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maryj
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That’s where I saw the James Carville thing…Thanks Al for sparking my memory.caaction.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=73
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vern_humphrey
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You’re welcome – but I would urge you to think long and hard about the Holy Father’s teaching.
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MikeWM
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But by that argument - which I pretty much agree with - any course of action may well ‘turn out ok’. Indeed, it may well end up as so. Meanwhile, I’m going to do what my conscience and my God tells me is correct. That is, I’m going to work for an end to abortion, but I’m going to consider all the issues when I cast my vote.
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sirduckjr
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Hey Vern-
The point of the note was for you to rid your party of the pro-abortionist considering you mention abortion as the most important issue. Your silence about the Administrations support of Chaffee speaks volumes.
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estesbob
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You evidently dont understand how the Senate works. ALL the Republicans need from Chafee is for him to vote with them on majortiy leader. Conversly that is why it is wrong to vote for a demcorat for congress EVEN if they are pro-life-they would vote with the Demcorat Caucus which, if it was in the majortiy, would put a pro-abortion chairman on each and every comittee in ciongress. Party afffiliation does matter no matter how much those who vote democrat but claim to be pro life try to convince themselves otherwise.
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sirduckjr
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Actually I do understand. If you do not have a majority when trying to get a Judge confirmed, he will never serve. The point being, who is more likely to vote Yea for a Prolife Judge, Chaffee or his more Conservative opponet. How about Susan Collins/ Olympia Snowe or a pro-life candidate. There are many folks in the (Republicans)Senate who will not allow the next, or should I say swing Judge on Roe.Vs. Wade to get confirmed. So Bob, where you stand on an issue is important.
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sirduckjr
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In your example, you are trying to say that the majority party decides what comes up for a vote, and what doesn’t. And I would never try to argue that the Democrats would allow a vote on abortion if they held the majority. I remember the days of Tip O’neal.
The point that is totally niave in your argument is the likelyhood of the Republicans getting a super majority to create a new law to outlaw abortion. It will not happen in this country for a long, long time.
The only way the law is getting reversed is through Judges, not Legislation. Therefore, how each Senator votes on a Judge will come down to where he sits politically.
BTW, Chaffee voted against both Roberts and Alito.
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1281
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What issue is more important than abortion? None.
When your government is condoning genocide on a level that trumps Soviet pogroms and the Third Reich’s Holocaust, that is a big deal.
Bigger than the war, bigger than the economy, bigger than any form of ‘social justice,’ bigger than anything else - period.
I realize that many Republicans are just as genocidal as the Democrats, but they are aberrations within their party. The Democratic platform, meanwhile, is one that openly celebrates this slaughter as a ‘civil right.’
The fight to disarm this weapon of mass-destruction that is known as abortion and has been detonated in our society by the forces of ‘liberalism’ and secularism might be a long way from over. But its got to start somewhere and part of the solution is to put men and women into office who understand that legal abortion is unacceptable.
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When your government is condoning genocide on a level that trumps Soviet pogroms and the Third Reich’s Holocaust, that is a big deal.
Bigger than the war, bigger than the economy, bigger than any form of ‘social justice,’ bigger than anything else - period.
I realize that many Republicans are just as genocidal as the Democrats, but they are aberrations within their party. The Democratic platform, meanwhile, is one that openly celebrates this slaughter as a ‘civil right.’
The fight to disarm this weapon of mass-destruction that is known as abortion and has been detonated in our society by the forces of ‘liberalism’ and secularism might be a long way from over. But its got to start somewhere and part of the solution is to put men and women into office who understand that legal abortion is unacceptable.
-George
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estesbob
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Both of who were confirmed comfortably in the Senate, neither of whom would have made it out of Committee if the Democrats controlled the senate.
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nearing80
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Look how the Democrats not only raised the issue in our two most recent Supreme Court Justices they based their entire arguments on the issue. Was the man learned in judicial proceedings of the magnitude seen in the court(?) makes no difference. Abortion being the only factor. How two Catholics made it amazed me however I feel there were greater forces at work.
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mary_bobo
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This may have been said before, if so, please excuse. In the case of the above mentioned Chaffee, Collins and Snow are Rhinos. Certainly Chaffee’s opponent is the better choice of the two on the issue of abortion. But politically speaking, he (opponent) has not a chance in heck of being elected in that state, thus we get a Democrat. We all know where they stand as far as the issue of abortion is concerned. And where you stand on an issue is important, if you are not going against party platform. Chaffee has, Collins has and Snow has. But they are at least in a party whose platform is opposed to abortion.
