Liturgical Music Borderline Sacrilegious????

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emmaberry said:
UPDATE: Well, sadly, our priest told us that this guy will be our music minister. Apparently he is redeemed from the questionable music choices because he thought it was a youth mass…I don’t see how that makes it any better but hopefully he learned a lesson and will never bring out Queen during the liturgy again!!!
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Sorry.

Suggest you bookmark the documents I highlighted in my earlier post. And a couple of other quotes:

[12.] On the contrary, it is the right of all of Christ’s faithful that the Liturgy, and in particular the celebration of Holy Mass, should truly be as the Church wishes, according to her stipulations as prescribed in the liturgical books and in the other laws and norms. Likewise, the Catholic people have the right that the Sacrifice of the Holy Mass should be celebrated for them in an integral manner, according to the entire doctrine of the Church’s Magisterium. Finally, it is the Catholic community’s right that the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharist should be carried out for it in such a manner that it truly stands out as a sacrament of unity, to the exclusion of all blemishes and actions that might engender divisions and factions in the Church.[32]

And, in case your rights are violated:

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.

Both from The Congregation for the Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments, Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum
 
Faithdancer said:
Go to Mass once a week, arrive in the middle of the second reading and leave right after the Eucharist- which is taken in a desultory manner…/QUOTE]

I have to say, i have never seen anyone arrive that late. Very occasionally somebody gets caught out when we don’t have an opening hymn for some reason, so arrive during the introduction, but that is generally familes with children.

But during the second reading and leaving after communion? Are you sure they are not carers and have slipped out of the house for a snatched minute? Does it happen often in your parish?
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Shocking, is’nt it? Even though the priests ask people to show up on time, it’s chronic in one church that I wasattending.
 
Faithdancer said:
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think that the priests are complacent. But where is the fire in the congregation? Where is the sense of evangelical urgency? Go to Mass once a week, arrive in the middle of the second reading and leave right after the Eucharist- which is taken in a desultory manner…this certainly doesn’t characterize all, but far too many, IMHO. If that isn’t complacency, what is it? Lack of adult catechism, perhaps? I know that is a pet subject of our Pope, and I think he is right on!
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Sadly this description is very familiar to me too. I might add receiving and answering text messages in the middle of mass, and checking watches. Plus not bothering to recite any of the congregational responses, and looking bored. I have also seen people receive the sacrament and then walk straight out of church.
 
liturgyluver said:
Sadly this description is very familiar to me too. I might add receiving and answering text messages in the middle of mass, and checking watches. Plus not bothering to recite any of the congregational responses, and looking bored. I have also seen people receive the sacrament and then walk straight out of church.
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Be careful with the whole assuming one is texting. I have my phone out during mass sometimes but it’s because my missal is ON my phone. So it may look as if I’m reading texts or some such but in reality I am checking to see what’s being read and/or where we are in the Mass.

I’m a new Catholic! I still don’t have the order down pat. I’ve only just learned when to kneel (after the Hosanna!) for the consecration!
 
nickybr38 said:
Be careful with the whole assuming one is texting. I have my phone out during mass sometimes but it’s because my missal is ON my phone. So it may look as if I’m reading texts or some such but in reality I am checking to see what’s being read and/or where we are in the Mass.

I’m a new Catholic! I still don’t have the order down pat. I’ve only just learned when to kneel (after the Hosanna!) for the consecration!
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Well, you mght be right if the phone was studied attentively but what I am talking about is it coming out of the pocket randomely, clicking the keypad, sometimes smiling and then putting away again - this happens especially during the sermon or the offertory. Besides at my parish we have missal booklets with the readings and all the full text of the liturgy so there would be no need to look at the phone.
 
nickybr38 said:
Be careful with the whole assuming one is texting. I have my phone out during mass sometimes but it’s because my missal is ON my phone. So it may look as if I’m reading texts or some such but in reality I am checking to see what’s being read and/or where we are in the Mass.

I’m a new Catholic! I still don’t have the order down pat. I’ve only just learned when to kneel (after the Hosanna!) for the consecration!
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Yes I hear you, I got some sharp looks for having my phone out before Mass- I was quite early so I was reading the Liturgy of the Hours or an Encyclical, anyway it was something Church-related. But others couldn’t have known that!
 
liturgyluver said:
Well, you mght be right if the phone was studied attentively but what I am talking about is it coming out of the pocket randomely, clicking the keypad, sometimes smiling and then putting away again - this happens especially during the sermon or the offertory. Besides at my parish we have missal booklets with the readings and all the full text of the liturgy so there would be no need to look at the phone.
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Oh, we have those too. I prefer my phone. It tells me when to stand, sit, kneel. etc. The missals don’t do that. 🙂 Plus, I don’t have to turn any pages to find the Eucharist, or Creed or whatever, instead it’s all on one handy dandy page.

