Luman Fidei encyclical letter

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“On 24 November, the bones will be displayed in St Peter’s Square at a Mass celebrated by Pope Francis to conclude the Year of Faith, a year set aside by Pope Benedict XVI for Catholics to rediscover and share their faith with others.” (newspaper article)

Two very recent threads have been started on the Forum to discuss why Pope Francis decided to display the bones of St Peter at this time.

I think a hint is in a sentence (post #138 on this Lumen Fidei thread) where Paduard used two words:

“Advent” and “adverting” – I had to look up the unfamiliar word which comes from Latin and French meaning “turning attention to.”

IMO, Pope Francis wanted to turn attention, after the Year of Faith," to Advent which leads up to the Coming of the Son of God into the physical world.

But Christ arose from the dead and weeks later the Ascension.

Years later Mary was bodily assumed into Heaven.

So what body parts remain of both human participants in the Incarnation?

None. But St. Peter, the first Vicar of Christ, is in that succession.
So his bony remains are displayed to represent the beginning of Christianity which divided
Time on earth into BC and AC.

Res ipsa loquitur: the bones speak for themselves!
 
*"But Christ arose from the dead and weeks later the Ascension.

Years later Mary was bodily assumed into Heaven.

So what body parts remain of both human participants in the Incarnation?

None. But St. Peter, the first Vicar of Christ, is in that succession.
So his bony remains are displayed to represent the beginning of Christianity which divided
Time on earth into BC and AC.

Res ipsa loquitur: the bones speak for themselves! "*

Good post Norwich 12.

But no body parts remain of both human participants in the Incarnation. Christ and Our Blessed Lady, as you will be quite aware of, are both body & soul in Heaven.

Not so for St.Peter. True his bony remains still exist - as a shadow so to speak of his living body whilst on earth - ? just as a shadow exists within a computer even after a deletion.🙂

Paduard.
 
Thank you Paduard.

But what I was trying to say about dead bones speaking for themselves, was a comparison to the words of our Lord in Luke 19:40.

He [Jesus] said in reply, “I tell you, if they [disciples] keep silent, the stones will cry out!”

I imagined that Pope Francis thought if the Christian world did not respond to his concern for the poor of all the world, that St. Peter’s bones would speak out in support.
 
Thank you for that Norwich l2. And for pointing out how I misunderstood you. You are quite correct.

As for the Christian world not responding; I think what you have imagined is very likely to be close to the truth; not only as regards the poor but on other deliveries also.

God Bless,
Paduard
 
**Jesus is the Light of the World **-- John 8:12.

IMO the 3 key words of the first Encyclical by Pope Francis are LIGHT FAITH LOVE.

Here is a paragraph from the Year of the Eucharist 2004-5 from Catholic Culture:

*The Eucharist is a mystery of Light. Throughout the season of Advent the Church points to the coming of the Light of the World. We are awaiting the birth of the Messiah. The Liturgy commemorates salvation history, the prophets and the people of the Old Testament, waiting in darkness to see the Light. Mary was the first tabernacle, carrying Christ in her womb. She is “woman of the Eucharist” and our model. By putting Holy Mass and the Eucharist at the center of our lives, and being “taught” by Mary, we will enter more deeply in Christ’s coming, and God prepares our souls for the coming of His Son. *

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IMO the 3 key words of the first Encyclical by Pope Francis are LIGHT FAITH LOVE.

Yes I agree that your concept is important.

For my part:-

Here is an extact from the Encyclical itself:-

22……… Christ is the mirror in which they find their own image fully realized……. For those who have been transformed in this way, a new way of seeing opens up, faith becomes light for their eyes.

God Bless
Paduard
 

Thank you Paduard.

“Christ is the mirror” sounds like what St. Paul wrote in
1st Corinthians 13:12
“At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face.”

I re-read Section 22 about Ecclesial Faith. I located where you obtained the quotes.
I saw a little farther down that with that faith as part of the Body of Christ we would
not be a cog in a machine but be in “…the vital union of Christ with believers…”

Are the analogies of seeing ourself in Christ the mirror and the vital union with Christ;
Does this approach apotheosis?
 

Thank you Paduard.

“Christ is the mirror” sounds like what St. Paul wrote in
1st Corinthians 13:12
“At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face.”

I re-read Section 22 about Ecclesial Faith. I located where you obtained the quotes.
I saw a little farther down that with that faith as part of the Body of Christ we would
not be a cog in a machine but be in “…the vital union of Christ with believers…”

Are the analogies of seeing ourself in Christ the mirror and the vital union with Christ;
Does this approach apotheosis?
Thank you Norwich12 - I will look up your reference to ‘further down’ and come back to it.

