Jericho March in Washington DC. December 12 and "Stop the Steal"

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Freddy said:
What you can tell me is that someone has some evidence of fraud somewhere that a court will accept.
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Sometimes courts are corrupted, and refuse to hear cases.
Freddy said:
What you can tell me is that a depressingly large propostion of Americans will believe anything that someone like Trump will tell them. With no evidence to back it up.
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Don’t give two shillings about Trump’s opinion on anything, and my opinion about events in America right now have nothing to do with anything Trump’s said (especially since I studiously ignore whatever he says; find him irritating to listen to, and have since before he got elected in 2016).
Freddy said:
What you can tell me is that the GOP has shown a shameful lack of integrity during this whole depressing farce.
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Mm, mostly agree, yeah. To the degree that most of the GOP seems willing to let systematic corruption slide, and not fight against it.
Freddy said:
What you can tell me is that you wish Biden well in helping your country dig itself out of this pandemic hell hole you have got yourself into.
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Not my country, and I think that if Biden actually had much say in the matter, he might make their pandemic situation worse… but realistically I don’t think the office of president has that much effect, and I think he’ll designate others to make most choices, so I think his country will remain roughly in the same hole that most of our countries are in, and come out of the hole at roughly the same pace that most of our countries do.
Freddy said:
What you can’t tell me is that if over fifty court cases has been thrown out for lack of evidence that the election was fraudulent.
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Wheeee though, I’ll tell you exactly that!

What, do you trust elections in every country around the world, if their courts fail to overturn them? Do you not understand the notion of systemic corruption that affects the courts? Or do you think the USA has magical fairytale protections that prevent systemic corruption ever actually taking over there?
 
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MNathaniel said:
What, do you trust elections in every country around the world, if their courts fail to overturn them? Do you not understand the notion of systemic corruption that affects the courts? Or do you think the USA has magical fairytale protections that prevent systemic corruption ever actually taking over there?
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It wasn’t the courts’ responsibility to overturn the election. Over fifty of them simply had to decide if Trump’s legal team were presenting valid evidence of fraud in individual cases. And these proceedings aren’t held in camera. We can see what’s going on. We have access to what was presented. This is justice seen to be done. So I have every confidence in the process.

And what has been presented as ‘evidence’ has been found to be worthless. In over 50 cases. So there is no other conclusion to be made. There was no evidence. There was no fraud. Trump lost. Biden won. This is the democratic process. And Trump is undermining it by lying through his teeth. He is beneath contempt.
 
Freddy said:
It wasn’t the courts’ responsibility to overturn the election. Over fifty of them simply had to decide if Trump’s legal team were presenting valid evidence of fraud in individual cases. And these proceedings aren’t held in camera. We can see what’s going on. We have access to what was presented. This is justice seen to be done. So I have every confidence in the process.

And what has been presented as ‘evidence’ has been found to be worthless. In over 50 cases. So there is no other conclusion to be made . There was no evidence. There was no fraud. Trump lost. Biden won. This is the democratic process. And Trump is undermining it by lying through his teeth. He is beneath contempt.
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I’m not going to read this. I’m not telling you that to be rude, just to let you know so that you don’t use up more of your time (which is valuable) trying to engage me on the topic. I’m simply not interested in a political debate with a stranger, when I don’t think we’re even talking about the same thing (so far nothing you’ve said resonates with anything I perceive myself to be saying), probably aren’t referring back to the same starting information (so far everything you’ve said has suggested you’re relying on different starting information than I am), and no real good would even come of persuading each other of our points anyway. Neither of us lives in the relevant country.

Have a nice night though.
 
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It has gone from sad to dangerous. There has been a lot of violence tonight. With all the rhetoric endorsing violence and disobedience, this should not be surprising that some will take it to heart. Police will, of course, continue to be hurt as we see also the hypocrisy that this sect is pro-law enforcement. They are bad hombres. I am sure some are good people.
 
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  I'm extremely proud of the United States Supreme Court with it's majority Conservative Republican justices. 6 were chosen by Republican Presidents, 3 of which by President Donald J. Trump himself. I applaud their wisdom when they unanimously rejected the Texas' and 18 other states attempt to overturn a democratic election.
 I had been wary of President Trump's picks, but in hindsight, I will admit that my unbelief was unfounded. His handpicked conservative justices upheld the Constitution and the rule of law. President Trump is a wise man, and am thankful that he chose justices who are strict constitutionalists.
 
