Jehovah's witnesses still dont have an accurate translation?

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hosemonkey said:
I could not pass this one up. I seriously doubt that you read and compared 50+ bibles and compared them line by line. If you had seriously done this, I doubt that you would have arrived at the twisted view of Christianity that you possess. That or your distorted perception was influenced by the Watchtower’s bogus theology. Either way, it appears that you have wasted your time.
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Yes, but he has decided not to waste time here. Time spent hearing the truth will lead to eventual acceptance of the truth. Took me 35 years, and I’m afraid I won’t have that luxury with BibleSteve. He is inquisitive enough that the truth (which we did not invent, twist or re-write but rather, pass on) has an appeal to him. Enough exposure to Christian truth will lead him home.

The beauty is that God tricked satan into making missionaries of those with false teachings. Thus, they must expose themselves to the truth in their attempts to mislead. Their house of cards collapses when the truth of the Holy Spirit breathes on it.
 
TraditionalCath said:
it could be true, it could be that he has spent the many years he has been in the org looking up all translations,
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But, line for line? Comparing? Analyzing? This sounds like a master’s thesis! Just reading the same bible 50 times cover-to-cover would take considerable time. I don’t even know of any Evangelicals who have that rabid of a devotion to scripture. Learning the original languages and reading ancient translations would be much quicker and more accurate. Charitiibly, I guess I am saying there’s a fudge factor in use here.
 
po18guy said:
But, line for line? Comparing? Analyzing? This sounds like a master’s thesis! Just reading the same bible 50 times cover-to-cover would take considerable time. I don’t even know of any Evangelicals who have that rabid of a devotion to scripture. Learning the original languages and reading ancient translations would be much quicker and more accurate. Charitiibly, I guess I am saying there’s a fudge factor in use here.
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rather than me saying he is exaggerating, i prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.steve very well could have read all of it many times over. its not impossible.
 
po18guy said:
Yes, but he has decided not to waste time here. Time spent hearing the truth will lead to eventual acceptance of the truth. Took me 35 years, and I’m afraid I won’t have that luxury with BibleSteve. He is inquisitive enough that the truth (which we did not invent, twist or re-write but rather, pass on) has an appeal to him. Enough exposure to Christian truth will lead him home.

The beauty is that God tricked satan into making missionaries of those with false teachings. Thus, they must expose themselves to the truth in their attempts to mislead. Their house of cards collapses when the truth of the Holy Spirit breathes on it.
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God does not need to trick satan. He is God, He does not trick.
 
Here you go:

Go to all the bookstores in town and buy up each and every translation they sell.

Next, go to multiple Christian bookstores and buy up all their translations.

Next, buy several of the Parallel Bibles… There a 26-in-1, an 8-in-1, and several 4-in-1.

Now, buy up multiple Hebrew and Greek Interlinears.

Supplement your collection with Various Word Dictionaries, Lexicons, and Concordances, and Bible Commentaries from multiple Catholic and Protestant sources.

Designate a “Bible Reading” room in your house. Lay out all the Bibles next to each other over the entire floor.

Open them all to the same page and start checking. Go verse by verse, checking word for word to see for yourself the amount of variation between translations and versions. Spend 8 hours a day for a year doing this.

You will soon realize there isn’t that much translation variation on issues of core doctrine. However, you begin to see how certain translations are inconsistent in translating certain words. So, move on to investigate this…

Now, pick a list of key words around a particular topic like: Hell, Gehenna, grave, Sheol, death. Go through the hundreds of occurrences in your concordances and check each and every translation laying out across the floor.

Make a spreadsheet to show how each Hebrew and Greek word is translated in each of the translations.

Now, repeat the process with multiple topics: Soul, Spirit, Anointed, Holy Spirit/Ghost, Kingdom, Heaven, God, Jehovah, Son, Christ.

Select each word and go through the Bible Commentaries… see how each religion discusses and analyses it. Look up all the scriptures they point to and double check against the other Commentaries and the 50+ translations.