Apotheosis??? - god/gods [small g] - Almighty God [cap G]…:)…???

Paduard.
 
Yes Paduard - I agree that the usual meaning of Theosis would be man becoming a god.

But I interpreted the Pope’s presentation of humans united to Christ to be what is described
in an article “Theosis” in OrthodoxWiki:

“Although the doctrine of theosis came to be neglected in the Western Church, it was clearly taught in the Roman Catholic tradition as late as the 13th century by Thomas Aquinas, who taught that “full participation in divinity which is humankind’s true beatitude and the destiny of human life” (Summa Theologiae 3.1.2)”
 
My apologies to Paduard and the Forum.
At the end post #147 I typed “apotheosis”
while thinking of the concept of Theosis.
 
Yes Paduard - I agree that the usual meaning of Theosis would be man becoming a god.

But I interpreted the Pope’s presentation of humans united to Christ to be what is described
in an article “Theosis” in OrthodoxWiki:

“Although the doctrine of theosis came to be neglected in the Western Church, it was clearly taught in the Roman Catholic tradition as late as the 13th century by Thomas Aquinas, who taught that “full participation in divinity which is humankind’s true beatitude and the destiny of human life” (Summa Theologiae 3.1.2)”
Before returning to the topic of LIGHT Norwich12; I don’t think we can go into the question of discussing Orthodox theology on this topic. What your reference refers to is the Orthodox doctrine of Hesycham (Quietists) promulgated by the Orthodox theologian Gregory Palamas - regarded by them as a Saint; but most certainly not regarded as such within Roman Catholicism.

I will return to the current discussion shortly.

Kind Regards,
Paduard.
 
Yes Paduard – I quite agree. We must get back to the topic of the Light of Faith in Christ.
That Light provides our energy for the Imitation of Christ.

But in no way are we deified. Our role is always as described by the closing of our frequent
Hail Mary prayers:

PRAY FOR US SINNERS, now and at the hour of our death.

Amen.
 
This is how the Light of Faith came into the World:

Gospel reading for the 4th Sunday in Advent (usccb.org)

“This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about.
When his mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph,
but before they lived together,
she was found with child through the Holy Spirit.
Joseph her husband, since he was a righteous man,
yet unwilling to expose her to shame,
decided to divorce her quietly.
Such was his intention when, behold,
the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said,
“Joseph, son of David,
do not be afraid to take Mary your wife into your home.
For it is through the Holy Spirit
that this child has been conceived in her.
She will bear a son and you are to name him Jesus,
because he will save his people from their sins.”
All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and they shall name him Emmanuel,
which means “God is with us.”
When Joseph awoke,
he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him
and took his wife into his home.”
 
The Fullness of Christian Faith (from LUMEN FIDEI)
  1. “Christ’s death discloses the utter reliability of God’s love above all in the light of his resurrection. As the risen one, Christ is the trustworthy witness, deserving of faith (cf. Rev 1:5; Heb 2:17), and a solid support for our faith. “If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile”, says Saint Paul (1 Cor 15:17). Had the Father’s love not caused Jesus to rise from the dead, had it not been able to restore his body to life, then it would not be a completely reliable love, capable of illuminating also the gloom of death. When Saint Paul describes his new life in Christ, he speaks of “faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me” (Gal 2:20). Clearly, this “faith in the Son of God” means Paul’s faith in Jesus, but it also presumes that Jesus himself is worthy of faith, based not only on his having loved us even unto death but also on his divine sonship. Precisely because Jesus is the Son, because he is absolutely grounded in the Father, he was able to conquer death and make the fullness of life shine forth. Our culture has lost its sense of God’s tangible presence and activity in our world. We think that God is to be found in the beyond, on another level of reality, far removed from our everyday relationships. But if this were the case, if God could not act in the world, his love would not be truly powerful, truly real, and thus not even true, a love capable of delivering the bliss that it promises. It would make no difference at all whether we believed in him or not. Christians, on the contrary, profess their faith in God’s tangible and powerful love which really does act in history and determines its final destiny: a love that can be encountered, a love fully revealed in Christ’s passion, death and resurrection.”

In everyday life-- whether as a laborer, lawyer, licensed physician, or a lucky person–
We encounter the risen Lord in every human interaction.​

And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’

Matthew 25:40 New American Bible
 
I appreciate your reference to section 17 Norwich 12. Have no problem with that.

