LeafByNiggle
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Some undoubtable are.NewChristianConfused:
You aren’t in touch with reality on this one.
- They aren’t refugees
The are fleeing violence that is just as bad for them as war.
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dochawk
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Actually . . .
Fr. McGivny, the founder of the KofC, was already involved in the Ancient Order of Hibernians in America before founding the Knights.
He wanted something for all Catholic men to fill the role of the AOH for Irish . . .
(The AOH in America was formed by Irish immigrants at the request of the AOH [in Ireland] in order to protect female Catholic immigrants. The Irish are the only US immigrant group where the women came first, rather than following the men. The AOH itself was formed to quite literally hide priests from the British army, who executed any they found. Pretty much every resistance group “past” the AOH on the spectrum had to be suppressed after the British were thrown out . . .)
Should the Samaritan have reserved his resources for “his own community”?
One can thing that current US immigration law and the asylum process is insane and that the border should be closed, and that those coming in should be sent home, and still show them compassion . . . .
[OK, speaking as someone who used to practice immigration law, that process is insane, with the “credible fear” standard for release pending an asylum claim having little to do with eligibility for asylum, but that’s another issue . . .]
And one could be both a good Knight assisting in this relief and a good ICE officer . . .
As for myself, as a longtime Knight, I don’t see assisting those in need as a political position.
Now, if you were to tell me that the KofC was involved in smuggling them across the boarder, or transporting them from the southern to northern border of Mexico, that would be another issue . . .
That would be the “Supreme Knight”, Carl Anderson.
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jack63
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That is a good one. I’ll have to use that sometime. I always took the entire point of the parable to be that the Samaritan and everybody should go out of their way to provide resources to those in need no matter who they are.
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tafan2
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I missed the “Hitler talk”. I suppose you refer to the words “police state” (also likely why his post was unfairly flag). It’s a fair term. I know of 4 families from our parish whose parents have been split up by our government. None of them justified. I think police state applies to that type of governmental behavior.
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CatholicSooner
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How do you know it was unjustified?
And I would venture to say that the scenario you describe happens so infrequently that it seems unfair to claim the US is a police state bc of a handful of similar instances
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dochawk
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no, that language was actually used in the now-hidden post 30.
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tafan2
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I personally know 4 families. Of those 4, three I know the details quite well. The other I know the story via friends. I have no hesitation saying they were not justified. It’s not uncommon. Happens way too often.
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CatholicSooner
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OK well what were they split up for?
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pnewton
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Then I will be more direct. The most help should be directed to where it can do the most good. There is a good argument that those along the border have less resources to help them than the homeless elsewhere, not that both do not need attention. Jesus does not see the color of the skin, speaks all languages, and never asks for papers. The KC, in doing the work of the Church, works universally, not just local. It is the literal meaning of the word “catholic.” Charity begins, with the neediest.
Supreme Knight Carl Anderson stated, "Let me be clear: This is not a political statement. This is a statement of principle. This is about helping people who need our help right now. " No one can judge him to be a liar except God.
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EricF
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Good for the Knights to rise above political ideology and do the right thing.
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tafan2
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The latest: US citizen, born in this country, married a Mexican spouse. I can’t say when, but at least 15 years ago. Never filed paperwork for change of status, not uncommon in the Hispanic community in the past. 4 kids. They decide with all the anti-immigration rhetoric they should fix the problem, expecting to pay a fine or something. Go to immigration office, the mother is taken into custody and deported. Still figuring the legal system to get the family back together. One cannot claim that is just.
And I have an even worse example, where no law was broken at all, but a paperwork screwuo by the government resulted in a two year separation.
And I have an even worse example, where no law was broken at all, but a paperwork screwuo by the government resulted in a two year separation.
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Theo520
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I’m very curious, what you think they will find as they monitor people surrendering to Border Patrol.
BP is not perfect, but by all accounts they do a good job and are not abusive of their charges. The people detained are given shelter, food and medical care far above what’s available to our homeless.
A blanket shortage in detention due to a lice outbreak is just a problem to be dealt with, not an indication of abuse. The guards are required to remove and sterilize both beds and bedding.
Again, how are the Knights going to monitor or aid Border Patrol? The basic needs of detainees are being met.
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pnewton
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LOL! Exactly. Helping those new to this country has been something the Knights have done since day one.
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tafan2
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I thought I read that post and only saw the words police state. Perhaps I missed something else.
ETA:. Nevermind, I did. Sorry.
ETA:. Nevermind, I did. Sorry.
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EricF
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If performing a corporal work of mercy somehow runs contrary to a political ideology, is it really the act of mercy that gets questioned? Wow.
How does one determine the difference?
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pnewton
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That is something I do not agree with. The current administration has even defied court ordered minimums, overloaded camps, and responded to overcrowding by increasing arrests. If by bare minimum, you mean food and water, yes, but the same can be said of a prison that still is inhumane, and even the worst ran zoo.
We do not have to agree what level of care is needed. If you are satisfied that everything is hunky-dory, then do not help. But you have no right to criticize those who do see a need and are responding with compassion. And there is no cause for this constant attack on the integrity of those that are helping.
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tafan2
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Very true. These refugees have not done anything illegal. The come here and filed for asylum, and are put in a center at that time while their case is examined. Am I missing something?
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pnewton
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BTW, the idea of overcrowding is something any justice system can face. However, most understand this and changed the standard for arrest based on what they can reasonably accommodate. During a crisis, misdemeanors might be punished less, or with something other than jail. Marijuana possession might be sent away with a ticket, etc. However, what does not happen is increased arrest of more petty crimes, unless the goal is inhumanity toward some populace, be it black, Jews, or Hispanics.
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Loud-living-dogma
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I wonder why they are placed in a holding area…
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