Kissing on the lips during the sign of peace

  • Thread starter Thread starter HoneyBea
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
And God help me if it is a handshake.
It’s best you never come to England and Wales then, as our Bishops’ Conference has specifically designated a handshake as the norm for the sign of peace. I don’t know why all other Bishops’ Conferences don’t do likewise and designate a suitable gesture. It would save a lot of confusion.
 
I would still sit near her and return her hug each time.
Now we’re into cultural issues. In the UK hugs are reserved for close family members and generally given in private. Hugging acquaintances and strangers is not the cultural norm over here.
 
Now we’re into cultural issues. In the UK hugs are reserved for close family members and generally given in private. Hugging acquaintances and strangers is not the cultural norm over here.
Yes, hugging (in my culture) means:
“I’m happy to see you.”
“Good-bye”.
“Great game.”
“Great job.”
“Thanks for inviting me over.”
“Peace of Christ to you” at Mass

Hugging strangers - meaning someone passing on the street - is out.

Being introduced to a friend’s friend may mean giving the friend’s friend a hug when you say “good-bye”.

A hug can mean “welcome to our circle of friends”.

My son is living in a very primitive setting in the jungle in South America made up of people from various countries - mostly from the US. He is the “official greeter /hugger” when someone comes into their valley. “Welcome. You are among friends” is what the hug means.

If you were in my home, I would “read” you to see if you might welcome a hug. If I notice I thought you might not want a hug I would do two things 1) not hug you or 2) ask if I can give you a hug.

At the Sign of Peace in Mass, I would shake your hand. If someone hugged me, I would hug them back.

(I would also be aware of any “gut feeling” that told me to be caution and not to hug someone even in Mass or any place. Those feelings are not cultural. They are instinct and sometimes our guardian angel protecting us. )
 
If you were in my home, I would “read” you to see if you might welcome a hug. If I notice I thought you might not want a hug I would do two things 1) not hug you or 2) ask if I can give you a hug.
If you asked me if you could give me a hug I’d probably take a couple of quick steps back, look strangely at you and think, “How can I politely leave this mad woman’s house as soon as possible without causing upset?”

If you ever have someone from the UK visit your house (and you don’t know them very well) then don’t ask if you can hug them. They’ll either thank that you’re coming on to them, or think that you’re quite strange. A polite handshake (not a bone crusher) and a welcoming smile is the best approach to take with us.
 
If you asked me if you could give me a hug I’d probably take a couple of quick steps back, look strangely at you and think, “How can I politely leave this mad woman’s house as soon as possible without causing upset?”

If you ever have someone from the UK visit your house (and you don’t know them very well) then don’t ask if you can hug them. They’ll either thank that you’re coming on to them, or think that you’re quite strange. A polite handshake (not a bone crusher) and a welcoming smile is the best approach to take with us.
I lived on London and did not find this to be the case or maybe I was just lucky with the company I kept?
 
I lived on London and did not find this to be the case or maybe I was just lucky with the company I kept?
London (particularly its more cosmopolitan areas) is quite different from most of the rest of the UK. Also the more sloaney/yuppy types in London are into big over-the-top gestures, air-kissing, hugs etc. (such gestures always strike me as very insincere).
 
Now we’re into cultural issues. In the UK hugs are reserved for close family members and generally given in private. Hugging acquaintances and strangers is not the cultural norm over here.
Brendan, to be fair, there is not the widespread public affection of kissing on the lips/mouth in the U.S. as some have been trying to push here. In fact, I was surprised at our 50th year class reunion there was even very little hugging going on. But, having lived in both the U.S. and the U.K., I know there are cultural and linguistic differences between the two countries so you’re right on that.
 
But, having lived in both the U.S. and the U.K., I know there are cultural and linguistic differences between the two countries so you’re right on that.
I’ve never been to the US, but my impression of Americans that live over here are that they are generally very polite and friendly people, but have this tendency for over-the-top gestures (which can be considered insincere and at times a bit inappropriate over here).That would actually make a very interesting thread, but we’re veering off topic now and the mods are likely to come steaming into us at any moment.
 
I’ve never been to the US, but my impression of Americans that live over here are that they are generally very polite and friendly people, but have this tendency for over-the-top gestures (which can be considered insincere and at times a bit inappropriate over here).That would actually make a very interesting thread, but we’re veering off topic now and the mods are likely to come steaming into us at any moment.
Yes, I see insincerity as more of a problem in the U.S. And there are reasons for it. I agree it would make an interesting thread.
 
Well, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVIII hugged at the sign of peace, however it was a hug with his hands holding onto the other person’s upper arms.

To me too, it seems we should call our Bishop to find out what is the sign in our area.

Speaking of flu or other diseases, I wonder what is the best way to avoid others germs? A hug - but that’s awful close, a handshake - germs on hands. A bow would seem the best way to avoid unwanted germs, but that seems unlike my cultural heritage (german, english, American). I suppose handing out anti-bacterial gel with each handshake is probably the best but I think it would be off-putting.
 
Speaking of flu or other diseases, I wonder what is the best way to avoid others germs? A hug - but that’s awful close, a handshake - germs on hands. A bow would seem the best way to avoid unwanted germs, but that seems unlike my cultural heritage (german, english, American). I suppose handing out anti-bacterial gel with each handshake is probably the best but I think it would be off-putting.
You do know that flu and most germs are spread mainly through particles in the air? You will need to wear a face-mask at Mass (or anywhere else for that matter).

A few bugs passed from one hand to another is hardly something to be concerned about. If you’re worried about that then you ought to be more worried about touch door handles, bus hand-rails, escalator hand-rails, and worst of all MONEY. Think how any hands have touched the coins and notes that you use. A few germs passed from another person’s hand during a handshake are really nothing to worry about.
 
