Latin returning to Mass

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Joe… your bio says you practice Catholicism half the time.

What do you do the other half??
 
www3.catholicweb.com/bulletins/27402/Feb-05-2006.pdf

This site contains an article written by my pastor this past Sunday. Very appropriate to this thread. It is worth the read, and I would personally enjoy any comments

Thanks.

If the link will not work for you:

go to www.rc.net and then click on Diocesan Directory, then click on “M” for Michigan, then Lansing Diocese, then St. Patricks (Whitmore). The last number of bulletins are there.
 
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MrS:
Joe… your bio says you practice Catholicism half the time.

What do you do the other half??
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I sin.
 
Joe Gloor:
Is this a club at your Church?
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Is it at yours? Do you belong?

I find it strange that anyone would be so against a traditional form of worship. I understand that it is not for you, but it is for many people. As long as you can continue to worship the way you want, why deny anyone else?
 
MrS said:
www3.catholicweb.com/bulletins/27402/Feb-05-2006.pdf

This site contains an article written by my pastor this past Sunday. Very appropriate to this thread. It is worth the read, and I would personally enjoy any comments
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An excellent article, indeed.
Unfortunately, your priest must be a “Traditional Mass hater” since he brings up the “many sat in the pews praying their rosaries”.
 
MrS said:
www3.catholicweb.com/bulletins/27402/Feb-05-2006.pdf
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Maybe it’s just me but that article makes tons of sense.
I love when he states that 40% of languages have a basis in Latin.

One can think of Latin in the Liturgy as Continuing Life Education and thank God for it. In this age of dumbing down our educational standards, I thank God every day that my girls know the Latin in our Liturgy and can sing it in the choir.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
Is it at yours? Do you belong?

I find it strange that anyone would be so against a traditional form of worship. I understand that it is not for you, but it is for many people. As long as you can continue to worship the way you want, why deny anyone else?
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My apparently too subtle point was that I don’t believe that anyone would claim to be a “Traditional Mass hater”, and I resented being cast in that light.
Please be kind enough to attribute to me what I say, not what others say about me.
Thanks.
 
Joe Gloor:
An excellent article, indeed.
Unfortunately, your priest must be a “Traditional Mass hater” since he brings up the “many satin the pews praying their rosaries”.
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huh… did this observation come from your “other” half?
 
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MrS:
huh… did this observation come from your “other” half?
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I guess I’ll have to clear up the confusion regarding my bio.
I was born into a Catholic family and fell away for quite a long time. Having since returned, confirmed at 40 years of age, I roughly guess-timate I have been a practicing Catholic about half of my life.
As to the observation, please read my just previous post regarding the “Traditional Mass haters” comment by palmas85.
 
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Lux_et_veritas:
Maybe they can eliminate the undue burden of making us go to Sunday Mass as well, since most Catholics create grave sin by not going (statistically fewer don’t go weekly than go). Afterall, a precept of the Church - to go each Sunday, can certainly be changed by Holy Mother Church, right?

The bishops should be challenging us to unbusy ourselves to spend some time with the Creator who gave us the TV we can’t get away from, the long work hours required to pay the bills for a house that is so much bigger than the ones our parents raised us in (and all the toys that go with it), the children that we wish to adore at some activity to forego Mass for, the very bed we sleep in and the roof over our head. I mean, it’s only God that we are called to worship on Sundays and Holy Days.

He gives us each and every breath we take in. How little we are asked to give back in the form of worship considering all that he gives us.

I find your commentary very sad, but all too common.

The Mass is a Sacrifice, not where we gather to celebrate each other. It’s only fitting that we should make sacrifices to be there - to get up when we want to sleep, to turn down an evening of overtime to get to a rare Holy Day Mass (and to even sacrifice buying things that would drive us to have to work that overtime to the exlusion of worship), to miss the first half of a football game on TV, or to go to a later movie, or head to the St. Mall of America later.

In fact, now that I think of it, for some, it is even a sacrifice to learn some prayers in Latin. What an opportunity to offer something up to God, and with a smile on one’s face.
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I think it sad that you attribute laziness and carelessness regarding sin to the Bishops.
 
Furthermore, it is not a sacrifice for me to go to Mass as I enjoy it.
 
Joe Gloor:
My apparently too subtle point was that I don’t believe that anyone would claim to be a “Traditional Mass hater”, and I resented being cast in that light.
Please be kind enough to attribute to me what I say, not what others say about me.
Thanks.
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Um, no where in that post did Palmas call YOU a “Traditional Mass Hater”. If you are taking the label, that is on you. I ASKED if you belonged.

I will be “kind enough” to refrain from attributing what other’s say about you when you refrrain from sarcasm. It tends to reflect back on you. If you dish it out, it may well come back, my Friend.
 
Joe Gloor:
I think it sad that you attribute laziness and carelessness regarding sin to the Bishops.
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A Bishop is a shepherd. Each should be leading us. When those in the pulpit do not give us guidance regarding sin, and it is not stressed by his boss, who is at fault?

Bishops are not perfect. They are not small gods. There are good ones and bad ones. I can say that because they are all human. Each tries in his own way to help us, but not all are great.

