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FollowChrist34 said:
Clinton to date has received 1 million more votes than Donald Trump nationally in the primary season. Typically the primaries pull about 30% of either party, the base. This statistic is with high Republican, low (with some exceptions) Democrat turnout.
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That’s very interesting. I’ve heard Trump people mention the high Republican, low Democrat, turnout numerous times … but I don’t think they also mentioned the rest. :o
 
Peter_J said:
That’s very interesting. I’ve heard Trump people mention the high Republican, low Democrat, turnout numerous times … but I don’t think they also mentioned the rest. :o
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1 million is not that much - but, I agree, no, you would never know that Hillary was up 1 million from the Trump folks. :o
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Yes, more and more I am realizing that Kasich is far and away the best candidate on either side. ** It is such a shame that there is this push by his own party to take him down. ** Says a lot about how we got to this point.
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I don’t know if I would say that exactly. Gov Kasich went from 6-8 % a few weeks ago, to the 17-22 % range currently.

I think he picked up a large portion of ex-Rubio supporters after March 15th, but some (myself included) just couldn’t see switching from the 3rd place contender to the 4th place contender so late in the game. 😦 I do think a Kasich/Trump head-to-head race would be great in theory, but how would we possibly get there at this point? (And even if we can somehow, it won’t change the already-completed races where Kasich did poorly. :o)
 
Peter_J said:
I don’t know if I would say that exactly. Gov Kasich went from 6-8 % a few weeks ago, to the 17-22 % range currently.

I think he picked up a large portion of ex-Rubio supporters after March 15th, but some (myself included) just couldn’t see switching from the 3rd place contender to the 4th place contender so late in the game. 😦
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You know you make an excellent point there. A lot of Rubio supporters are going Kasich instead of Cruz, and doing it with conviction - they are not ‘swing’ voters between the two.

But I personally am split right down the middle between them, which is why I am ok with voting strategically - vote for whichever one is in the lead in a particular state. I watched Kasich do another interview last night and he was fantastic - and he is not a ‘moderate’; he worked for Reagan, etc.; I line up with Kasich better on all the issues than Cruz. And yet supporting him is kind of a dead end. It makes me wonder why I am a Republican, can I handle such nonsense and instability with this whole Trump thing.
 
Cathoholic said:
Path_Finder

You rhetorically asked:

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I wonder how much those who have the purist perspective have even been around the Pro-Life movement. . . .
. . . . I’d like to see how much truly, for the pro-life movement, such critics have done.

I assume you were alluding to me since you disagreed with my saying . . .

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“Compromise” has been a societal “Faustian Pact” that has not worked. . . .
. . . . I have no problem “compromising” on certain issues. But on foundational issues, we need real PRINCIPLED leadership.

The problem with both these points is it attempts to deflect the issues I brought up with John Kasich and tries to put the focus on “me”.

I’m not going to abide by that.
Recall the 1st Republican Primary debate. Just compare Kasich talking about attending a same-sex “wedding”, berating other people who think the Federal Government has no place RE-DEFINING marriage.

Think for a minute about Kasich equivocating about how “we need to love our sons and daughters” (which is true) and implying traditional marriage proponents don’t assert this (which was phony).

You and I both know we can oppose the Federal Government RE-DEFINING marriage and STILL LOVE our children!

Recall Kasich going off on a tangent about how the champagne was so good at the “gay marriage” he attended (when he was later talking in Michigan) obfuscating the subject to re-assure people on both sides of the issue being discussed.

Deliberate on the fact that Kasich flippantly implied people who oppose the Federal Government RE-DEFINING marriage are guilty of committing “discrimination”!!

Remember how Kasich said WE ARE NOT GOING BACK. Kasich was talking in the context not of social ethos. Kasich was talking about Government and LAW.

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John Kasich, who opposes gay marriage, thinks a Kentucky clerk should issue same-sex marriage licenses despite her religious beliefs. (From Cincinnati.com emphasis mine)

Kasich would be the guy who was supposed to PROTECT YOU!
  • What if you are a nurse in a small hospital and “the law” is euthanasia?
    If you are the only RN on duty MUST you KILL your patient? Why not? It’s “the law”!
  • What if your Priest is told he must report his penitents confessions to the Government for certain crimes? After all. It’s “the LAW!”
  • What if you get told your child MUST go in for “Government Marriage Diversity Training” if your kid is going to attend a Catholic school where they do not implement “Government Marriage Diversity Training”?
    (Or if you home school your kid, you MUST send him/her to the new Government Training Center for 3 hours a week for the “Government Marriage Diversity Training” program).
    Now what? It’s “the LAW!”
How about your hypothetical older son who is now in the military? What about HIM?

