Jorge Garcia, husband and father of two, deported Jan 15 2018 (MLK Day)

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Sorry LeafByNiggle, your points are not persuasive.

I am the child of two immigrants who were blessed to come here legally. I also happened to marry an immigrant, who was blessed to come here legally.

You can bet that my parents made DARN sure that they renewed their green cards, did the papers required, got doctor’s appointments and exams, got fingerprinted, etc. for the very reason that they wanted to be responsible aliens (and later citizens), partly so they would NEVER be deported, and put their children in a precarious position.

You think Jorge and his wife ever discussed, “maybe we should get your immigration regularized before we get married? Maybe we should consider legally settling in Mexico?” They had options along the way. It was THEIR responsibility to figure these things out.
Any time a parent is sent to prison, do you consider that “breaking up a family”? I guess no one should ever be sent to prison, because that would be “breaking up a family”, wouldn’t it?
 
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pnewton said:
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He crossed the border illegally. He has no legal right to be here. boom. real argument.
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You would hold a ten year old for a crime his parents commit? Does that apply to all children or just Mexicans?
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Plenty of children pay a price for their parents mistakes, sadly. What about children of convicts? Should we just let them all be free?
 
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With all this opinions, I challenge each and everyone to discuss this with your priest and see what they think.
 
The priest has a different set of priorities than the United States government.
 
Loud-living-dogma said:
Plenty of children pay a price for their parents mistakes, sadly. What about children of convicts? Should we just let them all be free?
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No, we should jail them. Make them part of their parents prison time, at least to be consistent.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
The priest has a different set of priorities than the United States government.
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I was addressing this for those who put their Catholicism over their nationalism. If people who are the shepherds, who teach us the faith, who have given their life to serve God in this world, have a different position, surely that should at least give us pause as to what is morally right in this situation.
 
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Loud-living-dogma:
Plenty of children pay a price for their parents mistakes, sadly. What about children of convicts? Should we just let them all be free?
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No, we should jail them. Make them part of their parents prison time, at least to be consistent.
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😄😄:smile:Sorry I was unclear pnewton. Should we just let all convicted felons go free if they have children, so we don’t break up their families?
 
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JanSobieskiIII:
The priest has a different set of priorities than the United States government.
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I was addressing this for those who put their Catholicism over their nationalism.
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I call bull puckey. You can call for strong immigration laws and still be a good Catholic. You’re not the judge and jury or pope, either, pnewton.
 
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Loud-living-dogma said:
You think Jorge and his wife ever discussed, "maybe we should get your immigration regularized before we get married? "
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They may have discussed it, but there was no knowing how long that might take, if ever. It is unreasonable to punish Jorge for marrying just because others might have chosen differently. By the time this happened, he was already heavily invested in his life here - and not by his own choice.
“Maybe we should consider legally settling in Mexico?”
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Same thing. It would have been a big disruption even then. They had options along the way.
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Not as many options as you or I have.
It was THEIR responsibility to figure these things out.
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Jorge’s parents bear some of that responsibility for putting him in that position.
Any time a parent is sent to prison, do you consider that “breaking up a family”?
I guess no one should ever be sent to prison, because that would be “breaking up a family”, wouldn’t it?
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Deflection. I’m not going there.
 
Loud-living-dogma said:
I call bull puckey. You can call for strong immigration laws and still be a good Catholic.
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Call it what you want. Depending on what you define as strong immigration laws, no you can’t, lest you be a cafeteria Catholic, rejecting a large portion of the Catholic doctrine of social justice. One can believe in strong immigration laws only to the extent it is consistent with moral teaching. That is why I suggested going and asking a priest if they believe this incident is consistent. Or one could just open one’s heart and listen to the Pope.

For example, the idea of preference for the wealthy, professional or skilled to immigrate over the poor is a direct contradiction of Catholic teaching on the preferential option for the poor.
 
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What?! The Mexican economy is a lost cause but legalizing immigration in the USA is so doable it’s obvious?!!! I’m very interested to know what other Americans think of this. I don’t think people are really arguing about the “dreamers”, the term has barely been brought up here (and I was one of those who mentioned it). This was the old same debate we’ve been hearing since before anyone came up with the “dreamers” program.

OK… OK.

Do you guys realize, sincerely, what “$125,000” means for the average Mexican (or non-American, for all that matter)?

This person, the American left is telling us (in a judgmental way of course), to feel sorry for, because “everybody knows” this is “unfair” (I’m yet to see any sort of legal evidence to back up that claim), has spent this sum of money just to avoid… México PERIOD

Oh, I’m sorry. It’s… the way of life… I forgot. Let me tell that to the judges and everyone drafting and upholding the Law, the policemen and the people who are starving or the millions of Christians that have been persecuted in recent times.

Wow… I’m truly speechless at this point. I’m sorry, I’m just… I don’t know what to say.
 
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For example, the idea of preference for the wealthy, professional or skilled to immigrate over the poor is a direct contradiction of Catholic teaching on the preferential option for the poor.
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Except Catholic teaching also says that government has to oversee the common good, and letting in huge influxes of poor folks directly negatively effects the working poor citizens by creating an abundance of labor which suppresses wages
 
Yes, pobreton, I’ve always wondered whether Mexico worries about the concept of “brain drain”, the way some US states do?

I love it that you have flummoxed those on this forum who would purport to be speaking for all those poor hopeless Mexicans!
 
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It’s not like people are not aware of the immigration laws of the USA. And, furthermore there are legal ways to normalize their situation, if they choose to abandon México and move to the USA. If they don’t meet the requirements a government imposes, what is there to say?
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For Goodness’ sakes. The man has a family and was brought here when he was ten years old. He has no record of crime. Not even a traffic ticket.
 
“Law is the Law”

Aight, folks. I guess we gotta let the abortion law stand since, well, law is law.

Let’s be consistent here and defend all life. If you were brought to another country at age 10, and since had a family with no criminal record, would you think it just to be separated from your family?

Plenty here arguing for the sake of their political party’s allegiance and not their faith. Sad.
 
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“Law is the Law”

Aight, folks. I guess we gotta let the abortion law stand since, well, law is law.

Let’s be consistent here and defend all life. If you were brought to another country at age 10, and since had a family with no criminal record, would you think it just to be separated from your family?

Plenty here arguing for the sake of their political party’s allegiance and not their faith. Sad.
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No one is separating him from his family!
His family can go and live with their father if they choose to!
 
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