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Because it’s textbook perfect. A lie is a statement contradictory to the truth.
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I’m muting this thread. I trust @Tis_Bearself to be able to make an argument without resorting to ad hominems, given that she’s a lawyer and it’s her job. What you’re calling an ad hominem is not an ad hominem. Not even the Catholic definition of lying states that a lie is merely a statement that contradicts the truth, otherwise people who unintentionally give you misinformation are lying, which makes no sense. A lie is a statement told that is intentionally at odds with what the speaker believes is the truth. That’s what makes the difference.
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And he STILL has not shown ANY contradiction! He just strongly believes.
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Kava wasn’t accused of sex crimes. Had Mrs. Clinton won the election on 8 November, he would have most likely been sitting on the court by Thanksgiving and he would not have been asked about notations in his high school yearbook
Garland can’t go back to his job, the cloud over the him now, with litigants realizing he was denied the seat on the Supreme Court because the Senate determined he was a gang rapist. He will definitely have to work the rest of his days trying to rehabilitate himself…
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She, not he.
And I have. No one, not even Kavanaugh, could show contradiction to your satisfaction.
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I think you mean Kavanaugh, not Garland. Garland is working and was never accused of any sex crime or any crime, or lie, at all.
I don’t think Kavanaugh was accused of gang rape. Dr. Ford said she “thought” he was going to rape her. The actual accusation boiled down to assault and battery.
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Of course I meant Kav, thx for the correction.
Kavanaugh was indeed accused of organizing alcohol and drug fueled Gang Rape Parties with his friend Mr. Judge, Swetnick reported she attended no fewer than 10 such events. Swetnick’s attorney, potential 2020 Presidential nominee Michael Avenatti unveiled the charges
Kavanaugh was indeed accused of organizing alcohol and drug fueled Gang Rape Parties with his friend Mr. Judge, Swetnick reported she attended no fewer than 10 such events. Swetnick’s attorney, potential 2020 Presidential nominee Michael Avenatti unveiled the charges
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And that’s the kind of person you want on the Supreme Court?
And, he’ll probably be confirmed unless Flake, Collins, and Murkowski do their jobs. But I only trust Flake. Politicians are self-centered and tend to look out for themselves. On both sides.
Those of you who defend him would defend anyone if you thought he would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade and abolish same-sex marriage. Roe v. Wade may be overturned some day, but that would just leave abortion up to the individual states, and most of them will vote to keep it legal. (Abortion on demand is prohibited in my religion, too, but the majority of the people are secular and want it.) And same-sex marriage isn’t going anywhere. A previous poster made that argument quite clearly and credibly.
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Even I don’t find MIchael Avenatti credible.
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What’s wrong with having someone who stands up for their reputation and cares what other people think?
Kav would not be turned down for his position on abortion or gay marriage, because of unproven charges of serious crimes.
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"Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus "
Hey, I can understand if you don’t care for Kavanaugh because of his political beliefs or even if you don’t like our President. But the thing I don’t like is destroying someone’s reputation with unproven and most likely false accusations in order to defeat him.
Then you have to have a problem with the other accusations, if you’ve seen the Latin phrase
"Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus "
Hey, I can understand if you don’t care for Kavanaugh because of his political beliefs or even if you don’t like our President. But the thing I don’t like is destroying someone’s reputation with unproven and most likely false accusations in order to defeat him.
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I don’t like liars. Period.
Kavanaugh’s lies, one-by-one. I realize Catholics don’t care for the particular newspaper, but this isn’t an opinion piece. It presents facts.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brett-kavanaugh-lies_us_5bb26190e4b027da00d61fcd
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Huffington Post isn’t a newspaper at all, but just a liberal opinion website.
They didn’t like Judge Kavanaugh from the second his name was put forward.
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I have no problem with Kavanaugh drinking in school, but I do have a problem with him lying about the extent of it,
“I drank beer with my friends,” Kavanaugh yelled in his opening statement. “Almost everyone did. Sometimes I had too many beers. Sometimes others did. I liked beer. I still like beer. But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out, and I never sexually assaulted anyone.”
It shouldn’t matter if someone who likes to drink beer or used to binge-drink to the point of blacking out goes on to have a successful career. What is at issue is that Blasey alleged that Kavanaugh was “visibly drunk” when the alleged assault took place. It’s possible Kavanaugh had drunk too much to remember the event.
Kavanaugh repeatedly stated that he has never blacked out in his life. Numerous people who knew him in college and high school said this was likely impossible, based on the number of times they saw him staggering drunk.
“Brett was a sloppy drunk, and I know because I drank with him,” said Dr. Liz Swisher, a college friend of Kavanaugh’s. “I watched him drink more than a lot of people. He’d end up slurring his words, stumbling.”
“He was a notably heavy drinker, even by the standards of the time, and that he became aggressive and belligerent when he was very drunk,” said James Roche, a freshman-year college roommate of Kavanaugh’s. “I did not observe the specific incident in question, but I do remember Brett frequently drinking excessively and becoming incoherently drunk.”
