Many Catholics leaving the faith by age 10

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I can actually see adults still going to a church, too, for purely social reasons but not really believing in God any more.
Oh for sure, but my point was that “going through the motions” issue and still appearing Catholic (or any faith for that matter) is not limited to adults. While it may seem bizarre a kid of 10 could make such a decision about their faith, it’s really not hard to hide it if they have done despite their immaturity to be making such a decision. And it could very well stick with them to 25 or beyond as that study found.
 
I don’t deny that it happens that a 10 year old would stop believing at 10 and be able to successfully playact until no longer living under his or her parents’ roof. But that is not the natural order of things. Parents should know what goes on with their children. If you have a reserved child, you should be more proactive about asking about what goes in on their heads. “I don’t know” is not an acceptable answer. Parents should be spending time with their children and give them a safe “home base.” If they don’t do that, no wonder kids latch on to other stuff.

I don’t advocate helicopter parenting or refusing to let children become independent, but to assume that all they need you for is food, shelter, and a ride to school or church and they can figure out the rest in their brains once they’re preteens is really shoddy parenting and I’d say borders on neglect. No wonder we’ve got tons of young adults wandering around aimlessly with only their whims and impulses to guide them, who get their feelings hurt the minute anyone challenges them. This hits close to home to me because it’s what I’ve seen happen with my younger sisters. My parents were never very emotionally available, but it got a lot worse after I left home, and the results are not good.

It’s very, very sad.
 
I don’t deny that it happens that a 10 year old would stop believing at 10 and be able to successfully playact until no longer living under his or her parents’ roof. But that is not the natural order of things. Parents should know what goes on with their children. If you have a reserved child, you should be more proactive about asking about what goes in on their heads. “I don’t know” is not an acceptable answer. Parents should be spending time with their children and give them a safe “home base.” If they don’t do that, no wonder kids latch on to other stuff.

I don’t advocate helicopter parenting or refusing to let children become independent, but to assume that all they need you for is food, shelter, and a ride to school or church and they can figure out the rest in their brains once they’re preteens is really shoddy parenting and I’d say borders on neglect. No wonder we’ve got tons of young adults wandering around aimlessly with only their whims and impulses to guide them, who get their feelings hurt the minute anyone challenges them. This hits close to home to me because it’s what I’ve seen happen with my younger sisters. My parents were never very emotionally available, but it got a lot worse after I left home, and the results are not good.

It’s very, very sad.
True. But even in situations like this where the parents are as aware as they can be (lets face it, even the most involved parent can’t know all the time with certainty what goes on in their kids heads since God didn’t grant us telepathy), kids still fall away from the faith. We’ve seen examples of it in this exact thread with presumably involved and faithful parents whose kids left the RCC or Christianity entirely.

Heck even if you know with full certainty that your preteen or teen no longer believes, there’s only so much you can do. Yes you can try to lead by example, try to explain to them the reasons they should believe and why its important they do so, ensure they speak to a priest/minister, ensure they get to mass and religious education, etc… etc… But in the end its still their mind and their soul. You can only try to shape it and influence them so far and for so long. Eventually the decision on whether to believe will eventually fall to them. It’s not just a neglectful or less involved parent that may eventually face a kid who doesn’t believe be it openly or otherwise covered by playacting.
 
True. But even in situations like this where the parents are as aware as they can be (lets face it, even the most involved parent can’t know all the time with certainty what goes on in their kids heads since God didn’t grant us telepathy), kids still fall away from the faith. We’ve seen examples of it in this exact thread with presumably involved and faithful parents whose kids left the RCC or Christianity entirely.

Heck even if you know with full certainty that your preteen or teen no longer believes, there’s only so much you can do. Yes you can try to lead by example, try to explain to them the reasons they should believe and why its important they do so, ensure they speak to a priest/minister, ensure they get to mass and religious education, etc… etc… But in the end its still their mind and their soul. You can only try to shape it and influence them so far and for so long. Eventually the decision on whether to believe will eventually fall to them. It’s not just a neglectful or less involved parent that may eventually face a kid who doesn’t believe be it openly or otherwise covered by playacting.
I don’t disagree there. Free will is a thing.