By now, you’ll have a pretty good idea of what the Bible is really saying.

Now, buy some “Comparative Religion” books to see what all the religions are teaching. Compare their doctrine against what the Bible actually says. You’ll begin to notice there is a difference. Many doctrines and beliefs are not to be found in the Bible.

Go and visit each and every church in your community. Talk with the Minister/Pastor/Priest. Ask questions about their respect for Scripture, how they understand key scriptures, what are the values that are important to them, etc.

Now, you are ready to begin deciding which group has the truth and who you’d like to associate with.
 
BibleSteve said:
Here you go:
Designate a “Bible Reading” room in your house. Lay out all the Bibles next to each other over the entire floor.

Open them all to the same page and start checking. Go verse by verse, checking word for word to see for yourself the amount of variation between translations and versions. Spend 8 hours a day for a year doing this.
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Is this what you did or is this your idea of how it could be done?
 
AgnosTheist said:
^ Thats a pretty unrealistic advise, Steve. 🙂
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Put it this way, once you’ve done this (as I have), it becomes rather amusing when people want charge me with not thinking for myself, or not doing research, or being fooled, etc.
 
BibleSteve said:
The vast majority of Bible readers are completly unaware that dozens of translators see John 1:1 differently. 50+ translations say something different than “The Word was God”.

It’s truly a shame that no one cares and they just go along believing what they’ve been told.

In my opinion, doing deep research on both sides of the questions is critical. I’ve read dozen’s of books on the Trinity because I’m truly interested in understanding the truth.

In my opinion, most Christians are on autopilot, almost hypnotized into believing whatever they are told by their church without any independant research.

Pick up Debuhn’s book… It’s really a good read. You don’t have to agree with it, just expand your knowledge base.

He brings out amazing and interesting points.
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I’d put my copy of Debuhn’s book along with NWT and Book of Mormon in “Humor” section of my Library:D I use several Bibles and comparing I mean really studying and comparing takes a lot of time-For instance I’m doing A Bible Study on the Book of Proverbs-I’ve already done a lot of studying and comparing during the summer. Since I have a week before my first lecture on Proverbs I’ll be comparing all the Bibles I have and believe me a full week for a small portion of Proverbs is not enough. the point is it takes a really large amount of time to really study and compare.And Fifty plus- nigh on to impossible;)
 
BibleSteve said:
Here you go:

Go to all the bookstores in town and buy up each and every translation they sell.

Next, go to multiple Christian bookstores and buy up all their translations.

Next, buy several of the Parallel Bibles… There a 26-in-1, an 8-in-1, and several 4-in-1.

Now, buy up multiple Hebrew and Greek Interlinears.

Supplement your collection with Various Word Dictionaries, Lexicons, and Concordances, and Bible Commentaries from multiple Catholic and Protestant sources.

Designate a “Bible Reading” room in your house. Lay out all the Bibles next to each other over the entire floor.

Open them all to the same page and start checking. Go verse by verse, checking word for word to see for yourself the amount of variation between translations and versions. Spend 8 hours a day for a year doing this.

You will soon realize there isn’t that much translation variation on issues of core doctrine. However, you begin to see how certain translations are inconsistent in translating certain words. So, move on to investigate this…

Now, pick a list of key words around a particular topic like: Hell, Gehenna, grave, Sheol, death. Go through the hundreds of occurrences in your concordances and check each and every translation laying out across the floor.

Make a spreadsheet to show how each Hebrew and Greek word is translated in each of the translations.

Now, repeat the process with multiple topics: Soul, Spirit, Anointed, Holy Spirit/Ghost, Kingdom, Heaven, God, Jehovah, Son, Christ.

Select each word and go through the Bible Commentaries… see how each religion discusses and analyses it. Look up all the scriptures they point to and double check against the other Commentaries and the 50+ translations.