However, for myself I am inclined to harp back to

**21…… In the love of Jesus, we receive in a certain way his vision……

22……… For those who have been transformed in this way, a new way of seeing opens up,….**

If you re-meditate on these [which I already contributed towards earlier on during this topic] you will find yourself in good company. As set out below:-

**“””And I heard Him say also: “Labour thou not to hold Me within thyself enclosed, but enclose thou thyself within Me.” **

***(Source: St.Teresa of Avila…… Relations III. p.447)

I will expand more in the New Year.
Happy New Year All.
God Bless
Paduard
 
I appreciate your reference to section 17 Norwich 12. Have no problem with that.

However, for myself I am inclined to harp back to

**21…… In the love of Jesus, we receive in a certain way his vision……

22……… For those who have been transformed in this way, a new way of seeing opens up,….**

If you re-meditate on these [which I already contributed towards earlier on during this topic] you will find yourself in good company. As set out below:-

**“””And I heard Him say also: “Labour thou not to hold Me within thyself enclosed, but enclose thou thyself within Me.” **

***(Source: St.Teresa of Avila…… Relations III. p.447)

I will expand more in the New Year.
Happy New Year All.
God Bless
Paduard
Further to my post above - initially I think the best way to express my opinion is to repeat a passage written earlier within this topic. viz:-

I therefore re-iterate the suggestion that ‘configuredto Jesus, does not imply any direction. We do not face Christ, nor do we follow behind Him (e.g. as in his footsteps) – but what we achieve is a kind of - being within Christ (e.g. similar to baptism where we are buried with Christ).
In other words configuredto is a state. And as a state it is not in my opinion an infused state as in contemplation, but a state by ‘gift’ so to speak open to all Christians – Catholics and non-Catholics alike - according to their individual love of Christ and hopefully therefrom to rest in God’s good will.


From this you will see some connection with the imaginative vision received by St. Teresa some 300yrs or so earlier and with the extracts from the present encyclical by Pope Francis.

In other words I think they are more or less saying the same thing.

Paduard
 
Thank you Paduard-- you always have profound thoughts expressed clearly in your posts.

May I complete the triangle of St. Teresa and Pope Francis by listing St. Paul who wrote about the same theme of the Body of Christ?

Here is an excerpt from an article in the CNA in January of 2009.
It is titled “St. Paul’s teachings on the Body of Christ” written by
Brian Pizzalato:​

The various parts of the body have different purposes, so too do we in the Body of Christ. We each have our own gifts. However, the gifts possessed by each member we do not have by random chance. “…We have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us…” (Romans 12:6). God himself has given them to us. As a result St. Paul says, “…exercise them: if prophecy, in proportion to the faith; if ministry, in ministering; if one is a teacher, in teaching; if one exhorts, in exhortation; if one contributes, in generosity; if one is over others, in diligence; if one does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness” (Romans 12:6-8).​

Thank you for your ecumenical wording regarding the faithful members of the Body.
 
This is a document from the papacy of Blessed John Paul II (Vatican website)

The Church Is the Body of Christ
General Audience November 20, 1991

St. Paul uses the metaphor of the body to represent the Church. He says: “For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or freemen, and we were all given to drink of one Spirit” (1 Cor 12:13). It is a new image. While the concept of the “People of God” which we explained in the preceding catecheses belongs to the Old Testament and is taken up again and enriched in the New Testament, the image of the body of Christ, which Vatican II also used in speaking about the Church, has no precedents in the Old Testament. It is found in the Pauline letters, which we shall especially refer to in this catechesis. This concept has been studied by exegetes and theologians of our century in its Pauline origin, in the patristic and theological tradition which derives from it, and in the validity which it also possesses for presenting the Church today. It was also employed by the papal Magisterium. Pope Pius XII devoted a memorable encyclical to it, with the title of Mystici Corporis Christi (1943).

We must also note that in the Pauline letters we do not find the adjective “mystical,” which only appears later; the letters speak of the body of Christ simply and with a realistic comparison to the human body. The Apostle writes: “As a body is one though it has many parts, and all the parts of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ” (1 Cor 12:12).

