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Well Norwich 12 - referring again to my post above - and for myself having looked back at the text and tone of the various contributions, noting that in some places (particularly the Eucharist/Mass etc.) that although we dwell upon deep matters and such dwellings are good and proper - methinks that just perhaps there is something missing. I don’t mean the logic etc. of conversation, but that which might be missing to help complete a proper circle of thought so to speak.

For myself I can visualise that the closer we are to Christ, and enclosing ourselves [in degrees] within Him, we can look towards others and see the good in them as a faint resemblance of the good that the Creator sees.

But what is seen and may be missing in this discussion are those qualities possessed by both human and the angelic order alike i.e. the kindly dispositions that haven’t been mentioned so far and that should be incorporated particularly within all these contexts and any others; even up to and including the ‘end times’. So thus consider please:-

Comedy, Mirth, Banter, Curiosity, Surprise.etc.??

[No doubt many more of the like could be mentioned]

As Kirk said one time in Star Trek - ‘Will it made a difference?’.

Paduard.
 
Thank you Pauard for shifting gears. Seeking joy rather than such weighty discussions will be a welcome path less travelled.

I will start with a quote from Blessed Mother Teresa:

“Joy is prayer—Joy is strength—Joy is love—Joy is a net of love by which you can catch souls. God loves a cheerful giver. She gives most who gives with joy. The best way to show our gratitude to God and the people is to accept everything with joy. A joyful heart is the inevitable result of a heart burning with love. Never let anything so fill you with sorrow as to make you forget the joy of the Christ risen.”
 
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Well Norwich 12 - referring again to my post above - and for myself having looked back at the text and tone of the various contributions, noting that in some places (particularly the Eucharist/Mass etc.) that although we dwell upon deep matters and such dwellings are good and proper - methinks that just perhaps there is something missing. I don’t mean the logic etc. of conversation, but that which might be missing to help complete a proper circle of thought so to speak.

For myself I can visualise that the closer we are to Christ, and enclosing ourselves [in degrees] within Him, we can look towards others and see the good in them as a faint resemblance of the good that the Creator sees.

But what is seen and may be missing in this discussion are those qualities possessed by both human and the angelic order alike i.e. the kindly dispositions that haven’t been mentioned so far and that should be incorporated particularly within all these contexts and any others; even up to and including the ‘end times’. So thus consider please:-

Comedy, Mirth, Banter, Curiosity, Surprise.etc.??

[No doubt many more of the like could be mentioned]

As Kirk said one time in Star Trek - ‘Will it made a difference?’.

Paduard.
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PADUARD – HERE IS MORE JOY **

*We all long for heaven where God is, but we have it in our power to be in heaven with him right now–to be happy with him at this very moment. But being happy with him now means:

loving as he loves, helping as he helps, giving as he gives, serving as he serves, rescuing as he rescues, being with him for all the twenty-four hours, touching him in his distressing disguise. *

MOTHER TERESA, A Gift for God
 
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Norwich12:
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PADUARD – HERE IS MORE JOY **

*We all long for heaven where God is, but we have it in our power to be in heaven with him right now–to be happy with him at this very moment. But being happy with him now means:

loving as he loves, helping as he helps, giving as he gives, serving as he serves, rescuing as he rescues, being with him for all the twenty-four hours, touching him in his distressing disguise. *

MOTHER TERESA, A Gift for God

Yes Norwich 12, not only it is good to shift analysis of our passions towards things such as mirth & surprise etc., but also to shift our time-scale which is what you are really suggesting. That is to start from Heaven (where we know that there is no sadness, accusations etc.) and proceeding from there backwards to ourselves in the here and now and thus discussing what degree of enclosure of us withinin Christ can be expressed in terms of more charitable perceptions of others, and to what degree and by what kind of gift?

Paduard
 
Wow Paduard!

As a physician, I have read theology (in a random way) for decades. But I have Never seen theology expressed from a future in Heaven going back in time to the present existence on earth.

How profound. Yet in keeping with the circular model of Eternal Time.

I will think about Heaven in the beginning, now, and in the infinite future.

In the meantime a good starting place is:

GLORIA PATRI, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen.
 
Paduard suggested starting in Heaven and working back to the present existence.

Here is the introduction to the chapter HEAVEN in the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia:

Some are of opinion that heaven is everywhere, as God is everywhere. According to this view the blessed can move about freely in every part of the universe, and still remain with God and see everywhere. Everywhere, too, they remain with Christ (in His sacred Humanity) and with the saints and the angels. For, according to the advocates of this opinion, the spatial distances of this world must no longer impede the mutual intercourse of blessed.
 