But I think in more cases than we think, ignorance is a major factor. I run into lapsed Catholics frequently who don’t have any idea at all about what Church teaching is, but they think they do because they went to CCD or Catholic school until 8th grade. Parents should educate themselves about the faith, they should educate their children, but most importantly of all, they should love and continue to maintain loving, nurturing relationships with their children. A lot of parents don’t do this, especially today. They put their kids off on peers way too young, and then the kids look to the peers as the moral authority, instead of the parents.

If I had a child who honestly went through all the arguments, combed through philosophy and theology, attended Mass and participated in our family prayer life, and revealed to me that despite everything he didn’t believe and didn’t feel like he could practice, I would be devastated, sure. I would probably say, “Well, practice it on faith, if not for yourself, for me, to give it a shot until you leave, because I do think it’s good for you even if you don’t see it now,” but I’d respect his ability to make up his own mind once he left home.

That said, I’d venture that at least 9 times out of 10 it’s a kid who would rather sleep in than go to Mass, and then the other stuff comes in as an afterthought. I remember being a teen. I remember teaching teens too. That’s how most teens think. 😛
 
It may be that a good deal of religious thinking in the current culture seems to have stopped and gotten stuck at the 10 year old level.
 
It may be that a good deal of religious thinking in the current culture seems to have stopped and gotten stuck at the 10 year old level.
Gee thanks, trained and certificated catechists all over thank you. 😦
 
The long hours culture doesn’t help with the parent child relationship. Some small children with full time working mothers don’t get home until say 6 and then it’s a rush through homework, dinner, bath time and bed time. A lot of these kids simply spend more hours with peers than their family because their parents don’t have time.
 
Besides even the distraction issue mentioned by others, just because they’re still going to church, or being forced to go to church by their parents, doesn’t mean they’re in the faith any longer. I mean speaking for myself, I wasn’t 10, but when I left I was still attending mass for a few months as a de-facto social exercise after I’d decided I no longer believed what the RCC taught. It’s not hard to imagine someone at 10 who has no real choice if they go to mass (unless their parents of course give them an option), making a similar decision but going along with what mom or dad say since they have no choice at the time but then retroactively deciding it was before 10 they’d stopped believing.
Well that because the parents didn’t talk to them about the faith or show them how to have a prayer life. Going to Mass one hour a week won’t get it, like going to school one hour a week.
 
Kids are leaving the faith early because of pressure from the outside, and a lack of any relevant education to deal with that conflict of interest.

The other issue is people can’t expect kids that attended Sunday mass occasionally (with a barely-Catholic family for support) and went to a “Catholic” school to be strong in their faith.

Much like with Graduates vs. an older, less-educated, but more experienced person, it isn’t about being a full bottle in regards to the Catholic faith, but knowing the basics, putting those to practice and having a REAL experience in the faith through Adoration, Prayer or reflection.

My other gripe is the constant wishy-wash coming from the pulpit Sunday, after Sunday, after Sunday. I don’t want “fire and brimstone,” but I do want a practical synopsis of the teaching’s contained in each week’s readings and how this is relevant to Church teaching and our lives! Its been noted time and time again people get bored with the dumbed-down and incessant “God / Jesus is Love,” yes that is certainly true, but there is so much more to our Catholic faith!
People want to be challenged.

I have to wonder if this is perhaps why communities offering Latin Mass are relatively popular; maybe the Clergy and Parishioners show more interest in Church Teaching and holy practices?
 
