JPII now baptised by proxy by LDS

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PaulDupree and Majick275 are very good at explaining things but they both have a habit of mis-interpreting and mis-representing something and then insisting that somebody defend it.

They are both ex-Mormons and know perfectly well the doctrine. They are just arguing because their consciences burn and they long to justify what they never can: leaving God’s true chruch.
 
rmcmullan said:
PaulDupree and Majick275 are very good at explaining things but they both have a habit of mis-interpreting and mis-representing something and then insisting that somebody defend it.
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LOL!
Thank you another mormon joke. No ex-mormon could of ever understood the teachings of the church…
They are both ex-Mormons and know perfectly well the doctrine. They are just arguing because their consciences burn and they long to justify what they never can: leaving God’s true chruch.
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Ah so you hold a grudge since they are ex-mormons and tell the TRUTH about the mormon teachings?
It would seem that they have found the true church like all other ex-mormons!😛 Perhaps you are longing for your own return to the true church that you left!

Since you think that they have misinterperted something how about you clarify it…that would make sense no? That way we can see what the LDS really are all about! WE ARE WAITING😃
 
rmcmullan said:
PaulDupree and Majick275 are very good at explaining things but they both have a habit of mis-interpreting and mis-representing something and then insisting that somebody defend it.

They are both ex-Mormons and know perfectly well the doctrine. They are just arguing because their consciences burn and they long to justify what they never can: leaving God’s true chruch.
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McMullan, you are paddling upstream. To be ignorant is not a sin, to remain willfully ignorant IS a sin. To leave the true Church and follow falsehood is ignorant. Mormonism is false religion and all your argument won’t change the facts. Sorry.
 
hosemonkey said:
McMullan, you are paddling upstream. To be ignorant is not a sin, to remain willfully ignorant IS a sin. To leave the true Church and follow falsehood is ignorant. Mormonism is false religion and all your argument won’t change the facts. Sorry.
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standard LDS practice…dont answer the question posed but change the topic or state that “you dont understand the doctrine” or perhaps “you are misinterperting the doctrine”…
 
rmcmullan said:
PaulDupree and Majick275 are very good at explaining things but they both have a habit of mis-interpreting and mis-representing something and then insisting that somebody defend it.

They are both ex-Mormons and know perfectly well the doctrine. They are just arguing because their consciences burn and they long to justify what they never can: leaving God’s true chruch.
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whoa!!! what brought this on? I can and have provided LDS sources to document all of my claims and have invited all to seek verification. I certainly haven’t misinterpreted anything. Years of LDS religious education and study took care of that. Where have I misrepresented anything? mighty sweeping generality to throw down without a single example. I don’t insist anyone defend anything about the LDS church. I show that is INDEFENSIBLE in the hopes that people will abandon it and seek the truth instead. I owe that to God. My “conscience burns” due to Gods commands “feed my sheep”, “when thou art converted, go and strengthen thy brethren”, “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations”, “And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations”.

I am IN gods true church now. That’s the one where we pray to the Father AND the Son AND the holy spirit which IS ONE God. The one where we WORSHIP and PRAISE God. You remember that? perhaps your vitriol is an external transference of your own self doubt. We humans tend to denounce in others most strenuously that which we hate about ourselves.

You are loved by the lord, accept it and act accordingly. 🙂
 
Karin said:
standard LDS practice…dont answer the question posed but change the topic or state that “you dont understand the doctrine” or perhaps “you are misinterperting the doctrine”…
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Correct,Karin. We used to have a saying, “the flak is heaviest right over the target.”
 
rmcmullan said:
Reading your posts! The big problem I have is that you & PaulDupree haven’t kept your oaths. It’s all about that.
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Oaths sworn in blasphemous ceremonies have NO validity. One is bound in conscience to repudiate them.
 
rmcmullan said:
PaulDupree and Majick275 are very good at explaining things but they both have a habit of mis-interpreting and mis-representing something and then insisting that somebody defend it.

They are both ex-Mormons and know perfectly well the doctrine. They are just arguing because their consciences burn and they long to justify what they never can: leaving God’s true chruch.
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Look, you are following a religion where it is obvious to anyone with eyes that Joe Smith took the Bible, read a passage, and parodied that passage in opposition to the passage. He wrote the opposite of what he read in the Bible and called it reformed reformed Egyptian and presented it as a revelation. Obviously, no man can do this by mistake. He did it deliberately to con people and it worked.It got him for a while much money and more than fifteen minutes in the sun. The feather in his hat he called Moroni. If you look at his stuff, it is completely and totally backwards or anti to Christianity.