Continuing the Encyclopedia’s description
of HEAVEN:

In general, however, theologians deem more appropriate that there should be a special and glorious abode, in which the blessed have their peculiar home and where they usually abide, even though they be free to go about in this world. For the surroundings in the midst of which the blessed have their dwelling must be in accordance with their happy state; and the internal union of charity which joins them in affection must find its outward expression in community of habitation. At the end of the world, the earth together with the celestial bodies will be gloriously transformed into a part of the dwelling-place of the blessed (Revelation 21). Hence there seems to be no sufficient reason for attributing a metaphorical sense to those numerous utterances of the Bible which suggest a definite dwelling-place of the blessed. Theologians, therefore, generally hold that the heaven of the blessed is a special place with definite limits. Naturally, this place is held to exist, not within the earth, but, in accordance with the expressions of Scripture, without and beyond its limits. All further details regarding its locality are quite uncertain. The Church has decided nothing on this subject.
 
Continuing the Encyclopedia’s description
of HEAVEN:

In general, however, theologians deem more appropriate that there should be a special and glorious abode, in which the blessed have their peculiar home and where they usually abide, even though they be free to go about in this world. For the surroundings in the midst of which the blessed have their dwelling must be in accordance with their happy state; and the internal union of charity which joins them in affection must find its outward expression in community of habitation. At the end of the world, the earth together with the celestial bodies will be gloriously transformed into a part of the dwelling-place of the blessed (Revelation 21). Hence there seems to be no sufficient reason for attributing a metaphorical sense to those numerous utterances of the Bible which suggest a definite dwelling-place of the blessed. Theologians, therefore, generally hold that the heaven of the blessed is a special place with definite limits. Naturally, this place is held to exist, not within the earth, but, in accordance with the expressions of Scripture, without and beyond its limits. All further details regarding its locality are quite uncertain. The Church has decided nothing on this subject.
Good tracts supplied Norwich 12.

This is really what I had in mind. You start from Perfection, for at least you have the definition written in stone. What better method to proceed therefore - from what you are certain of and descending to such as us who possess uncertainty and more importantly uncertainty in what degree?

Paduard
 
Thank you Paduard for your imprimatur !

But first before we leave Heaven and put the process in reverse,
I need to post selected verses from the last two chapters of the Bible.
People often think the language describing the New Jerusalem
to be very symbolic and odd.

Yet I find those symbols to be very familiar in the language of neuroanatomy.
Then once I explain my theory, the Eternal City will parallel the Church on Earth.
That is true because the Church is the Head and Body of the Risen Christ.
 
Thank you Paduard for your imprimatur !

But first before we leave Heaven and put the process in reverse,
I need to post selected verses from the last two chapters of the Bible.
People often think the language describing the New Jerusalem
to be very symbolic and odd.

Yet I find those symbols to be very familiar in the language of neuroanatomy.
Then once I explain my theory, the Eternal City will parallel the Church on Earth.
That is true because the Church is the Head and Body of the Risen Christ.
That should be interesting Norwich 12! Look forward to reading it.

Regards,
Parduard
 
In the reverse order method suggested by Paduard, I will list my conclusion first.

The last 2 chapters of Revelation describe the vision of St. John
about the City of Heaven in symbolic form.

IMO some of those symbols describe structures in the human skull
and brain.

Therefore fulfilling the Image of God statement in Genesis 1:27.
 
I will now gradually make several posts about my interpretation of the some of the symbols describing the City of Heaven as they appear in the Revelation to St. John.

*Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth. The former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
I also saw the holy city, a new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. *(Revelation 21:1-2 in the New American Bible)

In the Bible and now, white is the traditional color for the wedding gown.

And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of great thunders, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord our God the Almighty hath reigned. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give glory to him; for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath prepared herself. And it is granted to her that she should clothe herself with fine linen, glittering and white. For the fine linen are the justifications of saints. (Revelation Chapter 19:6-8 in the Douay-Rheims Bible)

In my experience as a surgeon, regardless of age, gender, and color of the skin – the skull is always milky white. I hope to show that the symbols describe anatomic structures of the human skull and brain. If so, this neuroanotomy in symbolic form applies to the Son of Man and His Church.
 
I will now gradually make several posts about my interpretation of the some of the symbols describing the City of Heaven as they appear in the Revelation to St. John.

*Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth. The former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
I also saw the holy city, a new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. *(Revelation 21:1-2 in the New American Bible)
For myself Norwich 12; I am taking a rather cautious approach to the several ‘deep’ matters raised in your last two post; part of which I have quoted above and wish to comment on.

