Jessa Duggar Instagram Post Equating Holocaust and Abortion Causes Stir

[pnewton]

It’s an apt comparison.

It is also an accurate word. The capitalized version is specific to the Jews killed in WWII. It is totally accurate to say that the Japanese of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were killed in a nuclear holocaust. It is perfectly accurate to call abortion the abortion holocaust.

If this is offensive, then I will offend. The true offense is the horror of a mother murdering her child. It is bloody and abhorrent. Our legal lackadaisical attitude toward this atrocity is the root of offense.

I will be happen to discontinue the use of the word when abortion either becomes illegal or social repugnant.

 

[SuperLuigi]

It is also to make sure as many abortions as possible take place.

ADL Welcomes Supreme Court Decision Against Nebraska Abortion Law

ADL: Supreme Court Deals “Setback” to Women’s Access to Reproductive Health Services in Massachusetts

ADL to Supreme Court: Buffer Zones Protect Public Safety

These are just a few of the ADL’s press releases issued in support of “reproductive rights” (IOW, abortion).

When they object to the abortion holocaust, that must be kept in mind.

Disturbing to say the least.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[pnewton]

It is also to make sure as many abortions as possible take place.

ADL Welcomes Supreme Court Decision Against Nebraska Abortion Law

ADL: Supreme Court Deals “Setback” to Women’s Access to Reproductive Health Services in Massachusetts

ADL to Supreme Court: Buffer Zones Protect Public Safety

These are just a few of the ADL’s press releases issued in support of “reproductive rights” (IOW, abortion).

When they object to the abortion holocaust, that must be kept in mind.

Wow! I did not know that. Then I will go further. The ADL has taken on the role of those Germans that stood by while millions were sent to their death. Again, if this offends, simply stand up against the current murder of innocents.

 

[zz912]

When you consider that the ADL is in the forefront of groups promoting abortion, their objections to others using the word “holocaust” to describe abortion should only be regarded as hypocritical tripe.

That is why they are so upset. They are having to face their own support for a similar slaughter of innnocent humans. They want to silence this type of comparison so that people don’t realize what happens in abortion and begin to reject it as any normal person would.

 

[Path_Finder]

It is also to make sure as many abortions as possible take place.

ADL Welcomes Supreme Court Decision Against Nebraska Abortion Law

ADL: Supreme Court Deals “Setback” to Women’s Access to Reproductive Health Services in Massachusetts

ADL to Supreme Court: Buffer Zones Protect Public Safety

These are just a few of the ADL’s press releases issued in support of “reproductive rights” (IOW, abortion).

When they object to the abortion holocaust, that must be kept in mind.

Thank you for this.

More typical Democratic Party voters.

 

[estesbob]

The problem is this plays into progressive hands because they love to distract and derail the subject.

Agreed. The primary tactic of those to support abortion when confronted with the abject evil of what it is they support is to change the subject . When we use terms like Holocaust or murder when talking about abortion the discussion quickly changes to a semantics argument .

 

[Exiled_Child]

The word “holocaust” is *not *used to describe the Armenian genocide, nor the Holodomor. It’s not used to describe any other genocide except by those who use it to describe abortion. That says something, I think. Its definition is ancient but it refers to a sacrificial death by fire. First, there’s no fire involved in abortion (which is why in my OP I said it makes no sense denotatively). Second, abortion is not sacrificial. Neither was the Holocaust (capital H), which is why the term Shoah is often used by Jews instead. The word itself (aside from its connotations) is not a reasonable term to describe what happens to abortion victims. As for one group “owning” the term (which you deem “absurd”), I would think that what victims and survivors went through gives them some leeway. I’m not trying to get fractious here but using the descriptor “absurd” to describe the reactions of people who, without exception, were marked for death seems…unflattering to all here.

Not long ago, I was at a Holocaust-themed conference with a woman who was the director of her local JCC. She’d been asked by the local bishop to craft remarks for him to use at the unveiling of a Holocaust memorial in the community. She did so and then attended the ceremony. She was shocked to find that the bishop not only disregarded her comments entirely (which of course was his right) but that he also spun the entire event into an “abortion holocaust” theme. In attendance were aging survivors of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Majdanek. Families of those who died in the Holocaust were present. All were horrified. Again, I’m pro-life and I definitely don’t disparage the movement. I’m simply noting that this comparison is in bad taste. That alone should put people off of it. It should make people wonder whether they’re exhibiting Christian charity when using such an analogy.

This is an interesting link that documents some of the recorded uses of the word “holocaust,” including Churchill’s description of the Armenian events.
berkeleyinternet.com/holocaust/
This is just another article that I found informative and well written.
independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-forgotten-holocaust-463306.html
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-479143/The-forgotten-Holocaust-The-Armenian-massacre-inspired-Hitler.html
The word has also been used to describe the fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo, the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Pol Pot’s regime in Cambodia, Mao’s murder of 60+ million people in China, as well as what Japan did to China in WWII, which numerically was even worse than what the Nazis did in Europe. None of this is in any way minimizing the Nazi holocaust, I just don’t think it should be a copyrighted word as though it were describing some kind of product. Humans have been doing this to each other since the dawn of recorded history.

By the way, I really hope I don’t come across sounding harsh or anything. I view this purely as semantics, and I think we agree that there needs to be some sort of official consensus on this words definition and usage, because it does a lot of confusion and misunderstanding.

 

[Exiled_Child]

When you consider that the ADL is in the forefront of groups promoting abortion, their objections to others using the word “holocaust” to describe abortion should only be regarded as hypocritical tripe.

What I wish people understood is that the ADL is only representative of the ADL. The idea that a crank like Foxman is representative of the Jewish people is about as accurate as saying that Al Sharpton represents all American blacks, or David Duke represents all American whites. Each of those three men have a small band of followers, but they’re really the lunatic fringe. People should recognize them as crazy.

