Mandatory mask poll

[RolandThompsonGunner]

I think we finally got to the root of this.
Allow me to reiterate it below…

Totally fair encapsulation. If you don’t believe that regulating individual conduct for the collective good is ever legitimate, then yes, based on the philosophy, any regulations about masks are illegitimate.

Of course, that philosophy is also at odds with the idea of law itself, so I hope you’re posting this from some kind of anarchy-syndicalist commune in the woods.

 

[meltzerboy2]

Or signal trust in the President. Why does everything we do or do not do have to be political?

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

So, to my anarchistic friends @RuthAnne and @vz71, let’s follow the train of thought a bit.

If I want to drive 90 mph with a .2 BAC against traffic on the highway, does society have any right to tell me I can’t?

 

[RuthAnne]

I hope you’re posting this from some kind of anarchy-syndicalist commune in the woods.

Well, I am an anarchist and I’m surrounded by ten acres which I quite enjoy. So thank you for noticing!

 

[vz71]

Totally fair encapsulation. If you don’t believe that regulating individual conduct for the collective good is ever legitimate, then yes, based on the philosophy, any regulations about masks are illegitimate.

I am not convinced there is a common good to be had there.

 

[RuthAnne]

If I want to drive 90 mph with a .2 BAC against traffic on the highway, does society have any right to tell me I can’t?

Of course not. Society doesn’t have rights. People have rights.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

Of course not. Society doesn’t have rights. People have rights.

So all law is per se illegitimate?

I have to give you credit, at least you’re consistent.

 

[vz71]

If I want to drive 90 mph with a .2 BAC against traffic on the highway, does society have any right to tell me I can’t?

Yes.
There is a specific good to be found there.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

No. The state should not. Besides, you’d all be dead before the state even knew what happened.

Yes, yes, you’re very tough. Cool. It’s just a hypothetical.

So, we should all just live in a state of nature? Nasty, brutish and short?

 

[RuthAnne]

So all law is per se illegitimate?

Laws are legitimate. Anarchists respect laws.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

Yes.
There is a specific good to be found there.

Ok, but at least you agree with the principle that the state can legitimately regulate an individuals behavior.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

Laws are legitimate. Anarchists respect laws.

Where do laws come from in the absence of a state? Just the guy with the most guns?

 

[RuthAnne]

So, we should all just live in a state of nature? Nasty, brutish and short?

All? Why would I presume to tell you how you should live? I’m not the control freak.

 

[RuthAnne]

Where do laws come from in the absence of a state?

Laws are unalienable. They come from God.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

Laws are unalienable. They come from God.

What if we disagree about how the divine law applies in a particular case? Who gets to adjudicate our dispute? Do we just have to fight?

 

[RuthAnne]

If you’re asking for the anarchist answer to that question, you won’t get it here. It’s a little more detail than I care to get into. Perhaps you could do some research on anarchy if you’re truly interested.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

I mean, in all seriousness, I do have to admit that while I think your philosophy is straight up insane, I have to give you credit for internal consistency and having the guts to follow your logic to it’s conclusion.

 

[Padres1969]

Absolutely support the mandatory orders. People in the US have been refusing to wear them voluntarily in far too great numbers when they’re effective in helping slow the spread of disease based on selfish individualistic nonsense. We seem to be the only first world country with this problem and lack of collective empathy. Frankly it’s been disgusting to watch.

 

[puer.dei]

You feel a need to control my behavior.

That’s not the point of any of this. You just choose to portray it that way. I won’t speculate on why.

 

[RuthAnne]

That’s not the point of any of this

That’s the whole point of it. It’s all about control.