You said that, ok? I responded to that. I talked about “divisions in the church” as they are dealt with in 1 Corinthians. Christians were divided among themselves, following different people that you might refer to as “Christ’s representatives on Earth.” This included individuals like Peter (who you call the first pope) and Paul; Apollos is also listed. (Paul and Apollos are actually the main two guys…Peter is a bit of an afterthought). 1 Corinthians tells us we are not supposed to allow divisions to occur between us based on human leadership. It says we were not baptized into any name but that of Jesus. Therefore, (merely) human leaders of the church such as priests or popes are not individuals to whom our allegiance is required. The only requirement is to know Christ and follow Him.

Put simply, being a Christian does not involve following a particular human representative on earth. Can you understand this line of argument?
i have heard many people say this…
With reference to the saying “All you have to do is claim to be a Christian and that automatically means you are.” Just so we’re clear, I believe most people who claim to be Christians actually are not. Does that dispel some of the confusion you’ve been having?

I also think you should take that little saying for a test drive. I don’t think you know the beliefs of Protestants very well, and that’s mostly because you don’t ask them. Instead, you ask Catholics (and members of the Tiber swim team) about what Protestants believe, resulting in faulty information. Do you really think an ex-Protestant is going to give you the same information as a practicing Protestant? In my experience, ex-Protestants habitually give you the most inaccurate Protestant caricature of anyone out there- and they feel that their “ex” status makes them some sort of expert. In reality, they’re the best sources for the worst misinformation available. (For starters, I haven’t met a single member of the Tiber Swim Team who can say anything accurate about the Five Solas). So talk to practicing Protestants if you want to know what Protestants really believe.

Hey, guess what? You’re talking to one right now. So instead of habitually ignoring what I say and attributing faulty information to your idea of what I believe, how about you just ask me and learn something?
 
You’re silly.
i think it is silly to call someone silly… another word that comes to mind: childish… but whatever… I have to forgive you or i will go to Hell… 😃
. I talked about “divisions in the church” as they are dealt with in 1 Corinthians. Christians were divided among themselves, following different people that you might refer to as “Christ’s representatives on Earth.” This included individuals like Peter (who you call the first pope) and Paul; Apollos is also listed. (Paul and Apollos are actually the main two guys…Peter is a bit of an afterthought).
my point was that the Church is more than simply Whoever Calls Himself Christian. As you say yourself, not everyone who says he’s Crhistian is… But that’s not the main point i was trying to make… The Church is a city on a hill… to be seen by the entire world… The Church is infallible… It has to be… if we are to trust it and follow it… God does not establish fallible churches on earth… Man did that… starting with Martin Luther… All but the Original Church are man-made… (which is why i would reject them if no other apparent reason existed)…
being a Christian does not involve following a particular human representative on earth. Can you understand this line of argument?
never said it did… I follow Jesus Christ… as he is manifested through the ONe True Church He established… headed by the Vicar of Christ, the pope. I can’t trust myself, i cn’at trust others… but i can trust Jesus and His Church…
I don’t think you know the beliefs of Protestants very well, and that’s mostly because you don’t ask them.
I’ve been in a lot of protestn churches… I know a little about virtually all of them. But i don’t study those religions because … well, for one its not in my job description… 😃 but mostly, i don’t have to because i have found the Truth…
stead, you ask Catholics (and members of the Tiber swim team) about what Protestants believe, resulting in faulty information. Do you really think an ex-Protestant is going to give you the same information as a practicing Protestant?
this doesn’t matter in light of what i just said…
ex-Protestants habitually give you the most inaccurate Protestant caricature of anyone out there- and they feel that their “ex” status makes them some sort of expert. In reality, they’re the best sources for the worst misinformation available. (For starters, I haven’t met a single member of the Tiber Swim Team who can say anything accurate about the Five Solas). So talk to practicing Protestants if you want to know what Protestants really believe.
again , doesn’t matter because i am a dyed in the wool Catholic. I was baptized as a baby and when i was very young, had a born-again experience… then for yrs, i didn’t go to any church regularly… fell away from Christ but not form believing in Him… just form being intimate with Him… Anyway… it was the Roman Catholic Church that made me a devout, practing Christian… (first through the rosary… then Mass, etc… then i studied the Catholic faith… BIG eye-opener… )
Hey, guess what? You’re talking to one right now. So instead of habitually ignoring what I say and attributing faulty information to your idea of what I believe, how about you just ask me and learn something?
you should not presume what people know or don’t know… seeing as how you don’t know me from Adam (or Eve, as the case may be)… 😃

i have no interest in learning anything that is not the absolute, entire truth about God and Christ and the Church… Other “churches” are only right insofar as they do not disagree w/ the Catholic Church… I’ll give them credit for attempting to follow Christ… (even though not all really do… some are far too liberal to be accused of that…)
 
In reality- not my opinion- the entirety of the verse says this:

"an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Thanks.
that’s for those who do everything Jesus says…

which would seem to include belonging to the Church He established… not the one(s) man established… which number about 33,000 and counting…
 
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again, there is no argument for absolute, objective truth…

(otherwise known as Jesus Christ… and the truth He brings us through His Church)

🙂
 
That’s a poor translation. That isn’t what the Bible actually says.
Answer my question. As a Protestant, just exactly what are you protesting Because that’s what it means, to P-r-o-t-e-s-t.
 
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