MUST he now subject himself to what some people object to as a form of brainwashing? Or can we just say those people are extreme (but your son MUST still subject himself to this)?

If your son refuses such “training”, should he mandate a “Dishonorable Discharge”? Or is it OK for him just to have an “Other Than Honorable Conditions Discharge” or a “Bad Conduct Discharge” (BCD)?

Is it appropriate to divert his military training to time spent on social engineering?

Should we just “compromise”?

Do you REALLY want a guy like Kasich in charge of this stuff?

Do you think Kasich has the fortitude and has a well-built Constitutional foundation and framework to deal with these issues?

Kasich has done the same end-around with pre-born babies.

If you read my prior posts from this thread you KNOW that.

Just about ALL politicians CALL themselves “Pro-Life”.

Kasich’s FOUNDATION is flawed to the point where I do no trust him to protect society and our religious freedom in a Constitutionally Principled Manner.

You (or others) can rationalize that “the Supreme Court has ruled” so this MUST be “Constitutional”.

But EVERYONE honestly reading the Constitution, including dissenting Supreme Court Justices KNOW this type of game is NOT “Constitutional”.

Read the 10th Amendment which states the Federal Government has no power over states . . . . unless something is delegated in the Constitution.

We both know abortion, or gay marriage, etc. is NOT “delegated” there. That’s WHY in Roe they needed to throw shadows of shadows (“penumbra”) into their “ruling”.

We know religious liberty IS explicitly in the Constitution.

I want to challenge you to go back and re-read the posts I did on John Kasich.

Then listen to Robert George talking with Senator Cruz (here).

EWTN’s interview link with Robert George:
youtube.com/watch?v=dr_yshI9D7A

Ask yourself if there is a FOUNDATIONAL difference between Kasich and Cruz.

See if there is a level of PRINCIPLE that Cruz strives for, that Kasich does not.

Consider for yourself, which candidate you would rather have protecting you, or your children, or your grandchildren.

Are these issues worth a firm stance? Or should we embrace yet “another compromise”?
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I don’t deny that Governor Kasich’s positions may not be the best per same-sex marriage or some other issues. However, I find him admirable for his pro-life record.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
1 million is not that much - but, I agree, no, you would never know that Hillary was up 1 million from the Trump folks. :o
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Hillary has one competitor and trump has had more than ten. Does that not figure in the math?
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Why are people voting for his competitors and not him?
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They might be voting for a non-trump now but when it’s between him and hillary, the math will probably change.

We shall have to see. But when you are purely talking about math, all details count.
 
queenofheartscv said:
They might be voting for a non-trump now but when it’s between him and hillary, the math will probably change.

We shall have to see. But when you are purely talking about math, all details count.
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Do these details include current polls?
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Do these details include current polls?
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this, current polls, current polls compared to polls taken at this time in last cycles, the now-famous professor’s prediction model, trump’s primary votes compared to Romney’s last cycle, everything!
 
queenofheartscv said:
Hillary has one competitor and trump has had more than ten. Does that not figure in the math?
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It should at least.

I don’t recall the numbers, but I believe it has been pointed out on this forum that polls have shown that Trump would lose in a head to head race with Kasich, would lose in a head to head race with Cruz, and would lose in a head to head race with Rubio!

But because of the rules that are in place there’s a good chance that Trump will win.
 
Peter_J said:
It should at least.

I don’t recall the numbers, but I believe it has been pointed out on this forum that polls have shown that Trump would lose in a head to head race with Kasich, would lose in a head to head race with Cruz, and would lose in a head to head race with Rubio!

But because of the rules that are in place there’s a good chance that Trump will win.
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Why should anyone that wants to be President get out of the race?
 
Peter_J said:
But one could hope that a candidate would be more motivated by consideration of “what’s best for the party”.
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If you mean Kasich, perhaps he is doing what he thinks is best for the party
 
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