Meet the Next President: Kerry's Second Shot

[estesbob]

A person who would believe what Carville said would believe a cell mate who told him he’d get better ventilation if he slept with his shorts on backwards.

It is absolutely amazing(and sad) to watch the mental gymansitics that one must go through to rationalize being Cathholic yet consitently supporting pro-abortion candidates and a pro-abortion party.

 

[mary_bobo]

And that will be precisely how the democratic party will go about wooing votes from the republican candidates this coming election. I can’t seem to find the article right now, but will look more later, James Carville is betting on the fact that his party will be able to win back conservative voters by having candidates in his party tell their constituents that" oh yes, I believe that abortions should be limited in this country" He wants them to sound pro-life, and yet they do not act or believe in Pro-life issues. that to me is a straight out and out deception of voters, who do not know to read between the lines. We do not get to be Catholic and Pro-choice and if you believe, that you can be, then you are not catholic. Sorta got off subject there for a moment, sorry, but if I see one more person in my catholic church wear a John Kerry button on their lapel to mass, I will ,this time, let them know the same. :tsktsk:

A person who would believe what Carville said would believe a cell mate who told him he’d get better ventilation if he slept with his shorts on backwards.

And, sadly, James Carville he is a Catholic.

 

[vern_humphrey]

If abortion is the only thing that matters politically, then do as Lincoln did when he formed the anti-slavery party. At that point, every conversation will start by overturning Roe vs.Wade, and then proceed from that point.

There are many Republicans that are not interested in allowing Roe vs.Wade getting overturned. Vern, did you catch who the administration favored this last week in the Rhode Island Senate race. Yes, thats right, a pro-choice Republican.(Just like they did in Penn. in 04 in not supporting Toomey.) They could have stayed neutral, or by god, maybe supported the more conservative candidate. No, they didnt. They were more concerned with maintaining their majority versus supporting the platform of their party.

When you have purged the pro-abortionists from the Democratic Party, then you can give me advice on politics. Not before.

 

[carmine007]

Let’s be serious for a second.

This is America no poor person is going hungry (have you seen a skinny poor person lately? go to walmart)

No one is killing thier unborn babies because they wont be able afford them. I agree with the Catholic Church’s view on Social Justice but if you think increasing the welfare state is going to help I think you are horribly wrong.

I would think Al Gore has a better chance of winning over John Kerry. Al has gone a long way in making himself likable where as Kerry is still a total tool. I wont bring up Hillary because she has absoultely no chance of winning what so ever (despite what some talking heads may say)

 

[mary_bobo]

Let’s be serious for a second.

This is America no poor person is going hungry (have you seen a skinny poor person lately? go to walmart)

No one is killing thier unborn babies because they wont be able afford them. I agree with the Catholic Church’s view on Social Justice but if you think increasing the welfare state is going to help I think you are horribly wrong.

I would think Al Gore has a better chance of winning over John Kerry. Al has gone a long way in making himself likable where as Kerry is still a total tool. I wont bring up Hillary because she has absoultely no chance of winning what so ever (despite what some talking heads may say)

IMO the only one of the three we are talking about (Kerry, Gore, Hillary) that has a chance to be nominated is Hillary. I think the Dems want to win in the worst way and they will nominate the one they think will accomplish that. Hillary won’t run if she does not think she will win. Seeing how many voters think, all three of them are going to have a hard time with the “likability factor”.

 

[MikeWM]

The idea that abortion is not an evil in itself, but merely the product of social conditions – which can be changed by government programs (which of course will include taxpayer-funded abortion) – is part of the pro-abortion mantra.

Evil things often occur because of social conditions.

Some abortions wouldn’t happen if social conditions were different.

Some abortions would no doubt happen whatever happened. So do murders and rapes. You’re not going to wipe them out altogether, even if it is illegal in every one of the 50 states.

Mike

 

[MikeWM]

It is absolutely amazing(and sad) to watch the mental gymansitics that one must go through to rationalize being Cathholic yet consitently supporting pro-abortion candidates and a pro-abortion party.

Some people realise that abortion is a difficult issue that won’t be solved merely by electing the right people (never mind what other dangerous polciies they have) to put the right people on a court (no matter what other dangerous political positions they hold) to overturn a law that won’t even make abortion illegal in many states, and won’t stop people having illegal backstreet abortions anyway in the other states.

It is a complicated issue, and it requires ‘mental gymnastics’ in order to come to the best solution to the problem.

I find it amazing (and sad) that people think abortion will come to an end in the trivial way of electing people to appoint other people who will say that a law is ok. It might be a small part of the solution, but the damage done by those people in other areas is becoming almost immeasurable while we’re waiting for them to get to this small part of the solution.