Thank God for our German Shepherd who will bring everyone onto the same page.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
Um, no where in that post did Palmas call YOU a “Traditional Mass Hater”. If you are taking the label, that is on you. I ASKED if you belonged.

I will be “kind enough” to refrain from attributing what other’s say about you when you refrrain from sarcasm. It tends to reflect back on you. If you dish it out, it may well come back, my Friend.
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That’s an odd proposal, but I wasn’t being sarcastic so you can refrain any time now.
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palmas85:
I was wondering how long it would take** you ** to bring up little old ladies saying ther rosaries during the Mass. It is always brought up, often with people complaining about the clacking of beads being a big distraction… However you did forget to bring up the hastily muttered Latin prayers, droning on in an incomprehensible language, 7 minute masses and nobody knowing what was going on. Traditional Mass haters always bring up the same arguments. So very very predictable.
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So you don’t think this was aimed at me?
You think palmas85 was just saying that I brought up the same arguments as the “Traditional Mass haters” and just skipped mentioning, “but I’m sure your not one?”
Maybe I’m just too sensitive. (oh darn, that sounded like sarcasm). (oops - that was sarcasm - go ahead and stop refraining)
 
Dream on, my dears. This is yet another of these apocryphal stories propagated by the desperate elements in the Church who have never accepted the work of the Church since 1962. Let’s have a look at the facts, for a change. There are 1.1 billion Catholics in the world. 99.9% use the vernacular. The vast majority do not know or care about latin. Do you really think they are going to rush to embrace the dead language? Those who push for a return of latin belong to the Lefebvrist cult or other dissenting elements. They are a tiny group of no consequence except on some Catholic forums. Gregorian chant? excellent! The use of the great music written with latin words? why not? A return to latin as the universal language of the Mass? forget it.
 
Joe Gloor:
That’s an odd proposal, but I wasn’t being sarcastic so you can refrain any time now.

So you don’t think this was aimed at me?
You think palmas85 was just saying that I brought up the same arguments as the “Traditional Mass haters” and just skipped mentioning, “but I’m sure your not one?”
Maybe I’m just too sensitive. (oh darn, that sounded like sarcasm). (oops - that was sarcasm - go ahead and stop refraining)
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Hi Joe 🙂 I did not say you were a Traditional Mass hater. I said they always bring up the same arguments that you did. I just built a shoe so to speak. Now if you want put it on and loudly proclaim that it fits, go ahead. The truth is that haters of the Traditional Mass DO always bring up those same tired worn out arguments over and over and over again. To me it is a wonder that the Mass survived at all with everyone being so miserable, uninformed, out of touch with God, downtroddeen and only knowing how to say a rosary for comfort. It must have been a horrific and tragic time being kept in bondage by the saintly priest class and the chains of Rome.

Sorry Joe. I don’t happen to adhere to the adage charity at all costs. I believe in the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Some people don’t like the truth because it hurts.

Doesn’t it Joe 🙂
 
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maklavan:
Dream on, my dears. This is yet another of these apocryphal stories propagated by the desperate elements in the Church who have never accepted the work of the Church since 1962. Let’s have a look at the facts, for a change. There are 1.1 billion Catholics in the world. 99.9% use the vernacular. The vast majority do not know or care about latin. Do you really think they are going to rush to embrace the dead language? Those who push for a return of latin belong to the Lefebvrist cult or other dissenting elements. They are a tiny group of no consequence except on some Catholic forums. Gregorian chant? excellent! The use of the great music written with latin words? why not? A return to latin as the universal language of the Mass? forget it.
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Every official document that comes out of Rome is in Latin. Whether you accept it or like it the OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF THE CHURCH AND THE MASS IS LATIN. Yes the Mass that is celebrated every day, all over the world, the ones you go to are written in Latin, and can be celebrated in Latin at any time by any Priest anywhere. Don’t believe me? Ask your Priest. The mandated use of the vernacular only pertains to the readings and the homily Everything else can be done in Latin and often is. Sorry. :crying:

Check out a copy of the Daily Roman Missal. Oh in case you don’t know, that is the Missal of the normative rite, which also as you may not know is the Pauline Rite or the Novus Ordo Rite. Sorry to tell you but while the Traditional Mass may not be around everywhere. Latin in the Catholic Church is here to say.
 
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maklavan:
Dream on, my dears. This is yet another of these apocryphal stories propagated by the desperate elements in the Church who have never accepted the work of the Church since 1962. Let’s have a look at the facts, for a change. There are 1.1 billion Catholics in the world. 99.9% use the vernacular. The vast majority do not know or care about latin. Do you really think they are going to rush to embrace the dead language? Those who push for a return of latin belong to the Lefebvrist cult or other dissenting elements. They are a tiny group of no consequence except on some Catholic forums. Gregorian chant? excellent! The use of the great music written with latin words? why not? A return to latin as the universal language of the Mass? forget it.
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Maklavan,

Until “you” ask those 1.1 billion Catholics in the world, if they would appreciate the return of Latin to the Mass, do not put words into their mouths.

And how charitable of you to call those of us who would like to see the return of Latin to our Mass as being of “no consequence”,
“dissenting elements”, or belonging to the “Lefebvrist cult”.
Maklavan, your true nature is starting to show.
 
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