Mandatory mask poll

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tuffsmurf said:
If antibodies doesn’t confer immunity, then there can neither be a vaccine nor herd immunity. So then we can all lay down and die I guess.
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@Jen95 already replied with a good link Just wanted to add that it is likely that COVID-19 antibodies may be protective but there are not enough data yet.
Vaccines could work well if they induce the production of protective antibodies but, for certain diseases, the vaccine needs to induce also a good cellular immune response to be effective. In other words there is always hope for an effective vaccine even if antibodies are not protective.
 
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Apart from people who have lung diseases and cannot breathe with masks, the only ones excluded from mask wearing are bank robbers.
 
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Polio vaccine makes you immune. Polio infection makes you immune.
If the infection itself doesn’t grant immunity, then no vaccine can be developed. One example of this is calici viruses.
 
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tuffsmurf said:
Vaccines can never achieve better immunity than the infection itself
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Tell that to a polio survivor. Sometimes the immunity achieved by having the disease carries with it a whole host of side effects.

There are already multiple reports of long-lasting or permanent lung damage, heart damage and other health consequences of this disease.
 
tuffsmurf said:
Polio vaccine makes you immune. Polio infection makes you immune.
If the infection itself doesn’t grant immunity, then no vaccine can be developed.
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The infection develops your immunity but also damages your body. A good vaccine should confer protection from infection without the person experiencing the devastating effects of a disease.
 
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Yes and I am absolutely pro vaccines. But if it isn’t possible to achieve immunity through having the disease, it will sadly not be possible to achieve it by vaccine either.
 
It doesn’t have to be the majority. The fact that more managers are now letting people go than previously means that getting a new job is more difficult now. Further, those who are not firing are not necessarily hiring either, or if they are hiring, they are not hiring as many people.
 
It’s interesting that despite the conservative streak that runs in myself, and I DO have concerns about the abuse of power that takes place in this pandemic, I actually support the wearing of masks, taking this virus seriously and social distancing. I don’t think wearing a mask is asking much.
 
vz71 said:
Unemployment would have to hover around 50% before one could claim a majority of employers are firing.
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Ummm, no. A 50+% unemployment rate would indicate that a majority of employees are out of work. Not the same thing as a majority of managers firing.

Say there are 100 widget manufacturers in Whoosis City and each of them has 10 employees. 51 of the 100 managers of those widget manufacturers fire one person each, for a total of 51 new unemployment claims and no one is hired during the same period. 51 new claims out of 1000 jobs is 5.1%, yet the majority of the managers are firing.
 
tuffsmurf said:
Yes and I am absolutely pro vaccines. But if it isn’t possible to achieve immunity through having the disease, it will sadly not be possible to achieve it by vaccine either.
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Not necessarily.

www.hhs.gov

Vaccine Research and Development: Doing Better than Nature

Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, comments on how vaccines can create immunity that surpasses the abilities of the human immune system.
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RuthAnne said:
I must say that I doubt it.
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I must say it’s a little weird to post on a public forum if your stance is “I’m not going to explain my reasoning.” Like if you’re just going to brush off any questions with these cryptic responses, why bother engaging in the first place?
 
Interesting but for now I think we have to conclude that vaccines never or very rarely can provide immunity if the disease itself doesn’t. Influenza is complicated because there are many types of viruses that cause what is commonly called ”the flu”. Also, flu vaccines need to be renewed every year and does not give the same high protection as for example the measles or polio vaccine.
 
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