Initially I prefer to take each quote bit by bit whilst at the same time proceeding in the direction of starting with perfection downwards to imperfection. So thus let me comment on part of your text reading as follows:-

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth. The former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.

So I ask myself what was meant by heaven, earth, and sea? Well I suppose anyone could make a reasonable interpretation as each individual thinks fit. For me I try to visualize John after his relevation as looking down to his feet and seeing earth, looking upwards and seeing the sky, stars etc. and looking along and seeing the sea as distinct from land. That for me is simplistic but others no doubt would delve a little deeper.

Next I look at section 400 of the Catechism of The Catholic Church and what Norwich 12 do I read:-

*400 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination.282 **Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.283 Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.284 [Rom:8.21] ** Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”,285 for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history.286 *

So I thought it reasonable to connect the lot together i.e. we start with all of creation - the universe and all - proceeding through God’s Potential to perfection - at the second coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. In other words nothing that exists is ever destroyed; merely perfected in its operations. Thus - even taking a chance and going into science - such e.g. the ‘red-shift’ will align itself accordingly.

Kindest Regards,
Paduard.
 
Thanks Paduard – your plan to discuss Creation through the End Times is more ambitious than my theory comparing the **City of Heaven (Rev 21 & 22) to the human skull and brain. **

I can refer readers to my November 2013 posts #113 - 116 on page 8 of this long thread titled Lumen Fidei.

The most striking comparisons that I made was the human skull with foramina (gates) for the 12 pairs of cranial nerves and the wall around the Heavenly City with 12 gates;

The sella turcica which houses our pituitary gland (Master Gland) compared to the Throne of God;

The ventricles and channels for the spinal fluid compared to the river flowing from the Throne with the Water of Life;

And there are others that I could present.
 
For myself Norwich 12; I am taking a rather cautious approach to the several ‘deep’ matters raised in your last two post; part of which I have quoted above and wish to comment on.

Initially I prefer to take each quote bit by bit whilst at the same time proceeding in the direction of starting with perfection downwards to imperfection. So thus let me comment on part of your text reading as follows:-

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth. The former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.

So I ask myself what was meant by heaven, earth, and sea? Well I suppose anyone could make a reasonable interpretation as each individual thinks fit. For me I try to visualize John after his relevation as looking down to his feet and seeing earth, looking upwards and seeing the sky, stars etc. and looking along and seeing the sea as distinct from land. That for me is simplistic but others no doubt would delve a little deeper.

Next I look at section 400 of the Catechism of The Catholic Church and what Norwich 12 do I read:-

*400 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination.282 **Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.283 Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.284 [Rom:8.21] *** Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”,285 for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history.286

So I thought it reasonable to connect the lot together i.e. we start with all of creation - the universe and all - proceeding through God’s Potential to perfection - at the second coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. In other words nothing that exists is ever destroyed; merely perfected in its operations. Thus - even taking a chance and going into science - such e.g. the ‘red-shift’ will align itself accordingly.

Kindest Regards,
Paduard.

Thank you Paduard – I will offer this paragraph (relating to Creation) from the fantastic work of St. Bonaventure:

Journey of the Mind into God-St Bonaventure

Itinerarium Mentis ad Deum

THE MIND’S ROAD TO GOD
Saint Bonaventura: 1221-1274

GEORGE BOAS
THE JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY
July, 1953

CHAPTER TWO

OF THE REFLECTION OF GOD IN HIS TRACES IN THE SENSIBLE WORLD
  1. These all, however, are traces in which we can see the reflection of our
    God. For since the apprehended species is a likeness produced in the medium
    and then impressed upon the organ itself, and by means of that impression
    leads to its principle and source–that is to say, to the object of
    knowledge–manifestly it follows that the eternal light generates out of
    itself a likeness or coequal radiance which is consubstantial and
    coeternal. And He Who is the image and likeness of the invisible God [Col.,
    1, 15] and “the brightness of His glory and the figure of His substance”
    [Hebr., 1, 3], He Who is everywhere through His primal generation, as an
    object generates its likeness in the whole medium, is united by the grace
    of union to an individual of rational nature–as a species to a corporeal
    organ–so that by that union He may lead us back to the Father as to the
    primordial source and object. If then all knowable things can generate
    their likeness (species), obviously they proclaim that in them as in a
    mirror can be seen the eternal generation of the Word, the Image, and the
    Son, eternally emanating from God the Father.
 
Paduard – you and St. Bonaventure have led us back to the Encyclical LUMEN FIDEI.