But yeah, if it’s sneaky like that you have to wonder. The one thing that did irritate me, I will admit, was one fellow who had his nose in his phone during the homily. Come on now… no need for that!!!
 
liturgyluver said:
… Besides at my parish we have missal booklets with the readings and all the full text of the liturgy so there would be no need to look at the phone.
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Unless one required or preferred a different language than that offered by the missalette.
However, I doubt that that such a thing happens very often and I would bet that more often than not such use is frivolous.
 
roadsend said:
Unless one required or preferred a different language than that offered by the missalette.
However, I doubt that that such a thing happens very often and I would bet that more often than not such use is frivolous.
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More and more people are using electronic devices for their missals, liturgy of the hours, prayers, even examination of conscience in preparing for confession. I know of at least one Bishop and quite a few priests who use electronic devices in their prayer life. As long as people silence their devices it is really no one elses business. Even if someone pulls out their phone during Mass it could be that they are double checking that they turned it off.
 
I think, then, there must be a cultural difference between the US and Europe. Here are you are expected (and sometimes instructed!) to switch mobile phones off completely. I do this instintively even if I am just visiting a church to pray - and I have even seen a priest telling someone with a mobile in their hand to put it away. I have noticed the same in Italy and in Germany as well as the UK. That’s why it looks so shocking on the rare occasions that it happens.

But I can see how technology can be used for support for people who need a translation, and am not against that in principle, if it helps them properly paricipate in the mass.
 
emmaberry said:
Allelulia-Another One Bites the Dust by Queen
Eucharistic Prayer-Creep by Radiohead
Sanctus- We Are the Champions by Queen
1st Communion Song-Eye In the Sky by Alan Parson
2nd Communion Song-Twist & Shout by The Beatles
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I can’t imagine how you could sing Alleluia to “another one bites the dust”. Can you sing it for us and post it on youtube or something?
 
liturgyluver said:
I think, then, there must be a cultural difference between the US and Europe. Here are you are expected (and sometimes instructed!) to switch mobile phones off completely. I do this instintively even if I am just visiting a church to pray - and I have even seen a priest telling someone with a mobile in their hand to put it away. I have noticed the same in Italy and in Germany as well as the UK. That’s why it looks so shocking on the rare occasions that it happens.

But I can see how technology can be used for support for people who need a translation, and am not against that in principle, if it helps them properly paricipate in the mass.
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I think it’s that Americans tend to think of even the smallest possible way that something questionable could be right before we condemn it. We’re afraid, I believe.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
I can’t imagine how you could sing Alleluia to “another one bites the dust”. Can you sing it for us and post it on youtube or something?
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I would imagine prolly something like…

~ba-da dum, dum dum…~ “A-le-loo-oo-YA!”
~ba-da dum, dum dum…~ “A-le-loo-oo-YA”

“A-le-loo-oo-ya, A-le-loo-oo-ya, A-le-loo-oo-YA!”

If that makes any sense.

And for my opinion, that kind of stuff does not belong in ANY Mass, youth or otherwise. Where are our youth going to learn how…how glorious and ancient and wonderful and powerful and majestic our Faith is, if it’s sung to this kind of stuff?

(For the record, I love Queen…just not in a MASS. Grr.)
 
Lochias said:
I would imagine prolly something like…

~ba-da dum, dum dum…~ “A-le-loo-oo-YA!”
~ba-da dum, dum dum…~ “A-le-loo-oo-YA”

“A-le-loo-oo-ya, A-le-loo-oo-ya, A-le-loo-oo-YA!”
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Oh my goodness, … was it really like that? I really can’t imagine that happening in real life! :eek:
 
“The mass went like this:
Allelulia-Another One Bites the Dust by Queen
Eucharistic Prayer-Creep by Radiohead
Sanctus- We Are the Champions by Queen
1st Communion Song-Eye In the Sky by Alan Parson
2nd Communion Song-Twist & Shout by The Beatles”

This kind of thing is to be expected: It is common-place now.

Besides that is really good music! and we know the tunes so we can actively participate!
and if the text is approved what’s wrong? I don’t think you can judge these kinds of things.
What do you get when you trade Holy Mother Church's specific guidance on music for 30 pieces of silver? You don't get a Broadway show starring Jesus, but you do get plenty of violence done to the Spirit. The Mass always somehow unites us to HIS passion- whether we like it or not.
 
Lochias said:
I would imagine prolly something like…

~ba-da dum, dum dum…~ “A-le-loo-oo-YA!”
~ba-da dum, dum dum…~ “A-le-loo-oo-YA”

“A-le-loo-oo-ya, A-le-loo-oo-ya, A-le-loo-oo-YA!”

(For the record, I love Queen…just not in a MASS. Grr.)
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yeah that is pretty much how it went
 
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