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They teach Jesus Christ was just a holy human (not divine) man who became exalted.
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This is not what mormons believe. We believe that he was fully human and fully divine or God. The Lds Church has only focused more on Christ’s humanity in order to relate better to God, we do not believe it to the exclusion of being divine or God.

Jesus Christ, The Son of God
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That article doesn’t say anything about the Mormon belief of exaltation. It’s a fluff piece, aimed at trying to appear Christian. It leaves out a long list of unique Mormon teachings that Christians reject. Some that Christians would call blasphemous.

Mormon teaching is, that Jesus was in his mortal state half human, half divine. A demigod.

“… try to go along with the Savior, live with him, let him be an actual man, half divine, of course, but nevertheless moving as a man moved in those days.” (Behold the Lamb of God, p. 8.)

The “of course” is conveying that this is something that every Mormon knows, Mormon teaching is that Jesus was then exalted at his resurrection, becoming fully divine.

This also goes toward a Mormon belief regarding Jesus conception. That Jesus was conceived as all of us are conceived, with egg and sperm. Thus, Jesus human body was genetically half divine. Like the old Greek and Roman gods who fathered children with human women.

Preexistence teaching, regarding the divinity of a premortal Jesus has varied over time. Was Jesus’ premortal spirit divine or not? Individual Mormons today have varying beliefs.

A question that doesn’t exist in Christianity, as Jesus IS God. Who has never not been God. For Mormon teaching, Jesus is A God; one God among many.
 
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Thinking about this. Mormons believe that God the Father was once a man that became a god, no? Okay, so why should we worship him and not his god?
 
adamhovey1988 said:
Thinking about this. Mormons believe that God the Father was once a man that became a god, no? Okay, so why should we worship him and not his god?
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It’s a perk of being the god that made the world Mormons live on.
 
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I still don’t think the LDS god is worthy of worship, he’s just one of the guys. I mean, you know more about this than I do, but if I recall correctly, in Mormonism, Mormons believe that gods and humans are the same species.
 
I would argue that until a person knows and accepts who God the Father and Jesus Christ are, knows how they progressed, and begins to follow in their footsteps, that there is no true worship. It is just bowing and posturing.

“Surely the best evidence of our adoration of Jesus is our emulation of him” (Russell M. Nelson, “Gratitude for the Mission and Ministry of Jesus Christ,” in BYU 1997–98 Speeches, 349).
 
“… try to go along with the Savior, live with him, let him be an actual man, half divine, of course, but nevertheless moving as a man moved in those days.” (Behold the Lamb of God, p. 8.)

Of course all Mormons believe in His divinity. He is just explaining that we are talking about His humanity as a way of relating to Christ. How are we supposed to relate to Jesus’s divinity when we don’t see ourselves as divine?

As I said above the LDS Church is in the process of purging false thoughts and beliefs that man came up with in an attempt to explan God scientifically.McConkie and Talmage were a brilliant minds when it came to trying to marriage science with faith. However they drew some very wrong conclusions. The above document that you claim is not what mormons believe is one of only two officially published declarations given by the LDS leaders in I don’t know how many years, the other was on the family. These are the absolute most official and recent declarations of faith the Mormon people have. These are what God gave to them after much discussion and seeking the influence of the Holy Spirit. These are what mormons must believe to call themselves Mormon.

The Mormon church, now the LDS are trying to purge themselves of its false doctrine. First by ignoring it, then publishing it and saying this is what history tells us of it. One day in order for the church as an organization to truly repent they must apologize and set things staight. The old guard must die before this happens and it will in God’s time. But it is happening. My local leaders have no problem with me pointing out the churches flaws and my desire for leadership to make a full confession and repentance. However I acknowledge that they are already trying to do this the best they can.

It is really hard for a person or organization to change when people and other orginizations are constantly pointing out their sins and only judging them by their past sins. The Catholics don’t like it when I point out their past sins and judge them only by that. They don’t like it when I say they believe things they don’t believe like they pray to Mary and saints instead of God or that they worship idols.

I am begging you please do not continue to point out our past sins, we all have them. We are told by God to stop judging and condemning each other, He also teaches that we must forgive others if we are to also be forgiven. Please do not continue to sin by judging us and not forgiving us.
 
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adamhovey1988 said:
I still don’t think the LDS god is worthy of worship, he’s just one of the guys. I mean, you know more about this than I do, but if I recall correctly, in Mormonism, Mormons believe that gods and humans are the same species.
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That is my thought as well and one of th big problems I had as a Mormon. All those Momon men AND boys thinking they are punky gods in the making and me thinking if this is what God is like, no thanks.
 