Journey of the Mind into God-St Bonaventure

CHAPTER THREE

OF THE REFLECTION OF GOD IN HIS IMAGE STAMPED UPON OUR NATURAL POWERS

(From paragraph 3 of Chapter 3) The intellect is said to comprehend truly the meaning of propositions when it knows with certitude that they are true. And to know this is simply to
know, since error is impossible in comprehension of this sort. For it knows
that such truth cannot be otherwise than it is. It knows, therefore, that
such truth is unchangeable. But since our mind itself is changeable, it
cannot see that truth shining forth unchangeably except by some light
shining without change in any way; and it is impossible that such a light
be a mutable creature. Therefore it knows in that light which enlighteneth
every man that cometh into this world [John, 1, 9], which is true light and
the Word which in the beginning was with God [John, 1, 1].


**LUMEN FIDEI **– by Pope Francis

A light to be recovered
  1. There is an urgent need, then, to see once again that faith is a light, for once the flame of faith dies out, all other lights begin to dim. The light of faith is unique, since it is capable of illuminating every aspect of human existence. A light this powerful cannot come from ourselves but from a more primordial source: in a word, it must come from God. Faith is born of an encounter with the living God who calls us and reveals his love, a love which precedes us and upon which we can lean for security and for building our lives. Transformed by this love, we gain fresh vision, new eyes to see; we realize that it contains a great promise of fulfilment, and that a vision of the future opens up before us. Faith, received from God as a supernatural gift, becomes a light for our way, guiding our journey through time. On the one hand, it is a light coming from the past, the light of the foundational memory of the life of Jesus which revealed his perfectly trustworthy love, a love capable of triumphing over death. Yet since Christ has risen and draws us beyond death, faith is also a light coming from the future and opening before us vast horizons which guide us beyond our isolated selves towards the breadth of communion. We come to see that faith does not dwell in shadow and gloom; it is a light for our darkness. Dante, in the Divine Comedy, after professing his faith to Saint Peter, describes that light as a “spark, which then becomes a burning flame and like a heavenly star within me glimmers”.[4] It is this light of faith that I would now like to consider, so that it can grow and enlighten the present, becoming a star to brighten the horizon of our journey at a time when mankind is particularly in need of light
 
Paduard – you and St. Bonaventure have led us back to the Encyclical LUMEN FIDEI.

Journey of the Mind into God-St Bonaventure

CHAPTER THREE

OF THE REFLECTION OF GOD IN HIS IMAGE STAMPED UPON OUR NATURAL POWERS

(From paragraph 3 of Chapter 3) The intellect is said to comprehend truly the meaning of propositions when it knows with certitude that they are true. And to know this is simply to
know, since error is impossible in comprehension of this sort. For it knows
that such truth cannot be otherwise than it is. It knows, therefore, that
such truth is unchangeable. But since our mind itself is changeable, it
cannot see that truth shining forth unchangeably except by some light
shining without change in any way; and it is impossible that such a light
be a mutable creature. Therefore it knows in that light which enlighteneth
every man that cometh into this world [John, 1, 9], which is true light and
the Word which in the beginning was with God [John, 1, 1].


**LUMEN FIDEI **– by Pope Francis

A light to be recovered
  1. There is an urgent need, then, to see once again that faith is a light, for once the flame of faith dies out, all other lights begin to dim. The light of faith is unique, since it is capable of illuminating every aspect of human existence. A light this powerful cannot come from ourselves but from a more primordial source: in a word, it must come from God. Faith is born of an encounter with the living God who calls us and reveals his love, a love which precedes us and upon which we can lean for security and for building our lives. Transformed by this love, we gain fresh vision, new eyes to see; we realize that it contains a great promise of fulfilment, and that a vision of the future opens up before us. Faith, received from God as a supernatural gift, becomes a light for our way, guiding our journey through time. On the one hand, it is a light coming from the past, the light of the foundational memory of the life of Jesus which revealed his perfectly trustworthy love, a love capable of triumphing over death. Yet since Christ has risen and draws us beyond death, faith is also a light coming from the future and opening before us vast horizons which guide us beyond our isolated selves towards the breadth of communion. We come to see that faith does not dwell in shadow and gloom; it is a light for our darkness. Dante, in the Divine Comedy, after professing his faith to Saint Peter, describes that light as a “spark, which then becomes a burning flame and like a heavenly star within me glimmers”.[4] It is this light of faith that I would now like to consider, so that it can grow and enlighten the present, becoming a star to brighten the horizon of our journey at a time when mankind is particularly in need of light
Norwich 12 - the enbolded type in your last contribution emphasises the encyclical’s pointers towards the past, present & future’s integration of what has been and what is to come - as consistently discussed within these many pages.