And it goes on and on and on.
All of these people have no reason to lie. The balance of truth is on the side of those saying Kavanaugh lied.
He lied about many things. I have a problem with a man who lies to the Senate when seeking confirmation as a Supreme Court justice. I have a problem with such a man being on the Supreme Court. I realize all people lie at times. Some more than others, But a Senate Confirmation is no place to hone one’s skill lying. The truth will be found out.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brett-kavanaugh-lies_us_5bb26190e4b027da00d61fcd
“I drank beer with my friends,” Kavanaugh yelled in his opening statement. “Almost everyone did. Sometimes I had too many beers. Sometimes others did. I liked beer. I still like beer. But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out, and I never sexually assaulted anyone.”
It shouldn’t matter if someone who likes to drink beer or used to binge-drink to the point of blacking out goes on to have a successful career. What is at issue is that Blasey alleged that Kavanaugh was “visibly drunk” when the alleged assault took place. It’s possible Kavanaugh had drunk too much to remember the event.
Kavanaugh repeatedly stated that he has never blacked out in his life. Numerous people who knew him in college and high school said this was likely impossible, based on the number of times they saw him staggering drunk.
“Brett was a sloppy drunk, and I know because I drank with him,” said Dr. Liz Swisher, a college friend of Kavanaugh’s. “I watched him drink more than a lot of people. He’d end up slurring his words, stumbling.”
“He was a notably heavy drinker, even by the standards of the time, and that he became aggressive and belligerent when he was very drunk,” said James Roche, a freshman-year college roommate of Kavanaugh’s. “I did not observe the specific incident in question, but I do remember Brett frequently drinking excessively and becoming incoherently drunk.”
And it goes on and on and on.
All of these people have no reason to lie. The balance of truth is on the side of those saying Kavanaugh lied.
He lied about many things. I have a problem with a man who lies to the Senate when seeking confirmation as a Supreme Court justice. I have a problem with such a man being on the Supreme Court. I realize all people lie at times. Some more than others, But a Senate Confirmation is no place to hone one’s skill lying. The truth will be found out.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brett-kavanaugh-lies_us_5bb26190e4b027da00d61fcd
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I don’t agree, but it doesn’t matter. The paper isn’t printing its opinion; it’s printing the opinion of those who knew, and know, Kavanaugh.
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They are still just saying he was a drunk and he already said he sometimes drank too many bears. There is still no contradiction except the ones you and the opinion piece writer are reading into it. Blacking out doesn’t mean staggering, it means you don’t remember what happened. How would anyone know except the person unless he told people he blacked out?
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The Huffington Post isn’t the only newspaper to report Kavanaugh’s less-than-truthful statements.
www.vox.com
www.gq.com
www.elle.com
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/150749/brett-kavanaugh-lie-us-senate
When the lies mount and mount, and the liar becomes more aggressive in his testimony, there comes a point where reasonable people must conclude that there is something amiss with the candidate. It is ludicrous to think a bunch of people who have not been in contact with one another for years, got together and said, “Let’s all lie about Brett.” They didn’t. The only conclusion a reasonable person can come to is that Brett Kavanaugh lied.
And blacking out from booze isn’t the only thing he lied about. It’s just one of the things.
Did Brett Kavanaugh perjure himself? The debate, explained.
We keep having to talk about whether Kavanaugh lied to Congress.
www.vox.com
All of Brett Kavanaugh's Lies
An attempt to catalog the various lies told by the embattled Supreme Court nominee—including while under oath.
All the Times Brett Kavanaugh Lied During His Hearing
From his drinking habits to his Yale connections.
www.elle.com
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/150749/brett-kavanaugh-lie-us-senate
When the lies mount and mount, and the liar becomes more aggressive in his testimony, there comes a point where reasonable people must conclude that there is something amiss with the candidate. It is ludicrous to think a bunch of people who have not been in contact with one another for years, got together and said, “Let’s all lie about Brett.” They didn’t. The only conclusion a reasonable person can come to is that Brett Kavanaugh lied.
And blacking out from booze isn’t the only thing he lied about. It’s just one of the things.
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An opinion piece is something the paper writes. Naturally, it’s going to be slanted.
What I posted that you called an “opinion piece” is not an opinion piece at all. It’s direct quotes contradicting what Kavanaugh has said about himself, and not just about drinking. That’s not opinion. It’s information from people who know Kavanaugh and were his friends and confidantes. No one is “reading” anything into it. No one told those who know Kavanaugh to say what they did. Presumably, the paper could disagree with some of them. An opinion piece is something quite different.
Even Trump says it’s not acceptable to lie to Congress:
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The direct quotes talk about drunkenness. He admitted to drinking too much. It’s not a lie just because he didn’t use identical words as others.
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They talk about other lies Kavanaugh’s told, to the Senate, that have nothing at all to do with drinking. I’m beginning to think the man is a compulsive liar.
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