 

[pnewton]

This is an interesting link that documents some of the recorded uses of the word “holocaust,” including Churchill’s description of the Armenian events.
berkeleyinternet.com/holocaust/
This is just another article that I found informative and well written.

I had another thought. If ISIS advanced into Israel and was murdering people there, does anyone really think they would object to the use of the word “holocaust”? Thanks to* gnjsdad* I am convinced it is not really the use of the word they object to but the use of the word to address a crime in which their hands are bloody.

 

[Beautiful]

“Have some respect for the children and grandchildren of survivors,” jonifshr112 commented.

“As the granddaughter of Holocaust Survivors and a practicing Christian I am offended by your comments,” added kebula99.

My feelings…:twocents:
I could be wrong.
Jews tend to hold the Holocaust in their own little misery bag apart from everyone else’s misery. I’m not condemning the whole of them…just saying that at some point you gotta’ grow up and have a collective and connected understanding of human misery.

Good for Jessa Duggar and anyone else willing to voice public condemnation of abortions.

 

[estesbob]

I think context us everything. I had the same thoughts after visiting the Holocaust museum in DC-while outraged and saddened what I saw I couldn’t help but think that within a few blocks of the Museum Govt sanctioned slaughter of children was taking place.

 

[Cider]

It’s an apt comparison.

I agree. Does the fact that I have family ( by marriage) that were killed by the Nazi’s somehow make my opinion more important? No it doesn’t.

 

[estesbob]

I made the mistake of reading the comments to the Salon.com story. Here is a representative sample:

Really? Does any sort of sanity play into this at all? They had 19 children… Does anyone with a brain at all do that? Nope! Just think what that has done other body. I could not imagine that being healthy for anything. I mean we spay our dogs and cats to prevent breeding like this. Nothing they do is rational… For instance who puts on a long dress to swim? Especially with ones own family. That in itself is a tish scary! are they afraid of incest? 19 kids in this day and age, he’ll at any time. That is just purely sick.
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[J_Peterson]

I made the mistake of reading the comments to the Salon.com story. Here is a representative sample:

Really? Does any sort of sanity play into this at all? They had 19 children… Does anyone with a brain at all do that? Nope! Just think what that has done other body. I could not imagine that being healthy for anything. I mean we spay our dogs and cats to prevent breeding like this. Nothing they do is rational… For instance who puts on a long dress to swim? Especially with ones own family. That in itself is a tish scary! are they afraid of incest? 19 kids in this day and age, he’ll at any time. That is just purely sick.
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But yet the mantra that has been with us for as long as I can remember is “it’s my body I’ll do what I want”. Apparently that only applies to getting abortions and not to having a bunch of children.

 

[DeniseNY]

But yet the mantra that has been with us for as long as I can remember is “it’s my body I’ll do what I want”. Apparently that only applies to getting abortions and not to having a bunch of children.

Because the affliction a lot of liberals suffer from is that they are totally for “choice”, until the choice you make is one with which they don’t agree.

 

[ready]

The analogy is fitting. God bless you.

 

[Path_Finder]

Where I live, a few years ago, at convenience and other stores, people would sometimes see Cosmopolitan and turn it around so people couldn’t see the front of the magazine.

There is that former model, I forget her name but she has campaigned against Cosmopolitan magazine for largely having something like porn in it, there is always some bawdy headline on the cover and those who campaigned against Cosmo did well to bring attention to it because after all, their audience in part is probably aimed at those aged less than 18 years old.

This build up to this, because Cosmopolitan came out criticizing Duggar so perhaps she is on the right track.

lifenews.com/2014/10/01/cosmo-attacks-jessa-duggars-radical-deranged-extreme-pro-life-views/ (disclaimer, apparently some raunchy quotes in the article)

 

[PrincessRenae]

It’s more of a deranged comment to me because of the suffering involved. I’ve been to Auschwitz and have seen the gas chambers, the starvation rooms, the bunkers, the wall of bullet holes where people were shot point blank, and the ovens. Most abortions are done early when there is no physical concept or an ability to feel pain. Yes, lives lost are always tragic, but the victims of the Holocaust went through something entirely different, and I just don’t think the comparison in that sense bears any weight.

 

[gnjsdad]

It’s more of a deranged comment to me because of the suffering involved.I’ve been to Auschwitz and have seen the gas chambers, the starvation rooms, the bunkers, the wall of bullet holes where people were shot point blank, and the ovens. Most abortions are done early when there is no physical concept or an ability to feel pain. Yes, lives lost are always tragic, but the victims of the Holocaust went through something entirely different, and I just don’t think the comparison in that sense bears any weight.

Consciousness of pain makes an act of killing worse? If the victims of Auschwitz had all been murdered in their sleep, it would not have been as bad? I really don’t think you want to go down that road.

Beyond that, Miss Duggar’s Instagram comment is “deranged”? The comparison between the abortion holocaust and the WWII holocaust bears no weight? The inability to see the merit in the other side’s argument is something that has plagued the abortion debate since its inception. That is terribly unfortunate.

 

[estesbob]

It’s more of a deranged comment to me because of the suffering involved. I’ve been to Auschwitz and have seen the gas chambers, the starvation rooms, the bunkers, the wall of bullet holes where people were shot point blank, and the ovens. Most abortions are done early when there is no physical concept or an ability to feel pain. Yes, lives lost are always tragic, but the victims of the Holocaust went through something entirely different, and I just don’t think the comparison in that sense bears any weight.

You don’t see the irony of a Holocaust Museum sitting within blocks of a clinic where govt sanctioned killings take place on a daily basis? As I said I had the same thoughts as Duggar when I exited the Holocaust museum in DC.