Mandatory mask poll

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Elizabeth3 said:
Refusing to sign a document that asks you to agree with something that you don’t agree with, should not result in a house arrest and ankle monitoring. She already demonstrated willingness to be in compliance with the law by getting tested before traveling.
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Um. No:
Having been exposed to the highly contagious disease, D.L. was ordered to stay at home last week. But according to family members, D.L. "leaves the house often."

When D.L. didn’t respond to the health department’s messages, Jefferson Circuit Court Judge Angela Bisig ordered the Department of Corrections to fit D.L. with a global positioning device for the next 14 days. If D.L. leaves the house again, he or she could be criminally charged, WDRB reports.

D.L. is not the only Louisville resident ordered to wear ankle monitors to contain the spread of the coronavirus. According to WDRB, there are three other known cases so far. Two other people who live in the same home — one who has tested positive, and the other who has not — were ordered to remain in their home last week after both refused to stay isolated.

And another man was put under house arrest after he went out shopping despite having tested positive for the coronavirus, according to WDRB.
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So the truth is not what those articles would have you believe. The ankle monitors were applied, not because those people had been tested or because they had tested positive, but because those people were deliberately risking infecting innocent people. They were defying orders to stay home until it was safe for them to go out in public.

American law has always recognized the right (arguably the duty) of local authorities to restrict the movements of people with contagious diseases so that their (the diseases’) spread can be limited. This is nothing new.
 
What country are you in? I have this fear of the virus and sometimes it can cloud my vision… 😬
 
She may have “constitutional and God-given rights” to risk her own health, but not the health of others.
 
This is the same old worn-out tired argument that has no validity in reality. We have gone around and around on this and you have no right to restrict my God-given freedoms of movement, worship or any other. If you do not want to get sick. STAY HOME.
 
So YOU want to restrict MY “constitutional and God-given rights” now.

That’s rich.
 
JoeFreedom said:
ooooooo, evil people, those murderers!!! listen to what good ole big gubment tell you, shut up and obey!!!
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I see you’re from Illinois. Here’s what your state says about quarantines:
Subject to the provisions of subsection (c), the Department may order a person or group of persons to be quarantined or isolated or may order a place to be closed and made off limits to the public to prevent the probable spread of a dangerously contagious or infectious disease, including non-compliant tuberculosis patients, until such time as the condition can be corrected or the danger to the public health eliminated or reduced in such a manner that no substantial danger to the public’s health any longer exists. Orders for isolation of a person or quarantine of a place to prevent the probable spread of a sexually transmissible disease shall be governed by the provisions of Section 7 of the Illinois Sexually Transmissible Disease Control Act and not this Section.
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That’s from 20 ILCS 2305.

I don’t know whether it’s been invoked there yet; I’m just citing it to point out that mandatory quarantines for infectious diseases are nothing new. And, yes, the government carries out quarantines; that’s part of why we have governments in the first place.

Individual quarantine orders like those being cited here are the modern-day equivalent of a medieval walled town closing its gates during the plague. If people carrying a contagious and deadly disease won’t do the Christian thing and stay away from uninfected people, then the government will make them do it. That’s a good thing.

And, because we are a more modern society with well-developed legal systems, if the quarantine procedure is abused in any given case, there are remedies available to the people being subjected to the order.

I’m not saying it’s fun being quarantined; I would hate it myself. But, if I tested positive, I would take steps to avoid infecting other people. And, if my neighbor tested positive but kept on going out in public, I would expect the government to make him stop.
 
It’s not like quarantines are new.
From a CDC article on polio…
  • In the late 1940s, polio outbreaks in the U.S. increased in frequency and size, disabling an average of more than 35,000 people each year. Parents were frightened to let their children go outside, especially in the summer when the virus seemed to peak. Travel and commerce between affected cities were sometimes restricted. Public health officials imposed quarantines (used to separate and restrict the movement of well people who may have been exposed to a contagious disease to see if they become ill) on homes and towns where polio cases were diagnosed.*
They would quarantine entire towns…and for 6weeks, not 2. It also infected far fewer people than Covid does but it was usually children.

We know quarantines work…we’ve used them before. What I’m having trouble finding is what the punishment was for violating a polio quarantine. Most people just seemed to be willing to give up their “God given freedoms” for the betterment of society…back when society was more Christian.
 
Pattylt said:
We know quarantines work
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This is the first time a quarantine has ever been used on healthy people. Quarantines are for those who are sick and those who are at risk. But to give some an ankle bracelet for wanting to leave their house over a disease that has so far been given an IFR of 0.3% (99.7% live) and the numbers being greatly overexagerrated (CDC is lumping in antibody cases with new cases) and hospitals being paid to list people as COVID deaths (heck, one guy who died of a motorcycle crash was listed as a COVID death and the state won’t undo that number).
 
JoeFreedom said:
This is the first time a quarantine has ever been used on healthy people.
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You must have missed the point where entire towns were quarantined? At no time was the entire town infected so healthy people WERE quarantined. And these people being monitored are infected.

The rest of your comment has no bearing on the post. It’s an accounting argument and not relevant. Polio numbers were lower than Covid anyway…we still quarantined entire towns.
 
Okay, this is my last post here.

Liberty is more important than safety.
Mask effectiveness is not a settled argument.
Being against lock-downs and mask mandates does not make you anti-science (this is only an argument for people who use the “you’re a racist” argument.
Many prominent epidemiologists do not agree COVID is any more dangerous than the flu.
COVID death numbers are being manipulated.
Our government is using this virus to extend their powers, where they do not have them.
Using cases as a basis for lockdowns and masks is irrelevant. What is important is the hospitalization rate and death rate.
People have gotten violently emotional and call people who do not wear masks “murderers”.
We were told once the curve was flattened (which it has)… the curve was “deaths”, not cases, we could get back from the lockdown.
Why can WalMart and Target be open while practicing the new guidelines, but your local store cannot?
Why do some governors seem to feel like the guidelines apply to you and me, but not them or their favorite restaurants?
Why did we not go through the same protocols in 2018 during the flu pandemic, which was actually worse at this time?
Why are some people essential and not others?
Why is Governor Cuomo being hailed as a god for killing 6% of the elderly population (6,000 of 100,000) in assisted living homes?
Why are hospitals being paid more to list as a COVID death?
People die every day of multiple conditions (person with heart disease dies with the flu), but yet no “new normals” or “social distancing” or “abundance of caution” or “lockdowns” were needed before.
Why did the CDC quietly update it’s IFR on its site to 0.3% 6 weeks ago and not tell anyone?
Why were we told not to wear masks at the beginning because we were told they weren’t effective and now told they save lives? If it was because they needed to hoard, I don’t like being manipulated, lied to and treated like a child.
 
JoeFreedom said:
Once you tell me to stay home so I don’t get you sick, you have restricted my rights.
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Once you tell me to stay home so that you don’t have to follow the same rules everyone else does, YOU have restricted MY rights.
 
Please support your position on masks from a Catholic Christian point of view. I think it would be helpful to use scripture and the Catholic Catechism to support your answer. Thanks.
 
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