If you asked me if you could give me a hug I’d probably take a couple of quick steps back, look strangely at you and think, “How can I politely leave this mad woman’s house as soon as possible without causing upset?”

If you ever have someone from the UK visit your house (and you don’t know them very well) then don’t ask if you can hug them. They’ll either thank that you’re coming on to them, or think that you’re quite strange. A polite handshake (not a bone crusher) and a welcoming smile is the best approach to take with us.
And likewise, If you ever have someone from America visit your house (and you don’t know them very well) then don’t ask if you can hug them either. The practice of hugging everyone that some people have taken up is not practiced by most people that I know or am acquainted with here. I am still getting used to family hugging when we visit them (they are about 2,000 miles away) after not having seen them in several years.
 
I see what you are saying here. It does though, in effect, turn the sign of peace into mainly a sign between family members rather than an acknowledgement of our ecclesial community with others. And it leaves the single, divorced, and widowed in a sense separated from the community as expressed in the sign of peace as a mini-family event.

That’s why it seems to me that the intended liturgical significance of the sign of peace has actually been changed by the way it is practiced.
I thought someonf would try this augument, what about (fill in the blank). I reject the reasoning that it make it a mini family event, I kiss my wife, give my son a hug and then thurn to those around me and greet them.
The family is is central to our church teaching, begining with the holy family. Living and recongizing this does not leave anyone out. When we we start thinking that way we are corrupting the foundations of our believe. Being without a family unit may be thier cross to bear, they should carry it as Christ has told us to do.
 
Fine and good. But there are others in church who come alone who might like for you to extend your hospitality. Are they all second-class citizens? And whom exactly are you trying to impress by showing these public displays of affection? I know I’m not. Seems like members of your own family know you already.
Since the kiss of peace is not an extention of hospitallity, but one of recongizing fellow folowers of Christ your comment falls shorts.
By the way, I am not trying to impress anyone, Kissing my wife is a sign of ouor marritual love, it is more of an example for others to seek to be in a loving and sacramental marriage.
In a world were marriage is being made a mockery, we need to at lease support it fully in our church’s.
 
Originally Posted by Brendan 64 forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
*If you asked me if you could give me a hug I’d probably take a couple of quick steps back, look strangely at you and think, “How can I politely leave this mad woman’s house as soon as possible without causing upset?”

If you ever have someone from the UK visit your house (and you don’t know them very well) then don’t ask if you can hug them. They’ll either thank that you’re coming on to them, or think that you’re quite strange. A polite handshake (not a bone crusher) and a welcoming smile is the best approach to take with us. *
My husband and I had a great laugh! Thank you. :rotfl:
*
And likewise, If you ever have someone from America visit your house (and you don’t know them very well) then don’t ask if you can hug them either. The practice of hugging everyone that some people have taken up is not practiced by most people that I know or am acquainted with here. I am still getting used to family hugging when we visit them (they are about 2,000 miles away) after not having seen them in several years.
Maybe its a Southern Thing… Little old Southern ladies are likely to grab you and give you a hug and think you’re just being bashful… but I’ll shake your hand.

(Some nice Southern lady gave Queen Elizabeth a hug - which probably surprised everyone but Southern folks.)
 
Welp I kissed my husband in church today and we didn’t burst into flames 🙂

I also looked around for the first time and we are definitely not alone.
 
I thought someonf would try this augument, what about (fill in the blank). I reject the reasoning that it make it a mini family event, I kiss my wife, give my son a hug and then thurn to those around me and greet them.
The family is is central to our church teaching, begining with the holy family. Living and recongizing this does not leave anyone out. When we we start thinking that way we are corrupting the foundations of our believe. Being without a family unit may be thier cross to bear, they should carry it as Christ has told us to do.
Of course the family unit is central to church teaching. It is also central to society. I am only saying that recognizing the family unit or marital love is not the purpose of the sign of peace.

The sign of peace has been a part of the liturgy for hundreds of years. The rite of peace was a part of the Tridentine Rite of my youth. Still, nobody kissed anybody at Mass, and yet that was not a denigration of families. Neither is the sign of peace a sign of special recognition for families.

Well, perhaps now is! I don’t expect that will change. But the Rite has changed its practical meaning. Did someone at Vatican II raise the issue and say, “Hey let’s make the sign of peace a time when families can celebrate each other!”? Probably not, but it seems to have turned out that way.
 
Just keep in mind that it’s a liturgical action, not a family reunion! And also that the sign of peace ought to be offered to everyone in the same manner.
Remind me not to sit behind you 😉 My wife for one would not be happy.

Really please rethink this – it is liturgy and a liturgical sign of peace. Not a sign of family affection. Also check with the diocese you are in as to the established signs of peace.
lol well you could explain to her that I have to offer everyone in the same manner : )

And yes I do plan on checking in my diocese I am curious what they will say.
See it is a cultural thing, I kiss all my friends and their husbands.
It is a liturgical sign and is also affected by the culture in which the particular church is situated. By marriage I am part of a kiss-on-both-cheeks-to-greet culture - it is something we do, even if we have just met the particular member of the large, extended family for the first time; this extend to my friends, although I have to remember that most of them come from a kiss-on-one-cheek culture. In church, which we attend as a family, often filling two pews, we follow the norm of the church in our country and shake hands, none of us would dream of using any other gesture.

My concern for HoneyBea is that she is in a very different country, culturally. In the church I attend during most of the year, the sign of peace is to put your hands together, as in prayer, and bow - it would be a shocking action (even for husband and wife) to exchange the sign of peace any other way here. I understand that there are other parts of the world where the sign is open to interpretation, but when going to a new country it is most important to abide by the norms of that culture, regardless of what your cultural norm is. The accepted gesture, as we find in Arabia, may well be influenced by the culture of the country.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top