Mike

 

[vern_humphrey]

Evil things often occur because of social conditions.

Some abortions wouldn’t happen if social conditions were different.{/quote]

But the overwhelming majority of them are not due to any “social conditions.” This is simply a smokescreen to hide the true facts in this grisly Holocaust of the Innocent.
MikeWM;1498772:

Some abortions would no doubt happen whatever happened. So do murders and rapes. You’re not going to wipe them out altogether, even if it is illegal in every one of the 50 states.

Mike

But no one is proposing legalizing murder or rape, or forcing the taxpayer pay people to commit murder or rape. The Democratic Party wants to keep abortion legal and have it taxpayer funded. (see their current party platform.)

 

[MikeWM]

He wants them to sound pro-life, and yet they do not act or believe in Pro-life issues.

Sounds like the pro-capital puinishment, pro-war majority of the Republican party to me.

We do not get to be Catholic and Pro-choice

True.

and if you believe, that you can be, then you are not catholic.

I don’t believe I can be, but then I’m not.

If any party was practising forced abortions, then they can’t get my vote. But as they are not…

As the alternative is so much worse, if I had a vote, I’d be far more likely to vote Democrat than Republican - even though the Democrats don’t exactly excite me.

Mike

 

[Julianna]

It is sad that you distill protecting life down to “force feeding your Faith”. I though our Faith came befoe our politics?

There is NO isssue more importasnt than life. If defending life makes me a religious extremist in your eyes so be it. If adhering to the teachings of my Chruch makes me an religious extremist thenso be it. If refuing to vote for those **who support the slaughter of the innocents **

"our soldiers are innocent too"

makes me a religous extremist I PROUDLY wear the lable.

And I would ask why anyone who is pro-life support a party that is pro-death penalty (the state of Texas has all but an “express lane” to death) and believes it’s ok for our boys to still be in Iraq? We have Saddam…why are we still there?

I have stated that I am pro-life, that was ignored. I guess I just don’t get it. I have been accused of not being “charitable”…yet, I am lambasted because I dare to think for myself. I never thought I would see the day when the catholic church in America, got political. Call me naive on that one.

You have your views and I have mine. As I see it, we are both pro-life…I didn’t realize that pro-life came in “degrees”.

 

[MikeWM]

I never thought I would see the day when the catholic church in America, got political.

She’s not espousing a particular political party, even if a number of her members do.

Read the USCCB’s voting information, if you want to see what ‘The Church’ is actually advocating. It’s very balanced and reasonable.

Mike

 

[vern_humphrey]

And I would ask why anyone who is pro-life support a party that is pro-death penalty (the state of Texas has all but an “express lane” to death) and believes it’s ok for our boys to still be in Iraq? We have Saddam…why are we still there?

Only someone who doesn’t want to understand the answer would ask that question.

We are there because you don’t walk away from a job half done – not when national security is at stake.

I have stated that I am pro-life, that was ignored. I guess I just don’t get it. I have been accused of not being “charitable”…yet, I am lambasted because I dare to think for myself. I never thought I would see the day when the catholic church in America, got political. Call me naive on that one.

You have your views and I have mine. As I see it, we are both pro-life…I didn’t realize that pro-life came in “degrees”.

Cardinal Ratzinger (you know who he is) said it is permissible to differ with the Holy Father on issues of war and the death penalty, but never on abortion.

There are those who raise war and the death penalty as a smokescreen to hide (even from themselves) their support of pro-abortion politicians.

 

[Julianna]

Only someone who doesn’t want to understand the answer would ask that question.

We are there because you don’t walk away from a job half done – not when national security is at stake.

**There are those who raise war and the death penalty as a smokescreen to hide (even from themselves) their support of pro-abortion politicians./**QUOTE]

How many pro-life politicians that you voted for were successful in overturning Roe v. Wade? Who said I vote pro-choice? Wasn’t me…unless you are claravoyant and can read my mind.

Cardinal Ratzinger (you know who he is) said it is permissible to differ with the Holy Father on issues of war and the death penalty, but never on abortion.

Yes, I have read Orwells “Animal Farm”. Pro-life is just that Pro-life.

 

[vern_humphrey]

How many pro-life politicians that you voted for were successful in overturning Roe v. Wade? Who said I vote pro-choice? Wasn’t me…unless you are claravoyant and can read my mind.

When you blow smoke up me kilts like that, it tickles.

If you support the party that has a pro-abortion plank (and one that calls for taxpayer supported abortion) then you supported abortion.

As for overturning Roe v Wade, the party with the pro-abortion stance has done everything they can to keep it from being overturned – or even limited. We are in a struggle, and Catholics who vote for the pro-abortion party aren’t helping us.