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I’d still like to see an answer about the great apostasy, like when exactly it happened.
 
Well you can believe what you want. All I know is I have told lds leadership the things I disagree with and they are not moved to excommunicate me. The Catholic Church has rejected me completely. So God’s will I guess is for me to be Mormon and not catholic I will be content and happy where the Lord has placed me until if or when the LDS church kicks me out. There is no wonder to me why people are leaving organized religion in droves. It divides people and causes people to totally distrust even clear evidence of the contrary.
 
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Well you can believe what you want. All I know is I have told lds leadership the things I disagree with and they are not moved to excommunicate me. The Catholic Church has rejected me completely. So God’s will I guess is for me to be Mormon and not catholic I will be content and happy where the Lord has placed me until if or when the LDS church kicks me out. There is no wonder to me why people are leaving organized religion in droves. It divides people and causes people to totally distrust even clear evidence of the contrary.
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Don’t blame it on God. In RCIA there are a couple of rites where the catechumens are asked, what do you desire from the Church. The response is Baptism, Confirmation, Eucharist.That is what the Church desires for you as Christ desires. You’ve made it clear, that this isn’t YOUR desire. No one is going to force you, most of all, not God.
 
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I remember my priest specifically asking me when I was going through RCIA if I was ready. I could have said no.
 
Everything is already in God’s control. To think other wise is complete ignorance of His magnificence. Everything is operating on God’s power and will. I have learned this last week that some Catholics I know of seem to think that the things they like are from God. The things they don’t like are of the devil. It is all God’s will all of it what we think is bad and what we think is Good it is all Gods will. To think That I must humble my self to any organization to receive any gift from God is heresy. I am in no way angry with anything that has transpired between me and the Catholic Church. If it were not for the Catholic Church I would be dead. However, I can not do anything other than what I have done and still be in alignment and one with God. I only humble myself to Him. For my humility and obedience to Him I am richly blessed and desire nothing outside of Him. Once again thank you for your opinion; but I am really only interested in God’s
 
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RebeccaJ said:
You’ve made it clear, that this isn’t YOUR desire
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I have made it very clear what my desire is. To become a member of the Catholic Church and receive the sacraments without denying all that God has already done in and through me. Just like any other protestant. However desire’s are those things we want. I am more interested in my passions, or what God wants me to do. I have no control of getting the desires of my heart that is God’s will. I can only use my freewill to fulfill my passions. My passion is to do all thing my God places in my heart to do. I can do no other and also maintain my blamelessness before God. To do God’s will feels like sure peace, no anger, pure joy and love for all men. If in what you say and do you feel the same praise God He is good.
 
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If you feel that God is calling you to be a Catholic, then you need to be willing to believe that what the Church teaches is what God wants you to believe. That means humbling yourself to God through the Church.

By the way, most of us have problems with this at one time or another. But we find that when we listen, really listen, to what the Church says, we find God’s true voice.
 
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You’ve made it clear, that this isn’t YOUR desire
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I have made it very clear what my desire is. To become a member of the Catholic Church and receive the sacraments without denying all that God has already done in and through me. Just like any other protestant. However desire’s are those things we want. I am more interested in my passions, or what God wants me to do. I have no control of getting the desires of my heart that is God’s will. I can only use my freewill to fulfill my passions. My passion is to do all thing my God places in my heart to do. I can do no other and also maintain my blamelessness before God. To do God’s will feels like sure peace, no anger, pure joy and love for all men. If in what you say and do you feel the same praise God He is good.
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Sorry, all I hear you say is that all the desires of your heart are God’s, as though there is no desire coming from you that is just only yours.

When I left Mormonism for atheism, I felt joy, peace and happiness. More than I ever felt before that time in my life. It was very difficult in many ways for me to become Catholic. One time, I was sitting in this book store reading a book on Catholicism, and it ticked me off so bad I threw the book to the floor. Like you, I had no desire at that time to be baptized. Just wanted to understand what Christianity taught.

The peace that God brings is not contentment. Contentment is not a sign of doing God’s will. Israel was content in their idolatry. God more often prods and pulls us out of our contentment.
 
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When I first left the Mormon church, I was also on the verge of Atheism. That is the case with many, many ex-Mormons. They have been raised to understand that the only true God is the Mormon God, and when they realize that the Mormon God is a lie, they have nowhere else to go except Atheism because all of Christianity is a lie. Atheism is easy. Atheism is comfortable. Atheism is content. And I certainly understand the draw.
 
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