With these words the Apostle intends to highlight both the unity and multiplicity which is proper to the Church. “For as in one body we have many parts, and all the parts do not have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in Christ and individually parts of one another” (Rom 12:4-5). It may be said that, although the concept of People of God highlights the multiplicity, that of body of Christ emphasizes the unity within this multiplicity, pointing out especially the principle and source of this unity: Christ. “You are Christ’s body, and individually parts of it” (1 Cor 12:27). “We, though many, are one body in Christ” (Rom 12:5). Therefore, this concept highlights the unity of Christ and the Church, and the unity of the Church’s many members among themselves, in virtue of the unity of the entire body with Christ.

The body is an organism which, precisely as an organism, expresses the need for cooperation among the individual organs and parts in the unity of the whole, which is put together and structured in such a way, according to St. Paul, “that there may be no division in the body, but that the parts may have the same concern for one another” (1 Cor 12:25). “Indeed, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are all the more necessary” (1 Cor 12:22). We are, the Apostle adds, “individually parts of one another” (Rom 12:5) in the body of Christ, the Church. The multiplicity of the members and the variety of their functions cannot damage this unity, just as, on the other hand, this unity cannot cancel or destroy the multiplicity and variety of the members and their functions.

The need for “biological” harmony in the human organism is applied analogously in theological language to indicate the necessity of solidarity among all the members of the Church community. The Apostle writes: “If one part suffers, all the parts suffer with it; if one part is honored, all the parts share its joy” (1 Cor 12:26).

Thus, the concept of Church as the body of Christ can be said to complement the concept of People of God. The same reality is expressed according to the two aspects of unity and multiplicity by two different analogies.

The analogy of the body especially highlights the unity of life: the Church’s members are united with one another through the principle of unity in an identical life which comes from Christ. “Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?” (1 Cor 6:15). It is a spiritual life; in fact, it is life in the Holy Spirit. We read in Lumen Gentium: “By communicating his Spirit, Christ made his brothers, called together from all nations, mystically the components of his own body” (LG 7). In this way, Christ himself is “the head of the body, the Church” (Col 1:18). The condition for participating in the life of this body is the bond with the head, that is, with him “from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and bonds, achieves the growth that comes from God” (Col 2:19).

The Pauline concept of the head (Christ, the head of the body which is the Church) signifies first of all the power which he possesses over the whole body. It is a supreme power, in regard to which we read in Ephesians that God “put all things beneath his feet and gave him as head over all things to the Church” (Eph 1:22). As head, Christ fills the Church, his body, with his divine life, so that all may grow “into him who is the head, Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, with the proper functioning of each part, brings about the body’s growth and builds itself up in love” (Eph 4:15-16).

As head of the Church, Christ is the principle and source of cohesion among the members of his body (cf. Col 2:19). He is the principle and source of growth in the Spirit: from him the entire body grows and “builds itself up in love” (Eph 4:16). This is the reason for the Apostle’s exhortation to live “the truth in love” (Eph 4:15). The spiritual growth of the Church’s body and its individual members is a growth “from Christ” (the principle) and also “into Christ” (the goal). The Apostle tells us this when he finishes his exhortation with these words: “Living the truth in love, we should grow in every way into him who is the head, Christ” (Eph 4:15).

(to be continued, because of length)
 
The remainder of the document by Blessed John Paul II in 1991

Please see my post above for the majority of the paragraphs.

We must add that the doctrine of the Church as body of Christ, the head, has a close connection with the Eucharist. The Apostle asks: “The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the Blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the Body of Christ?” (1 Cor 10:16). Obviously, this refers to the personal Body of Christ which we receive in a sacramental way in the Eucharist under the appearance of bread. But St. Paul continues his discourse in answer to the question raised: “Because the loaf of bread is one, we though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf” (1 Cor 10:17). This “one body” comprises all the members of the Church who are spiritually united to the head, who is the Person of Christ.

The Eucharist, as the sacrament of the personal Body and Blood of Christ, forms the Church, which is the social body of Christ in the unity of all the members of the ecclesial community. We will have to be content for now with the taste of a wonderful Christian truth, which we will speak about again when, God willing, we discuss the Eucharist.
 
“The Eucharist, as the sacrament of the personal Body and Blood of Christ, forms the Church, which is the social body of Christ in the unity of all the members of the ecclesial community. We will have to be content for now with the taste of a wonderful Christian truth, which we will speak about again when, God willing, we discuss the Eucharist.”

Yes I agree Norwich 12 - God willing.

Do you wish to return again to the ‘understanding’ etc. I mean do you wish me to revive
p.3. contribution 45?

We didn’t get very far that time, but you never know; for after all this time others may wish to back-track.

God Bless,
Paduard.
 
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