Now I ask you- what do we call the guy who comes along and sets up a religion in opposition to Christianity? Really. What do we call him?
Joe Smith has satirized christianity. It is a satire, a parody and i am absolutely sure he knew what he was doing when he did it. No one will get rich and famous following Christ but Joe’s ship came in when he dreamt up this story line.
For instance the angel moroni. Contemplate the angel moroni. If this is not satire and parody, what is?
And Joe was very successful. After all, look at you? You are defending Joe’s truth in turning religion into Monty Python’s Flying Circus.
 
majick275 said:
whoa!!! what brought this on? I can and have provided LDS sources to document all of my claims and have invited all to seek verification. I certainly haven’t misinterpreted anything. Years of LDS religious education and study took care of that. Where have I misrepresented anything? mighty sweeping generality to throw down without a single example. I don’t insist anyone defend anything about the LDS church. I show that is INDEFENSIBLE in the hopes that people will abandon it and seek the truth instead. I owe that to God. My “conscience burns” due to Gods commands “feed my sheep”, “when thou art converted, go and strengthen thy brethren”, “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations”, “And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations”.

I am IN gods true church now. That’s the one where we pray to the Father AND the Son AND the holy spirit which IS ONE God. The one where we WORSHIP and PRAISE God. You remember that? perhaps your vitriol is an external transference of your own self doubt. We humans tend to denounce in others most strenuously that which we hate about ourselves.

You are loved by the lord, accept it and act accordingly. 🙂
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:blessyou:
 
Look I don’t do apolgetics. And I’m not here to convert you. And I’m not taking question about why Joeseph Smith ate babies.
 
rmcmullan said:
Don’t jump to a hasty conclusion. If you’ve ever done much genealogy work, you’d be surprised at how quickly everybody becomes intertwined. There might not be a direct relationship but a claim to kinship is not specified by a set of onerous rules.
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there is nothing on the LDS geneology tree to suggest they are related
 
rmcmullan said:
Reading your posts! The big problem I have is that you & PaulDupree haven’t kept your oaths. It’s all about that.
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with that view I bet you wish the Oath of Vengence was still practiced:rolleyes: …

If you renounce the mormon church you in turn renounce the mormon oaths…they no longer apply to your life:thumbsup:
 
rmcmullan said:
Look I don’t do apolgetics.
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so you cant answer questions that people have about mormon doctrine? so why are you posting here then if you can not answer the questions posed to you?:confused:
And I’m not here to convert you.
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what are you here for then?:confused: you ahve stated you are not here to defend or explain the mormon doctrine …so what is your purpose?
And I’m not taking question about why Joeseph Smith ate babies.
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No one is asking about that…🙂
 
rmcmullan said:
Look I don’t do apolgetics. And I’m not here to convert you. And I’m not taking question about why Joeseph Smith ate babies.
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You are correct, you are not much good at apologetics and
It is quite obvious that your efforts on behalf of the LDS “church” are futile. As to Joe Smith eating babies, I am sure that even that could be forgiven. One must judge a belief by It’s founder. Catholicism and the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ, who was both True God and True Man, therefore infallible. Mormonism, Islam and all the multitudinous varieties of Protestantism were founded by corrupt and fallible men, chief among whom were Joseph Smith and Mohammed, not forgetting Martin Luther (may his name perish in oblivion.) BTW, I don’t think that there is much danger of anyone on this forum converting to mormonism.
 
First, let me say, that I have been less than charitable in this thread, & I had a mod go through & edit some of my posts…

That said, I am going to tell you all, what it is that really ticks me off about this whole “baptism of the dead” thing, & that is the personal experience I have had with family.
My Daddy was one of 13 children. At present, only 2 of that generation remain living, one aunt & one uncle. My uncle’s son is doing the family tree.
Now, we have always known that several of the 13 died in childhood, & that among those were 3 that no one knew where they were buried. They were in unmarked graves in a little country cemetary somewhere in West Virginia, Maryland, or southern Pennsylvania. My aunt & uncle are aging & in poor health, & the cousin doing the family tree wanted to give his dad, & our aunt, the peace of mind of knowing where the siblings were buried who had died before the 2 of them were born…
After several years of searching, he finally realized he needed help finding them, & he went to the Mormons, who have genealogical info on about everybody…and are, supposedly, very nice about helping people with this kind of thing.
The Mormons knew exactly where the graves were…:mad: They would not tell him!! Not until he:mad: signed papers “requesting” that these deceased loved ones be http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/4.gif baptized by proxy by thehttp://bestsmileys.com/angry1/25.gif Mormons.
He asked me what I thought he should do…I said to “sign their blasted papers, & don’t ever, ever let them my uncle & aunt] find out about it, it would:crying: break their hearts”.

Now, you who are Mormons (& a few others) seem to think you are being “charitable”. That was, I’m sorry, but that was http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/9.gif extortion!! The man who did that…My uncle & aunt talk about how “nice” he was to help. They will, I hope & pray, never have to find out that he was just getting some kind of brownie points by getting baptized for folks whose family were desperate to put a stone on their graves, & took http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/4.gifmerciless advantage…
So, pardon me, if I’m not impressed by the motives & actions here. That was a http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/16.gifdirty rotten trick to play!!! And you all ought to be ashamed to have that kind of emotional blackmail going on…

So…needless to say, I don’t have a whole lot of love for the whole LDS church after they pulled*** that*** on us!!!

I guess maybe it is OK now, for me to say, I have an awful lot of sympathy for the Jewish families whose deceased loved ones got hijacked…
 
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