Mariwan Halabjayee flees fatwa

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Ella:
You are correct. However Emad is still here and I am sure there are other Muslims as well who can answer my questions.

Their silence disturbs me. Does it disturb you, Pro? I mean, these are basic human rights that my questions obliquely address…
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No, it doesn’t disturb me. They have already stated 20 different ways that they don’t think persecuting people is right, and that their religion forbids it, so I’m not remotely surprised that they don’t want to continue arguing with cestusdei.

I myself continue to post only because I feel I have a duty to let people of other faiths know that this Priest doesn’t speak for everybody. I’d be embarrassed if anyone thought he did.
 
20 different ways? You mean your pro forma quickie “I don’t like it now let’s avoid the issue” statements? Then when one slips and says that Osama is great and the Taliban are wonderful which is why he was suspended or that when the caliph comes THEN killing converts is okay…you ignore that. If we were debating and a muslim was beheading people in front of us you would say “oh that’s not good” and then turn back to accuse me of all kinds of evil, effectively ignoring what was happening right in front of you. And if I pointed that out you would still ignore it. Even when the blood splashed on you you would ignore it and talk about how bad I am.
 
Well Randel, Emad, evading answering these questions isn’t doing much for your arguments.

No I wasn’t avoiding them, I just saw them. I have a life other than this forum you know.

COME ON RANDEL, COME ON EMAD.

WWooo, take it easy there, you sound like you want to box or something. It’s a discussion, not a royal rumble.
  1. Forcing women to wear Burkas.
In an Islamic state there is a dress code in public for males and females. We can’t walk around naked, but every city is different, in some cities women may not have to wear burqas in others they would, depending on the local customs of that area.
  1. Amputation of the hand as a moral punishment for theft.
Perfect punishment if done correctly, I will explain this in more detail in the future as I am short on time now. But I agree with it 100% if it is done correctly.
  1. Public beheadings as a moral way to punish criminals.
Which Islamic crime is punished by beheading?

Ces, as stated earlier, I would appreciate if you don’t reply to my posts as I won’t apply to yours.
 
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Emad:
Ces, as stated earlier, I would appreciate if you don’t reply to my posts as I won’t apply to yours.
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I meant I won’t reply to yours
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Emad:
  1. Amputation of the hand as a moral punishment for theft.
Perfect punishment if done correctly, I will explain this in more detail in the future as I am short on time now. But I agree with it 100% if it is done correctly.

Ok as I promised I would promised here is my further explanation.

First this law only applies to stealing things that aren’t your basic needs. If you are starving and you steal, your not punished for it. The second Khalifa Umar ibn al Khattab banned this rule for an entire year due to a drought in Medina and the government couldn’t provide people basic necessities, thus he couldn’t punish them. This law applies to someone who has all their basic needs, or for example he has a honda, but wants a lexus, thus he steals his neighbors lexus. Such a person will be punished.

Second when a person breaks into your house, it ruins the sense of security you have in your own home, your wife doesn’t feel safe if she is home alone, neither do your kids, the neighborhood is full of fear and no one trusts anyone else. Everytime you leave your house for one hour you are worried if someone is in there going through your belongings. This ruins any and all sense of peace of security you have. The robber doesn’t just steal your material goods, but he also steals all peace and security from your heart, your family and neighborhood.

Now lets assume such a person steals and gets caught, in most countries he will be put in jail and you will pay for him (through your tax money). Now this man stole from you, why should you pay for him to be put in jail? He did the crime and your paying for his crime from your own pocket. Such people also usually leave jail and come right back to your house or the house of someone else.

Now if his hand is amputated it will be only him paying for the crime and everyone who has the slightest idea or thought of doing something similar will quickly change their mind as they don’t want to same thing happening to them. This punishment works. In Saudi Arabia this law is practiced, though not always in the correct method, for example it might only be applied to the poor, but the stores don’t even close, when the shop owner leaves he simply leaves the door wide open and put a stick or something similar to let others know he is away for lunch or something. No one there even thinks of stealing. It’s so peaceful. You can leave your store wide open for an entire day, come back at night and you won’t find a thing missing.

It may seem like a brutal punishment, but the crime is a horrendous crime. We seem to look at it as if it is nothing, but indeed it causes much harm in society, such as I listed above. May God guide us to what He loves and is pleased with.
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Ella:
This is so pitiful, guys. You won’t answer my questions? Is it because I’m female?

Cowards.🙂
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That’s not nice of you to call us cowards, I don’t think Jesus would do that. I think your a great person and I don’t think you meant that. I think you were just having a bad day, I of course will let it slide and I forgive you.

🙂
 
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Emad:
That’s not nice of you to call us cowards, I don’t think Jesus would do that. I think your a great person and I don’t think you meant that. I think you were just having a bad day, I of course will let it slide and I forgive you.

🙂
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Well thank you, Emad.

I asked about beheadings because I know these were done by the Taliban and Randel had expressed admiration for the Taliban.

Ok my next question is: do you think that mandatory wearing of burkas for women, and amputation of the hand for theft, are two things that must exist in a truly Islamic society/Islamic country?
 
Emad, we have free speech here. I know you can’t answer me, so I understand why you don’t want to try.