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tomarin said:
Don’t worry. It will eventually sink in that he lost fair and square.
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It has been over a month and the President and his allies has managed to keep this going. People have filed briefs with the Supreme Court on behalf of states that don’t technically exist.
People keep adding fuel to this fire and there are a lot of paranoid extremists that are heavily armed out there. It is extraordinarily irresponsible.
 
My favorite part was when hundreds of MAGA’s yelled: “Destroy the GOP!” over and over. Bless their hearts
 
MNathaniel said:
but the way this went down means I have completely lost faith in the American courts and media.
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“The way it all went down” is exactly like every other election. The courts have gotten it right.

There is no fraud. No conspiracy. No vote changing computer program.

NOTHING.

What we do have are people who do not understand how elections are run. And people with a partisan agenda. And nut jobs looking for their 5 minutes of fame. And a president with an undiagnosed mental illness who has delusions of grandeur and malignant narcissistic aggression.
MNathaniel said:
They’ve proven themselves sham-courts
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This is completely ridiculous. The exact opposite has occurred. You must be on a steady diet of propaganda yourself to believe this.

Please explain why you believe there was something wrong with the election. Please explain exactly how the courts have been “shams”.
 
Canvas said:
filed briefs with the Supreme Court on behalf of states that don’t technically exist.
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That don’t ACTUALLY exist. No “technically” about it.

Nutter butters looking for their 5 minutes.

And— the grift continues on the part of the Fleecer In Chief.
 
MNathaniel said:
Sometimes courts are corrupted, and refuse to hear cases.
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Oh yes, 56 different state and federal courts— with Trump’s own appointees— along with multiple Republican governors, Republican Secretaries of State, Republican election officials, AND the Supreme Court:

They are all in on it. They are all corrupt.

THIS IS DELUSIONAL.
MNathaniel said:
Or do you think the USA has magical fairytale protections that prevent systemic corruption ever actually taking over there?
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Actually, it has many. Unlike many other countries, the states truly are independent in elections. From each other and from the federal government.

And judges are appointed or elected at the state level and are not beholden to the federal government. Federal judges aren’t beholden to the states, or anyone really.

Systemic corruption and fraud across multiple states would be ridiculously difficult.
 
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1ke said:
Oh yes, 56 different state and federal courts— with Trump’s own appointees— along with multiple Republican governors, Republican Secretaries of State, Republican election officials, AND the Supreme Court:

They are all in on it. They are all corrupt.

THIS IS DELUSIONAL.
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Not to mention all the state legislatures – including many Republicans – who had to be in on it. Plus the thousands of local election officials – and many of them are also Republicans.
I have long maintained that the true TDS is found in Trump’s supporters. The past few weeks have proven me absolutely right.
And no, that doesn’t make me happy. It’s very sad to see so many being taken by a grifter.
 
It is so sad.

The people, many of my friends included, are going to be so disillusioned when Trump doesn’t magically win.

The good news is, it sounds like the GOP is on the rocks, and that needed to happen. The Trump collaborators in Congress have shown how craven they are, and thus have to go. My own senator, Ron Johnson, included. And the far right populist nationalists need to be defeated.

I hope something new arises from the ashes, better than before. Parties have risen and fallen before, maybe it’s time. And the Democrats aren’t immune either. The far left wing may pull it apart too. I’d like to see a coalition of center left Dems and center right Republicans come together.
 
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I guess you also have to include the I guess you also have to include the CIA in there. At least according to the Kraken whisperer.
 
1ke said:
I guess you also have to include the I guess you also have to include the CIA in there. At least according to the Kraken whisperer.
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And the FBI.

Here’s what I see happening. Trump will not concede. He will not attend the inauguration. He will announce on the same day that he’ll be running in 2024. He will tear the GOP apart over the net 12 months but his supporters will drift away leaving only the hard core, rusted on far right. He will then be convicted of tax fraud when his tax details are released. The Dems will romp home in 2024.
 
Beryllos said:
I say Lock Him Up.
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First Americans tell us that America is a special country, the leader of the free world, and a shining example of democracy. Then Americans tell us that their President should be locked up? Isn’t that what happens in banana republics?
 
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