Mandatory mask poll

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I do not support them everywhere. There are a few places without a lot of cases. Also, they are not needed when people are locked down tight. However, where they are needed, they really are needed. I stated a whole plethora or reasons, but…(edited) Nonetheless, I am sure people of intelligence will know the reasons, whether the agree or not.

Never have I seen a time when reason and science have been dismissed by so many. Now the lack of charity is not anything that new.
 
Sacrifice to keep others safe. And maybe offer up any discomfort for the repose of those who died alone. For those buried in potters fields because they had no loved ones.

Offer it up for those who have lost parents and grandparents who couldn’t be with them when they died, or even give them a funeral.

Offer it up for cancer patients and other immunocompromised people.
 
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thought it would be funny to have a POTUS mask (for use over my N95 mask), but realized not everyone would appreciate my political sense of humor at places like Trader Joe’s here in San Diego
 
I would be ok with a mandatory order provided that it was lawful. Meaning, that the public health authority had statutory authority to order masks, and that the order was clearly defined and consistent.
 
TULIPed said:
I asked if a poster was Catholic…on a Catholic website. No moral imperative required me thinks. Now - if I’d asked if they were a good Catholic - well, now you’re talking…
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So it was idle curiosity, not some attempt to equate whatever your opinion is to church teaching?
Perhaps you should have just checked the profile. It could avoid such misunderstanding.
 
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RuthAnne said:
I’m not the control freak.
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Well, in a way you are. You and a lot of other folks are really into liberty and self-determination. You’re in control, and your freedom is worth more than my life, right?
 
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If not, then I guess it is time to have the local constabulary come issue them a $250 citation, and I will make that call, just like I would for abuse of handicap spots or smoking inside a store.
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Good luck with that. Growing number of Texas sheriffs refuse to enforce governor's mask requirement - CBS News
Police officials in at least nine counties — including Denton, Houston, Montgomery, Gillespie, Upshur, Kerr, Gregg, Nacogdoches and Panola — said they will not impose the ruling with verbal or written citations. Some counties cited staffing issues, while others said the language in the order makes it impossible to police.
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With the Govt’s flip flop on the issue, along with the CDC and WHO holding varying opinions of effectiveness, I am against it.

It’s very clear that many don’t report the facts, I.E death rate is at it’s lowest, cases are on the rise due to more testing, yet deaths are lower as those infected are not effected significantly and recover quickly etc… (90% death rate decline, CDC themselves declaring that 1 in 10 Americans have already had it, pushing death rate to .5% or lower since those effected have a specific age and health range). It’s a very nefarious game I have seen, and the mask issue is IMO a control over public safety issue. If you feel so inclined to wear a mask, by all means do so. But, requiring and enforcing it as law, with what we have seen in regards to “solid” or “not solid” evidence of effectiveness, I won’t be wearing one.

I have asked my mother of 72 to wear one in public, but health and low to no risk peoples, IMO, no.
 
Well … no, another person’s liberty is not more important than your life … but then your life is not more important than theirs - and you should not impose your will upon others …

Mandatory wearing of face masks should only be required at the lowest level . so perhaps a City - if from government … but in all honesty not all locations within a City would require them - Like at a park for instance - where people can self cover and socially distance but others can maintain separation and not feel the need to cover.

There should not be Federal mandates, State mandates or County mandates … my state still has two counties with zero cases and my county has zero deaths and less than 40 positives - 29 of which are recovered …and yet our governor has mandated masks in public …

I think masks can be encouraged, a business can make them mandatory, you can make them mandatory at your private property and those who are at risk should take their own precautions … stay home, wear a mask, do what makes you feel comfortable

There is no way to 100% protect everyone from this virus
You cannot lock people up and compel them to place their lives, livelihoods, schooling and general normal activities on hold indefinitely - and claim its for your comfort and to protect you … when the response to the virus also causes harm
Beryllos said:
You’re in control, and your freedom is worth more than my life, right?
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You are in control of your life - if you are at risk … Take charge - Stay home, dont go out unless absolutely necessary - get home delivery, use zoom, phone calls to stay connected THEN if you decide to venture out - wear a mask, stay as far from others as possible, wash your hands often and keep your treks out short and rare … do this until you decide you can interact safely with the world at large or there is a vaccine.
 
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YADA said:
You are in control of your life - if you are at risk … Take charge - Stay home, dont go out unless absolutely necessary - get home delivery, use zoom, phone calls to stay connected THEN if you decide to venture out - wear a mask, stay as far from others as possible, wash your hands often and keep your treks out short and rare … do this until you decide you can interact safely with the world at large or there is a vaccine.
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Someone could follow your advice and their risk would be reduced but not eliminated. The risk that remains for them would be reduced further if other people wore face masks, avoided close crowds, washed hands, etc.
 
And elimination of all risk is not possible … Also, you are holding your well being against the well being of others - and failing to recognize the harm done … like the 11 year old that committed suicide due to the isolation of the stay at home order, the couple who were murder suicide victims because they thought they had contracted COVID-19 but actually had not.

The businesses that will fail because they cannot be economically viable with the restrictions that are being imposed which in turn will cause poverty, despair and unemployment, which can be deadly but definitely impacts peoples health … The students that were struggling and now may never recover the lost educational learning and may suffer a lifetime of struggle with earning a living.

The there are those who have no escape from abusers due to the lack of places that open and social services that are minimally available. Children who depend on schools for breakfast, lunch and even weekend meal packs are loosing their nutritional support - that has health impacts …

YET - with all of those consequences - You feel that your risk to one hazard - the COVID-19 virus is the more important than the rest of all human activity and your protection from that is more important than the harm protecting you causes others …

Someone who stays home is not at risk and if you are that concerned for your safety - you should stay home as there is no 100% protection you can have if you venture out … take responsibility for your actions and your safety
 
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YET - with all of those consequences - You feel that your risk to one hazard - the COVID-19 virus is the more important than the rest of all human activity and your protection from that is more important than the harm protecting you causes others …
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Yes, other consequences – psychological, economic, etc. – are significant, but all those would have been mitigated along with the death count if we had worked together as a country to control the spreading of the disease. I am speaking here of the US; many other countries are doing better. We had the opportunity and the means, but we did not have the will. Our leaders have failed to lead, and our citizens have failed to act. United we could have already been over the first wave and most of the way back to normal. Divided we are a public health disaster just beginning.

On a personal note, I do not want others here at CAF to think that I am at great risk of succumbing to COVID-19. I am not. When I earlier wrote “your freedom is worth more than my life,” that was a rhetorical way of saying “your freedom is worth more to you than the life of your neighbor.” I am concerned for my neighbor’s health as much as my own. You might even say I am more concerned about my neighbors because there are so many of them, about seven billion at the moment.
 
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Five or six have refused, some because they do not think it went far enough. We are enforcing it, though obviously no one will be fined if they simply comply, or leave. My hat is off to Cosco for their personal enforcement of masking. I know some would not shop where they have to wear a mask, but I also know plenty of people that will not go where they believe themselves to be in greater danger. I think on balance, a strict masking policy will gain more people, usually those who are adult and have more money, and less rude customers, while losing, well, the type that make YouTube so popular.

Seems like a win.
 
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Beryllos said:
Well, in a way you are. You and a lot of other folks are really into liberty and self-determination. You’re in control, and your freedom is worth more than my life, right?
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I mean, in fairness to @RuthAnne at least she’s consistent. If someone is a literal anarchist then I guess it makes sense to interpret any law as a tyrannical form of social control. It’s a little tin foil hat, but at least it’s intellectually honest.
 
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