Cardinal Ratzinger (you know who he is) said it is permissible to differ with the Holy Father on issues of war and the death penalty, but never on abortion.

Yes, I have read Orwells “Animal Farm”. Pro-life is just that Pro-life.

You aren’t making sense. Are you saying Benedict XVI is a creature from Animal Farm?

 

[estesbob]

And I would ask why anyone who is pro-life support a party that is pro-death penalty (the state of Texas has all but an “express lane” to death) and believes it’s ok for our boys to still be in Iraq? We have Saddam…why are we still there?

There is no moral eqauivalence between the executing of apox 100 convicted murderers a year and the slaughter of 1.2 million Children a year. Our Church recognizes this in its teachings-cstegorically condeming abortion and allowing (for its entire 2,000 year existence) the necessity of the Death Penatly.

I fail to see the connection bewteen opposing the war in Iraq and supporting the killing of 1.2 million children a year.

I have stated that I am pro-life, that was ignored. I guess I just don’t get it. I have been accused of not being “charitable”…yet, I am lambasted because I dare to think for myself. I never thought I would see the day when the catholic church in America, got political. Call me naive on that one.

I am sure you consider yourself pro-life yet you support those who aid and abet the slaughter of the innocents. Dont you see the contradiction here?

You have your views and I have mine. As I see it, we are both pro-life…I didn’t realize that pro-life came in “degrees”.

And the becuase Catho0lics cintinue to vote for those who fight to kill these chldren they contuinue to die.

 

[Al_Masetti]

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[Julianna]

When you blow smoke up me kilts like that, it tickles.

If you support the party that has a pro-abortion plank (and one that calls for taxpayer supported abortion) then you supported abortion.

As for overturning Roe v Wade, the party with the pro-abortion stance has done everything they can to keep it from being overturned – or even limited. We are in a struggle, and Catholics who vote for the pro-abortion party aren’t helping us.

You aren’t making sense. Are you saying Benedict XVI is a creature from Animal Farm?

I am not blowing smoke up your kilt…but I am not going to eat a mouth full haggas and pretend it’s delicious when it isn’t, when I told you I really wanted pizza to begin with.

Who said I am supporting the pro-choice party? I am not in favor of tax payer support of abortion, either. You may have missed that post as well.

No, I’m not saying the Pope is creature from Animal Farm, I am stating that pro-life is pro-life equals “life” in the meaning of the word. The statement threw me for a loop, because it sounded like something from Animal Farm. Like, it is permissable to do this…but not this…yet you can still call it this…if you want.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I am not blowing smoke up your kilt…but I am not going to eat a mouth full haggas and pretend it’s delicious when it isn’t, when I told you I really wanted pizza to begin with.

You mistook these forums for a fast food joint, did you?

Who said I am supporting the pro-choice party? I am not in favor of tax payer support of abortion, either. You may have missed that post as well.

If you vote for that party, you are.

No, I’m not saying the Pope is creature from Animal Farm, I am stating that pro-life is pro-life equals “life” in the meaning of the word. The statement threw me for a loop, because it sounded like something from Animal Farm. Like, it is permissable to do this…but not this…yet you can still call it this…if you want.

If I happen to run into the Holy Father, I’ll be sure to tell him you disapprove of his theology.

 

[maryj]

Some people realise that abortion is a difficult issue that won’t be solved merely by electing the right people (never mind what other dangerous polciies they have) to put the right people on a court (no matter what other dangerous political positions they hold) to overturn a law that won’t even make abortion illegal in many states, and won’t stop people having illegal backstreet abortions anyway in the other states.

It is a complicated issue, and it requires ‘mental gymnastics’ in order to come to the best solution to the problem.

I find it amazing (and sad) that people think abortion will come to an end in the trivial way of electing people to appoint other people who will say that a law is ok. It might be a small part of the solution, but the damage done by those people in other areas is becoming almost immeasurable while we’re waiting for them to get to this small part of the solution.

Mike

And God sometimes works in just those “trivial” ways. Ya gotta know that don’t you? It isn’t always the answer you think your gonna get with God. Mostly it’s in ways that you never even thought of or imagined, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say almost always. God can do anything, anything ever imagined or not imagined for that matter. Lord I beg "let me be a small, minute, itsy,bitsy “almost immeasurable” part of the solution. And I will do my part, I will follow the lead of the Holy Father, my local Bishop, and Priests.

 

[Julianna]

You mistook these forums for a fast food joint, did you?

My husband is making grinders in the kitchen and it smells wonderful.
If you vote for that party, you are.Who someone votes for is a private matter.
If I happen to run into the Holy Father, I’ll be sure to tell him you disapprove of his theology.

Yeah, sure, I’m sure he won’t lose any sleep over it, neither will I.

Thank you Vern, for being decent to me.