Well that because the parents didn’t talk to them about the faith or show them how to have a prayer life. Going to Mass one hour a week won’t get it, like going to school one hour a week.
As mentioned above, it’s often not that simple…
 
Well that because the parents didn’t talk to them about the faith or show them how to have a prayer life.
Maybe because they stopped believing themselves, though they may still go through the motions.
 
Right now the only way our parish is staying alive is through the Filipino and African families that have moved into our town for work over the last 5 or 6 years. Only a handful of local young families attend Mass and we haven’t had religious education (other than 6-8 sessions for First Communion) in years.
Something similar is happening here too. There hasn’t been First communion in years either from the lack of young families forming. I honestly wish there was more that could be done for the Catholic young in my city to meet each other, but it seems that there isn’t any interest. Not sure how that will play out in 20 years when numbers start to decline. Many parishes are in financial distress.
 
Then the Pastors of the PArishes need to speak with their boss. It comes down form the top.
In this Archdiocese you are NOT permitted to teach unless you have a basic catechist certificate, and that requires 20 hours of study , classroom observation of a seasoned catechist, and recruitment by the Pastor and DRE working together.
As DRE, I am REQUIRED to offer continuing ed for my catechists and they are required to come. Period.
The priests in your Diocese can approach the Bishop and ask for more stringent guidelines. I’m teaching VIRTUS for Volunteers tonight, actually, and the entire month of October is devoted to Virtus for the students.
We even go so far as to say there has to be TWO certified catechists in every classroom. Even if there’s only 5 kids enrolled.
Some of the hoops are hard to jump through, but it’s worth it.
Our Archdiocese is nothing like yours. And our pastor doesn’t have the time to deal with “the kids” We have now had a decline of children in CCD of over 50 percent since 2003. That is hundreds of kids in our church and they are not going to another Catholic church. They are just “done”. I wish all dioceses had some consistency in who can teach and what they can teach.
 
Our Archdiocese is nothing like yours. And our pastor doesn’t have the time to deal with “the kids” We have now had a decline of children in CCD of over 50 percent since 2003. That is hundreds of kids in our church and they are not going to another Catholic church. They are just “done”.
Also, CCD can get pretty expensive, especially with multiple children paying to receive the sacraments. I know a handful of families who have quit attending mass because they could not afford the sacramental preparation fees for their kids.
 
Also, CCD can get pretty expensive, especially with multiple children paying to receive the sacraments. I know a handful of families who have quit attending mass because they could not afford the sacramental preparation fees for their kids.
It is always said if you can’t afford the classes, they are free, but I am sure it can be a bit much especially for those with multiple children. Our CCD classes are pricy. I personally think they should be free. And yes we can afford it in our parish. We have a surplus of over 20,000.00 last year after we put aside money in the capital improvements fund.
 
Parents work full-time. + Fewer students attend Catholic schools. + Poor priorities
= Poor Catholic formation
 
I would agree with poor priorities but not the other two. 😊
I watched a trend over the years and would like to elaborate but not this evening…must rise and shine for a toddler early tomorrow. I will respond more thoroughly tomorrow evening.
 
This whole thread seems wacky to me. When I was 10 I had no idea of telling my parents I don’t believe anymore and I knew better so stop taking me to church.

How does that work anyway? I guess we make kids mini adults and let them run their own lives now. As I say I just cannot believe this thread. So does this work with school as well? The kids say they don’t believe in higher education so stop taking me to school.

:confused::confused::confused:
 
This whole thread seems wacky to me. When I was 10 I had no idea of telling my parents I don’t believe anymore and I knew better so stop taking me to church.

How does that work anyway? I guess we make kids mini adults and let them run their own lives now. As I say I just cannot believe this thread. So does this work with school as well? The kids say they don’t believe in higher education so stop taking me to school.

:confused::confused::confused:
You would be surprised at how many parents tell us “He/she doesn’t want to go to church anymore, what can you do?” and shrug. They’re talking about kids between 8-12. In my experience, Mass/Church doesn’t mean much to the parents either.
 
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