Ella is right. You support burkhas, amputations, and beheadings. You admit it. Hey pro are you reading this? Oh no that’s right, your rule is to ignore Islamic atrocities.

Emad, by your own words you prove Islam is barbaric. Thanks, we’ll pass on sharia and dhimmitude.
 
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Ella:
Well thank you, Emad.

Ok my next question is: do you think that mandatory wearing of burkas for women, and amputation of the hand for theft, are two things that must exist in a truly Islamic society/Islamic country?
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I answered these two questions below. Perhaps you missed them, if you still have questions about them, go ahead and ask and I will answer as soon as possible. Also these things are not even 1% of what the Islamic state and Islam is made up of, so there is no need to stress them. In an Islamic state it is something that barely ever happens. It is just like reading 5 pages of a volume set and stressing those 5 pages, when those 5 pages are such a small percentage of what the entire set it about.
 
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Emad:
I answered these two questions below. Perhaps you missed them, if you still have questions about them, go ahead and ask and I will answer as soon as possible. Also these things are not even 1% of what the Islamic state and Islam is made up of, so there is no need to stress them. In an Islamic state it is something that barely ever happens. It is just like reading 5 pages of a volume set and stressing those 5 pages, when those 5 pages are such a small percentage of what the entire set it about.
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Well, the thing is, I don’t want to live in a society where mandatory burkas and hand amputations occur.
This is one reason why I remain in the United States, instead of moving to Saudi Arabia. IIRC Saudi Arabia punishes theft with hand amputation and while women aren’t required to wear a burka, they are required to wear the chador. I know you don’t regard S.A. very highly in terms of their government, but I couldn’t think of another country that has these rules except for Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Emad, do you think your point of view about these things is a common one among Muslims, or is it a minority view?
 
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Ella:
Well, the thing is, I don’t want to live in a society where mandatory burkas and hand amputations occur.
This is one reason why I remain in the United States, instead of moving to Saudi Arabia. IIRC Saudi Arabia punishes theft with hand amputation and while women aren’t required to wear a burka, they are required to wear the chador. I know you don’t regard S.A. very highly in terms of their government, but I couldn’t think of another country that has these rules except for Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Emad, do you think your point of view about these things is a common one among Muslims, or is it a minority view?
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I mentioned in my previous post that not everywhere in the Islamic state do you have to wear hijab, it depends on the local customs of the neighborhood. Did you read what I wrote about theft and it’s crime and when a person is punished and when they aren’t? Do you have a better solution to stop theft? If so, bring it up so we can discuss it. If someone steals from you, why should you pay for them to go to jail? Someone harms you and you pay for them to have a place to stay and eat? Seems unfair to me. Anyhow I believe my view is what Islam teaches and is common among practicing Muslims. Please don’t think of an Islamic state as a place where hands and heads are being chopped off left and right, because it’s not like that. There is so much more to Islam, why people focus on these things I don’t know. I pray I answered your questions, if not, just ask for clarification.
 
Barely ever happens? Like every week on chop chop square and countless other muslim cities? Remember this thread started out with Mariwan who is fleeing emad’s version of “justice”.
 
You are just going to have to put me on ignore. If you post something of interest or that is false I will respond. Part of free speech is having to deal with those you disagree with. Welcome to the free world. No sharia here.
 
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cestusdei:
You are just going to have to put me on ignore. If you post something of interest or that is false I will respond. Part of free speech is having to deal with those you disagree with. Welcome to the free world. No sharia here.
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Part of the free world is the freedom to ignore people too. I have free hearing too lol , not just free speech right?

I didn’t know I could put you on ignore, I wish you told me a long time ago, I will do it now.

🙂
 
burkas = not Islamic

amputation = why worry about it if you arent planning on stealing and robbing people

beheading = why worry about it if you are not going to go and kill people

pure and simple.
 
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Muslim:
burkas = not Islamic
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Well maybe I should have said hijab.
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Muslim:
amputation = why worry about it if you arent planning on stealing and robbing people

beheading = why worry about it if you are not going to go and kill people

pure and simple.
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I worry about it because I worry about things that are wrong. I believe amputations of the hand and beheadings are wrong, no matter what the person involved is convicted of.
I worry about these things because I do not want to live in a society that permits them. However it appears that muslims want the entire world to live under a system that permits them (sharia law). I do not want to live under sharia law, and indeed would fight any attempt to enforce sharia law here where I live.

I also am against capitol punishment in the United States, and against abortion, too.
 
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Ella:
Well maybe I should have said hijab.

I worry about it because I worry about things that are wrong. I believe amputations of the hand and beheadings are wrong, no matter what the person involved is convicted of.
I worry about these things because I do not want to live in a society that permits them. However it appears that muslims want the entire world to live under a system that permits them (sharia law). I do not want to live under sharia law, and indeed would fight any attempt to enforce sharia law here where I live.

I also am against capitol punishment in the United States, and against abortion, too.
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i can assure you that you wont feel the same way if someone killed your family member
 
Well, if the fact that Muslims support capital punishment means they’re evil, then I guess St. Thomas Aquinas and most Americans are evil too.

After all, most Americans support the death penalty.

Now that the thread has come down to this, it’s obvious that cestusdei just wants to attack muslims. There’s no rhyme or reason for condemning another religion on this point, but there you have it…hypocrisy at its worst.
 
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