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There’s a couple of threads on this already - some in the Other News forums.
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oakley408
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If one wants to destroy something the place to start is the foundation. The same for Christianity. No one should be surprised that the heathen who despise the moral restraints Christianity has had on history are ready to jump at any chance to discredit our faith. Where better to start their diabolical effort than the resurrection. Paul addresses this in 1 Cor. 15:
12Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised £Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.
Earlier in the same chapter Paul invites the agnostics of his day to check it out with eye witnesses:
3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
Note Paul’s insertion in Vs. 6…“most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep (died).” That is an open invitation to check it out with approximately 500 eye witnesses, the strongest testimony in a court of law where truth is established.
Let me put it this way…many of us were alive when the tragic assination of President Kennedy occurred. Suppose some “expert” were to suddenly say he died by a wound from a bow and arrow through the heart. Any chance that would fly in just 41 years after the President’s untimely death? Of cours not. Absurd! Why? Because enough eye witnesses are alive to totally refute the insanity of such a claim. And so it is with the testimony given by St. Paul. Much of the New Testament was written within the same duration of time frame of 40 to 50 years after the resurrection.
Don’t expect the heathen to ever give up. They will not. Some final counsel from our Lord who truly rose from the dead into an eternal body:
"18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.
Just take refuge in the truth! The Rock the asail cannot be broken.
oakley408
12Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised £Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.
Earlier in the same chapter Paul invites the agnostics of his day to check it out with eye witnesses:
3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
Note Paul’s insertion in Vs. 6…“most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep (died).” That is an open invitation to check it out with approximately 500 eye witnesses, the strongest testimony in a court of law where truth is established.
Let me put it this way…many of us were alive when the tragic assination of President Kennedy occurred. Suppose some “expert” were to suddenly say he died by a wound from a bow and arrow through the heart. Any chance that would fly in just 41 years after the President’s untimely death? Of cours not. Absurd! Why? Because enough eye witnesses are alive to totally refute the insanity of such a claim. And so it is with the testimony given by St. Paul. Much of the New Testament was written within the same duration of time frame of 40 to 50 years after the resurrection.
Don’t expect the heathen to ever give up. They will not. Some final counsel from our Lord who truly rose from the dead into an eternal body:
"18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.
Just take refuge in the truth! The Rock the asail cannot be broken.
oakley408
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mschrank
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I hope this will serve to provide a means for Christian unity!
All Christians from every denomination need to come together to fight this!
I hear that much of the background for this work comes from a book called the “Jesus Dynasty”- one that has been out for a long time and revolves around some pretty ridiculous stuff.
I guess if you don’t have faith though, any explanation is better than a miraculous one no matter how contrived.
Oh, and isn’t it interesting this is coming from hollywood again. They’ll have a flashy presentation put together with some talking heads with degrees nodding to support their claims. I can see it now.
All Christians from every denomination need to come together to fight this!
I hear that much of the background for this work comes from a book called the “Jesus Dynasty”- one that has been out for a long time and revolves around some pretty ridiculous stuff.
I guess if you don’t have faith though, any explanation is better than a miraculous one no matter how contrived.
Oh, and isn’t it interesting this is coming from hollywood again. They’ll have a flashy presentation put together with some talking heads with degrees nodding to support their claims. I can see it now.
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Nullasalus
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I’m not sure it will even be necessary. Aren’t people still worn out from the DaVinci Code controversy? Funny how the supposed faith-rocking claims of that book vanished when the movie tanked.
Honestly, I’d like to see what the fallout is after the announcement on Monday. But at a glance, I don’t think much will pan out here. The argument sounds fairly strained.
Though I do wonder how the people who claim Jesus never existed will cope.
Honestly, I’d like to see what the fallout is after the announcement on Monday. But at a glance, I don’t think much will pan out here. The argument sounds fairly strained.
Though I do wonder how the people who claim Jesus never existed will cope.
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Caesar
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There is also a site in Kashmir India/Pakhistan where (mostly Muslims) claim to have the tomb of Jesus and a set of his footprints (complete with wounds from the crucifixion). Secularists tried to use this find to claim that Jesus was a mortal man who was thought to have died on the cross but was really in a coma, woke up in the tomb, went back among his followers and then disappeared and wandered off to Kashmir where he died. (This goes along with the Muslim belief that God took Jesus off the Cross, and replaced him with Judas, under the appearance of Jesus, who then went to preach in India where he died).
