Mandatory mask poll

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Potter said:
For me, it comes down to nonviolence, which I believe Christ advocated. To support a law that tells an individual, you must do this or that, is to impose upon their being
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This would be the same Jesus that turned over tables in the temple and made a whip to drive out those people? Jesus taught that we should turn the other cheek, meaning, we do not deliver evil for evil, and that we must love our enemies. He also taught that we had a duty to the state, but not one that exceeding our duty to God.

On this line, I had a thought yesterday. During World War 2, citizens were asked to do all kind of things to help the war effort, but when it came to shopping, there were strict laws in place. The “politicians” followed the advice of the military, who was in charge of executing the war, and forbid the sale of some items and severely limited the sale of others. American citizens had their books that limited what they could buy, they had to carry them when they shopped, and without them, they could not buy a lot of items. Almost everyone understood their patriotic duty. No doubt there were those that reacted with skepticism, or even a treasonous, un-American rebellion against what was being asked of them, both voluntary or by statute. There was, after all, a black market, though not very open, as most Americans supported the war effort.

Today, people are dying faster than they did during World War 2 from the COVID virus. Those on the front line today have asked for leaders to take certain actions. What is being asked of us is so minor compared to what the Greatest Generation endured. If love of neighbor means little, how about having a modicum of patriotism? The most hypocritical response would be to stand our your rights as an American to oppose America.
 
Potter said:
To support a law that tells an individual, you must do this or that, is to impose upon their being
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If you don’t believe it’s legitimate to “impose on someone’s being” by mandating or forbidding some behavior, you don’t believe in law itself. All laws involve control. Control in itself isn’t bad. Certainly, it can become bad if it becomes excessive or tyrannical. But it’s not bad by nature.
 
EXdrinker said:
If people are not coughing there is very little respiratory virus spread in one of those studies
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"Very little". Not zero.

“in one of those studies” One. Well, that certainly settles it. :roll_eyes:
 
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Simply because Fauci changed his position, does not mean there’s some kind of sinister power grab bizarre scenario going on. While I’m not an expert in this area, I am aware that the reason that Fauci said what he did in March was because a) at the time the evidence was limited with respect to masks and b) More importantly, in the face of an unknown degree of surge, and extremely limited mask supply, there is a need to triage masks so that front line providers would have it. If the front line providers were to go get sick, who would take care of the patients During the initial surge? I am also well aware that many hospital systems have since been able to procure masks, not to the extent that’s fully needed, but to an extent that they are more prepared than they were with the initial surge when systems were taken off guard. Moreover, there is more evidence that wearing a mask we reduce the risk of spread. Simply because there are healthcare officials telling you something you just don’t like doing, it does not mean people are intentionally trying to control you for the sake of controlling people. I don’t get where you’re coming from at all. It makes no sense.
 
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puer.dei said:
“in one of those studies” One. Well, that certainly settles it. :roll_eyes:
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When trying to gain information from the internet, there is a big difference between trying to learn and trying to document what you believe. I think that is one reason so many are anti-science now. They simply do not understand the basics of objective science.

When COVID first became a threat and I had to find protocols to operate safely, I relied on viral research pre-2020, as it was not tainted by politics. So I only used that, plus what the CDC and WHO reported.
 
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The anti mask stuff all falls apart when it hits home and it effects your family - such a simple thing to do but extremely difficult for some to accept.
 
Jesus told us to render unto Caesar that which was Caesar’s. He did not specify what was caesar’s. 🙂

Your claim that people are dying faster than they did during WW2 strikes me as amazing, to be frank. 60-85 million people died during that conflict, which works out to 32,876- 46, 575 people per day over five years. Are 46,576 people per day dying of COVID?
 
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EXdrinker:
I am very sorry that the dots do not seem to connect for you.
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Please, feel free to lay them out. To say that wearing a face covering is some sort of “power grab” is…Idk…out there…
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To restrict a person’s movement and ability to buy and sell by requiring that one do these only while wearing a mask is exercising power over them. What’s next for it safety?

This is not very far from restricting a person’s movement and ability to buy and sell by requiring that one do these only after one has been inoculated. For the safety of all of course. You know what, we should require everyone to have a chip implanted so we can track people and know who has come in contact with them. That would help prevent the spread even more. This chip could also be used to transfer money so we could get rid of cash, then we could make sure people are being safe when going out in public. This would be far more effective at keeping people safe than the cloth mask everyone is wearing now.

