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RuthAnne
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If they want to, it’s fine. If not, I wouldn’t press them on it.
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Beryllos
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That was your understanding. My understanding is that njlisa and pnewton wrote about different things, each wrote truly, and we mustn’t conflate their two posts.
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RuthAnne
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His 4.5% was a response to my post in which I said that the death rate was not even close to 1 percent (by population). Which it isn’t.
As far as I’m concerned we’ve sufficiently beat this topic to death and I have no more interest in it. I’ll continue to enjoy my mask-free freedom and wish you all the best.
As far as I’m concerned we’ve sufficiently beat this topic to death and I have no more interest in it. I’ll continue to enjoy my mask-free freedom and wish you all the best.
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TULIPed
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I see you’re a Catholic. As a follower of Christ - knowing that wearing masks might make people feel safer (especially older and immune-compromised) how do you reconcile your stance with this passage from Philippians:
“Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.”
Would not wearing a mask - especially when you don’t want to or feel you have to - be a perfect way to adhere to what St. Paul is preaching here?
“Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.”
Would not wearing a mask - especially when you don’t want to or feel you have to - be a perfect way to adhere to what St. Paul is preaching here?
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Erikaspirit16
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There’s also a law saying you have to wear pants. Women are forced to cover their breasts. How many businesses have a sign “No shirt, no shoes, no service”?
The Supreme Court ruled long ago that an emergency does not create new powers, it simply allows governments to enforce powers it already has but may not have used. And states have “police power.”
What emergency powers does the president / federal gov. have? A long, long list, complete with statute numbers, etc.—
States have emergency police power, which is quite broad and includes suspending some usual rights.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/emergency-powers-and-citizen-rights-during-the-coronavirus-public-health-crisis.html );
or, if you prefer a conservative point of view (really, they’re the same…) here’s the Heritage Foundation. It’s actually quite emphatic:
https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/commentary/constitutional-guide-emergency-powers );
There are numerous Supreme Court cases dealing with this. Here is one, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 1905:
“The Constitution,” Justice John Marshall Harlan [wrote] for a 7-2 majority, “does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint.” Instead, “a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic.” Its members “may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.” Too long to put on a bumper sticker or a poster, but quite clear.
The Supreme Court ruled long ago that an emergency does not create new powers, it simply allows governments to enforce powers it already has but may not have used. And states have “police power.”
What emergency powers does the president / federal gov. have? A long, long list, complete with statute numbers, etc.—
States have emergency police power, which is quite broad and includes suspending some usual rights.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/emergency-powers-and-citizen-rights-during-the-coronavirus-public-health-crisis.html );
or, if you prefer a conservative point of view (really, they’re the same…) here’s the Heritage Foundation. It’s actually quite emphatic:
https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/commentary/constitutional-guide-emergency-powers );
There are numerous Supreme Court cases dealing with this. Here is one, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 1905:
“The Constitution,” Justice John Marshall Harlan [wrote] for a 7-2 majority, “does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint.” Instead, “a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic.” Its members “may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.” Too long to put on a bumper sticker or a poster, but quite clear.
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TC3033
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Hmm, your reply to them may sound otherwise.
Saying they struggle with basic math is a round about way of saying you don’t believe how they came to their conclusion…
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EXdrinker
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Those that know me know I would not do anything intentionally to risk harm to others. They also know I “see” the bigger picture of the world. By wearing a mask I would be making a statement to them that it makes sense for that circumstance. By not wearing one I am also making a statement. I choose the latter rather than the former since I see little benefit and actually think it is harmful to the country as a whole.
It is not vanity or conceit to not give in to unreasonable fear and certainly not Christ like to make a statement that I do not believe is true and actually harmful to appease people.
Indeed. I believe it decidedly un-Christ-like to feed into the fear that is going around.
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Beryllos
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Who’s afraid? Fear should not be the reason for wearing a mask. It’s fairly objective risk management.EXdrinker:
Indeed. I believe it decidedly un-Christ-like to feed into the fear that is going around.
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TULIPed
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So it’s courageous to be around other people in close proximity without a mask on?
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EXdrinker
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That masks do not make much difference and can even lead to more spread was the initial response of the medical community. The united response to the virus was to slow the spread in the beginning to prepare to deal with a larger number of cases later. That was accomplished. Keeping the country or parts of the country on lockdown when hospital resources are still available makes no sense. This will linger on and on for months with cases going up and down and demagogues and the media will use it to gain more power and influence regardless of the effect it has on the economy here or across the world.EXdrinker:
And how is that??
What science, studies, research is this based off of?
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EXdrinker
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I haven’t seen that law yet. I imagine the statement would be more meaningful.
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TULIPed
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Wearing masks is required by law in many places now. Would you comply with such a requirement? Do you wear a mask in businesses that require it to enter? Just trying to establish what your personal requirements are.TULIPed:
I haven’t seen that law yet. I imagine the statement would be more meaningful.
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TC3033
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Initial response? So is that still what the medical community is currently saying?
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EXdrinker
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Oh no, now every piece of cloth saves lives and makes everyone who wears one over their mouth and nose a saint. Mask wearers are nearly as holy as systemic racism protesters who are so holy that not even wearing a mask will increase their virtue.
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EXdrinker
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What is the next step? Would you accept a vaccine if required by law? Or to enter a business? I mean really, do you not care about other people?
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TC3033
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Reaching much? I see the goalposts sliding further apart…or is that a strawman I see in the fields across the road…
Research to back up your position?
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EXdrinker
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Do your own reading back in posts and googling. More than one of us have posted links to reports containing info on the ineffectiveness and possible dangers of masks.
And no, I am not reaching. The same group of people who advocate the killing of unborn children as a right sainted protesters and vilify those who do not wear masks.
And no, I am not reaching. The same group of people who advocate the killing of unborn children as a right sainted protesters and vilify those who do not wear masks.
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