These claims are nothing new.
These claims are nothing new.
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Caesar
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Remember how they were claiming a few years ago that the tomb of Jesus was found in Kashmir? And the casket of St. James, the “brother” of Jesus? And the Da Vinci Code conspiracy nonsense? And the Gospel of Judas?
This new film is just the same nonsense that Satan has been using against the Church for a long time. It is cause a sensationalist stir for a couple months (if that), but people will lose interest.
This new film is just the same nonsense that Satan has been using against the Church for a long time. It is cause a sensationalist stir for a couple months (if that), but people will lose interest.
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Genesis315
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It could be that people wrote names of saints that they had devotion to on their coffins, as well as the name of Jesus.
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Jay3gsm
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I don’t want to get to off topic, but the use of BCE and CE really, really annoys me. Why do people feel the need to do it? As far as I’m concerned, it is BC and AD. Shame on Professor Amos Kloner
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Ammonius_Saccus
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Finally absolute proof. There can no longer be any doubt. Many of us have been waiting years for this. No we longer have to engage in debate. The evidence is clear…
James Cameron is a nut.
James Cameron is a nut.
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magician
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And what if it turns out to be true? Then what?
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Nicene
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It appears catholic doctrine has been proven wrong through archeology on both the assumption of Mary and that she did indeed have other children: Mary’s Bones and Children 
Through archeological evidence, protestants have been proven right on both counts.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
Through archeological evidence, protestants have been proven right on both counts.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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LilyM
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Remember that we’re talking a couple of very common names here - there was one other Jesus (Barabbas) condemned on the very same day as Jesus of Nazareth, and a posse of other Marys watching his Crucifixion, two apostles named Jude (Judas or Judah - all the same name), John the Baptist as well as John the Evangelist, Joseph of Aramithea as well as Joseph Mary’s husband.It appears catholic doctrine has been proven wrong through archeology on both the assumption of Mary and that she did indeed have other children: Mary’s Bones and Children
Through archeological evidence, protestants have been proven right on both counts.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
Imagine if you found a family grave today that said something like ‘Tom, son of John and Mary, brother of Bob and Anthony’. In a city the size Jerusalem was in those days there would be loads of families who could fit a description consisting solely of such common names.
And as IF they would all be buried in the same place - they were busy being persecuted, first by Herod and then by the Romans - they were also busy evangelising and travelling the world preaching.
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Nicene
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:ehh: 
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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Caesar
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Oh my God, you were right all along, how could we have missed that! Damn this foolish Popery of ours!It appears catholic doctrine has been proven wrong through archeology on both the assumption of Mary and that she did indeed have other children: Mary’s Bones and Children
Through archeological evidence, protestants have been proven right on both counts.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
Now then,
- This dig is nothing more then stupid conspiracy-theory nonsense like the Da Vinci Code, the Gospel of Judas and Christ’s tomb in Kashmir.
- This dig also claims to have found the bones of Jesus, so if you support this as a protestant you must then believe that Jesus did not rise from the dead, hence he was a mere mortal man. Well, if thats what protestants believe, then so be it…
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Mary_Henley
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Remind me never to be in the vicinity of these dufuses, lest… as St. Ignatius feared…when God strikes them down for their blasphemy…I might be caught in the frey.
A great book for Lent?
The Resurrection of the Shroud!
The knuckleheads on the blog would do well to read this rather than chase suppositions…
DNA my —!
A great book for Lent?
The Resurrection of the Shroud!
The knuckleheads on the blog would do well to read this rather than chase suppositions…
DNA my —!
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MilesXpisti
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Heh…riiiiight. Next, Jim Cameron will be telling us that ten yards away, he’s found a writing by Paul, the real first pontiff, extolling the virtues of priestesses and same-sex unions. I can’t imagine anyone but the most intelligence-bereft individuals will buy this.It appears catholic doctrine has been proven wrong through archeology on both the assumption of Mary and that she did indeed have other children: Mary’s Bones and Children
Through archeological evidence, protestants have been proven right on both counts.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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AdvanceAlways
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how many times have we seen this?
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ABostonCatholic
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Caesar
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I find it funny how Catholics can give highly reasonable proofs for many of it’s Traditional (as in Apostolic Tradition) doctrines, only to have protestants deny them because they might not be explicitly stated in the King James Bible, and then a protestant comes along and posts this nonsense claim. Hypocritical, isnt it?
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Nicene
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