Healthy people have been effectively quarantined and now required to wear masks in the name of safety. Even though the death rate is below influenza rates for the young and below 1% for nearly all others. We have decimated our economy and pushed millions around the world into poverty. More will likely die from our overreaction than from the virus itself. More have definitely suffered.
 
Potter said:
Your claim that people are dying faster than they did during WW2 strikes me as amazing, to be frank.
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I was referring to the United States deaths, as that is where the rationing I referenced took place. I even mentioned America. Twice.
 
EXdrinker said:
To restrict a person’s movement and ability to buy and sell by requiring that one do these only while wearing a mask is exercising power over them. What’s next for it safety?
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No shirt, no shoes, no service… 🤔 🤷‍♂️
 
EXdrinker said:
You know what, we should require everyone to have a chip implanted so we can track people and know who has come in contact with them. That would help prevent the spread even more. This chip could also be used to transfer money so we could get rid of cash, then we could make sure people are being safe when going out in public.
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Where have I heard that before? 🤔
 
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Please forgive me for saying something so harsh and offensive:

If the Americans don’t want to wear masks, I have no problem with that, AS LONG AS they don’t come here to Japan and rip off our healthcare system, like what they did a few months ago with the Diamond Princess, which Japan had NO OBLIGATION to help in the first place but still decided to do so out of their kindness. This is extremely unfair as Japan SHOULDN’T have to be the world’s charity ward.

Now, sitting here in Tokyo, I find it very entertaining to watch Americans debating about some common sense issues like whether if it’s acceptable to wear masks, when they are getting almost 70,000 new cases every day. And at the same time here in Japan we have like 600 new cases throughout the WHOLE NATION which has 40% USA’s population squeezed into California’s land mass, and the vast majority of those new cases are from the foreign residents living in Japan who showed no consideration for others around them and decided to party as much as they want, causing clustered infections, especially what happened recently on a US military base in Okinawa.

Another thing I’d like to mention is the high chance of LONG-TERM LINGERING SYMPTOMS. While the death rate appear to have dropped substantially compared to when if first started in China, the high rates of severe long-term lingering effects is what people tend to overlook. Over half of those who were hospitalised ended up with long-term fatigue, and over 40% have chronic shortness of breath, as well as many other kinds of lingering symptoms like loss of sensation, blurred vision, nausea, etc. These symptoms will significantly impact a person’s quality of life, sometimes severe enough to prevent the patient from going back to work, or even just resuming a normal lifestyle. And that’s the scary part.

So I would like to thank those Americans who don’t want to wear masks, because we can use you as the example teach others what NOT TO DO, as well as the potential consequences for stupidity. Thank you.
 
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Er, you’re welcome, I guess!

Also thank you for the health and humanitarian care you showed to the unfortunate passengers on that ship.

I have read that the Japanese people for years have worn face masks for other respiratory viruses, more than US, and so were better prepared for this coronavirus. Well done!

Your prayers are appreciated.
 
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Masks are now mandatory in my state. So I went to my neighborhood Chevron. Three workers inside including one preparing hot foods. No masks. Eleven customers including one deputy, a mom with three kids, my husband and me, and a few others. No masks. Not one.

I love this place!!
 
You love it because… people do as they please?
 
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Potter said:
My opinion on seatbelts is identical: I believe they’re the prudent course of action, but that the government is out of bounds in requiring them. Adults can make their own health decisions. As for smoking. it’'s an obnoxious, offensive habit, but if businesses choose to let their patrons smoke. that is their business.
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How about this arrangement, then: if a person doesn’t wear a seatbelt and is killed or injured, then that person isn’t entitled to receive one cent of government medical assistance, nor is that person’s family entitled to receive one cent of government assistance. Why should one person’s taxes support another person’s bad decisions? I feel the same way about private insurance. My insurance contributions pay for everyone’s medical coverage. I don’t want my private dollars to pay for their bad decisions.

Let everything be out of pocket when it comes to seat belts, smoking, motorcycle helmets, etc.
 
As an American, I agree with you.
Many of us make poor decisions because we have a misguided sense of patriotism. All the flag waving obscures our view.
 
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