By now, you’ll have a pretty good idea of what the Bible is really saying.

Now, buy some “Comparative Religion” books to see what all the religions are teaching. Compare their doctrine against what the Bible actually says. You’ll begin to notice there is a difference. Many doctrines and beliefs are not to be found in the Bible.

Go and visit each and every church in your community. Talk with the Minister/Pastor/Priest. Ask questions about their respect for Scripture, how they understand key scriptures, what are the values that are important to them, etc.

Now, you are ready to begin deciding which group has the truth and who you’d like to associate with.
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You must have had a great deal of time on your hands. I still cannot believe that after so much effort, you came up with a loser religion like the JWs. Maybe you need to do it all over again and open up the books this time.😃
 
BibleSteve said:
Put it this way, once you’ve done this (as I have), it becomes rather amusing when people want charge me with not thinking for myself, or not doing research, or being fooled, etc.
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Steve, we have been too hard on you. I am sorry for being mean. But I am thinking it is your presentation. Instead of coming off like the ‘Company Man’ try making it personal…I believe this way because I think it makes sense…instead of quoting hated verse straight from the Watchtower’s pubs.

If YOU don’t believe in the trinity, tell us WHY YOU DON’T BELIEVE, not why you do. See what I mean? You are coming at us from the wrong direction. Start on our field instead of always in your own back yard. We don’t care what the Watchtower says–it is an insult to quote it to us. We are not especially concerned if it can’t be found in the Bible…but if you have an issue with any Catholic teaching start with the Catechism.

Any one can be proved wrong by someone elses books, and proved right by their own. Tell us what STEVE believes and why STEVE does not believe the way we do. Before anyone can see the need to change beliefs and acknowledge someone else is correct they have to be proven wrong. You can’t prove a CATHOLIC wrong quoting a JW BIBLE and WATCHTOWER LITERATURE.

Prove us wrong. But use the Catechism. Use the RSV-CE or the Jerusalem Bible. The Douay-Rheims. Even the New American Catholic Bible.

Understand?

PS addendum:
the more I think about it the more I think it is a good idea for all JWs to have a copy of the Catechism. I could have used it when I pioneered. seriously—get a catechism Steve and if you have one, learn to use it. It gives the definitive Catholic view of everything there is. If you want to talk to Catholics you need to talk to us from our point of view before you can earn respect for your own.
 
Ravyn_Guiliani said:
Steve, we have been too hard on you. I am sorry for being mean. But I am thinking it is your presentation. Instead of coming off like the ‘Company Man’ try making it personal…I believe this way because I think it makes sense…instead of quoting hated verse straight from the Watchtower’s pubs.

If YOU don’t believe in the trinity, tell us WHY YOU DON’T BELIEVE, not why you do. See what I mean? You are coming at us from the wrong direction. Start on our field instead of always in your own back yard. We don’t care what the Watchtower says–it is an insult to quote it to us. We are not especially concerned if it can’t be found in the Bible…but if you have an issue with any Catholic teaching start with the Catechism.

Any one can be proved wrong by someone elses books, and proved right by their own. Tell us what STEVE believes and why STEVE does not believe the way we do. Before anyone can see the need to change beliefs and acknowledge someone else is correct they have to be proven wrong. You can’t prove a CATHOLIC wrong quoting a JW BIBLE and WATCHTOWER LITERATURE.

Prove us wrong. But use the Catechism. Use the RSV-CE or the Jerusalem Bible. The Douay-Rheims. Even the New American Catholic Bible.

Understand?
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Good post.👍
 
How much money did you have to spend on all those bibles Bible Steve?
I have to say I have never heard of anyone do what you just described, ever.

If my husband tried to pull a stunt like that I would leave him. He has to work and spend time with his family and of course, other responsibilities in the home, and if he even tried to do something for 8 hours a day that took up that kind of floor space and money spent on such an activity in addition to that, not only would I leave him but I think I would have him evaluated by a mental health professional.
 
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