We haven’t yet gotten to the ‘end game’; but where do you wish to go next?🙂

Paduard
 
Norwich 12 - the enbolded type in your last contribution emphasises the encyclical’s pointers towards the past, present & future’s integration of what has been and what is to come - as consistently discussed within these many pages.

We haven’t yet gotten to the ‘end game’; but where do you wish to go next?🙂

Paduard

Thank you Paduard. On the subject of End Times,
there is a papal address from 2008 on the Vatican website.
I will post it in sections (because of its length).
 
BENEDICT XVI

GENERAL AUDIENCE

St. Peter’s Square
Wednesday, 12 November 2008
Saint Paul (12)

Eschatology : the Expectation of the Parusia.

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

The subject of the Resurrection on which we reflected last week unfolds a new perspective, that of the expectation of the Lord’s return. It thus brings us to ponder on the relationship among the present time, the time of the Church and of the Kingdom of Christ, and the future (éschaton) that lies in store for us, when Christ will consign the Kingdom to his Father (cf. 1 Cor 15: 24). Every Christian discussion of the last things, called eschatology, always starts with the event of the Resurrection; in this event the last things have already begun and, in a certain sense, are already present.

Very likely it was in the year 52 that St Paul wrote the first of his Letters, the First Letter to the Thessalonians, in which he speaks of this return of Jesus, called parusia or advent, his new, definitive and manifest presence (cf. 4: 13-18). The Apostle wrote these words to the Thessalonians who were beset by doubts and problems: “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose, God will bring forth with him from the dead those who have fallen asleep” (4: 14). And Paul continues: “those who have died in Christ will rise first. Then we, the living, the survivors, will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Thenceforth we shall be with the Lord unceasingly” (4: 16-17). Paul describes Christ’s parusia in especially vivid tones and with symbolic imagery which, however, conveys a simple and profound message: we shall ultimately be with the Lord for ever. Over and above the images, this is the essential message: our future is “to be with the Lord”. As believers, we are already with the Lord in our lifetime; our future, eternal life, has already begun.

In his Second Letter to the Thessalonians, Paul changes his perspective. He speaks of the negative incidents that must precede the final and conclusive event. We must not let ourselves be deceived, he says, to think that, according to chronological calculations, the day of the Lord is truly imminent: “On the question of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we beg you, brothers, not to be so easily agitated or terrified, whether by an oracular utterance, or rumor, or a letter alleged to be ours, into believing that the day of the Lord is here. Let no one seduce you, no matter how” (2: 1-3). The continuation of this text announces that before the Lord’s arrival there will be apostasy, and one well described as the “man of lawlessness”, “the son of perdition” (2: 3) must be revealed, who tradition would come to call the Antichrist. However the intention of St Paul’s Letter is primarily practical. He writes: “Indeed, when we were with you, we used to lay down the rule that who would not work, should not eat. We hear that some of you are unruly, not keeping busy but acting like busybodies. We enjoin all such and we urge them strongly in the Lord Jesus Christ, to earn the food they eat by working quietly” (3: 10-12). In other words, the expectation of Jesus’ parusia does not dispense us from working in this world but, on the contrary, creates responsibility to the divine Judge for our actions in this world. For this very reason our responsibility for working in and for this world increases. We shall see the same thing next Sunday in the Gospel of the Talents, in which the Lord tells us that he has entrusted talents to everyone and that the Judge will ask for an account of them saying: have they been put to good use? Hence the expectation of his return implies responsibility for this world.

The same thing and the same connection between parusia the return of the Judge/Saviour and our commitment in our lives appears in another context and with new aspects in the Letter to the Philippians. Paul is in prison, awaiting a sentence that might be condemnation to death. In this situation he is reflecting on his future existence with the Lord, but he is also thinking of the community of the Philippians who need their father, Paul, and he writes: “For me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the flesh, that means productive toil for me and I do not know which to prefer. I am strongly attracted by both: I long to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better; yet it is more urgent that I remain alive for your sakes. This fills me with confidence that I will stay with you, and persevere with you all, for your joy and progress in the faith. My being with you once again should give you ample cause to glory in Christ” (1: 21-26). Paul has no fear of death; indeed, on the contrary, death indicates being totally with Christ. Yet Paul also shares in the sentiments of Christ who did not live for himself but for us. Living for others becomes his life and plan thus demonstrates his perfect readiness to do God’s will, to do whatever God decides. Above all he is prepared, in the future as well, to live on this earth for others, to live for Christ, to live for his living presence and thus for the renewal of the world. We see that his being with Christ creates an broad inner freedom: freedom in the face of the threat of death but also freedom in the face of all life’s commitments and sufferings. He is simply at God’s disposal and truly free.​

I will post the second half of the papal address tomorrow.
 
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