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Ridgerunner
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I found myself formulating my core objection to Kerry in a conversation with a Swift Boat veteran who was thinking of voting for him “for old times sake”.
I asked the following: “John Kerry is Catholic, yet he has turned against some of the most fundamental Catholic principles. John Kerry was a soldier, yet he turned on his comrades in arms and called them murderers. If his religion and his comrades mean nothing to him, what on earth makes you think you do.?”
The vet changed his mind.
Still, since I am persuaded that Kerry would be utterly ineffective as president, and Hilary Clinton would likely be very effective an extremely dangerous, (Not just from the standpoint of policy. Remember the Travel Service and the mass of individuals’ FBI files that turned up in the White House) Kerry would be my definite choice as between the two.
I asked the following: “John Kerry is Catholic, yet he has turned against some of the most fundamental Catholic principles. John Kerry was a soldier, yet he turned on his comrades in arms and called them murderers. If his religion and his comrades mean nothing to him, what on earth makes you think you do.?”
The vet changed his mind.
Still, since I am persuaded that Kerry would be utterly ineffective as president, and Hilary Clinton would likely be very effective an extremely dangerous, (Not just from the standpoint of policy. Remember the Travel Service and the mass of individuals’ FBI files that turned up in the White House) Kerry would be my definite choice as between the two.
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vern_humphrey
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Can you try that again, in English this time?
I don’t recall telling anyone I supported Chaffee.
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JimR-OCDS
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I didn’t vote for John Kerry because I was told that it would be a sin to vote for a candidate who you know supports abortion.
I believed it, and voted for Dubya.
Look at the mess Dubya has made and the number of lives that have been lost because of his stupid decisions, not to mention how our country is being invaded, which is a violation of the US Constitution by the president and an impeacable act.
Meanwhile, abortion is still legal and always will be.
I believed it, and voted for Dubya.
Look at the mess Dubya has made and the number of lives that have been lost because of his stupid decisions, not to mention how our country is being invaded, which is a violation of the US Constitution by the president and an impeacable act.
Meanwhile, abortion is still legal and always will be.
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vern_humphrey
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It sure will, if Catholics keep voting for politicians who support abortion.I didn’t vote for John Kerry because I was told that it would be a sin to vote for a candidate who you know supports abortion.
I believed it, and voted for Dubya.
Look at the mess Dubya has made and the number of lives that have been lost because of his stupid decisions, not to mention how our country is being invaded, which is a violation of the US Constitution by the president and an impeacable act.
Meanwhile, abortion is still legal and always will be.
Our duty is to fight abortion – and we won’t win in one day, one election, or perhaps even in one lifetime. But that doesn’t change our duty.
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Julianna
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well Jim…welcome to the world of POLITICS! That is why I will never, ever, vote a straight ticket. Babies are still being aborted and soldiers are dying…for what?I didn’t vote for John Kerry because I was told that it would be a sin to vote for a candidate who you know supports abortion.
I believed it, and voted for Dubya.
Look at the mess Dubya has made and the number of lives that have been lost because of his stupid decisions, not to mention how our country is being invaded, which is a violation of the US Constitution by the president and an impeacable act.
Meanwhile, abortion is still legal and always will be.
You were told it would be a “sin”…really???
You know, if you have a choice between the lesser of two evils…you still end up choosing evil.
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Al_Masetti
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If you think things are confused now, wait until one of the Popes calls for something like a “crusade”.
No, wait, they did that already.
No, wait, they did that already.
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JimR-OCDS
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Well I live in Massachusetts, so voting for Bush was pretty much useless because there’s no way he would win here anyway.
I was going to leave the vote blank, but Massachusetts is so dominated by Democrats, that I wanted to send a message of support for Republicans and so I voted for Bush.
I think Bush is a horrible president and probably will go down in history as one of the worst.
Kerry wouldn’t have been much better, except that I think it’s better to have a different party in the White House, than the one controlling congress. In fact, if you look back in our recent history, when we’ve had the same party in the White House as the one controlling congress, it’s been bad.
Clinton’s years of success had much to do with a true conservative GOP, keeping him in check.
The Bush years have been almost completely a GOP congress, and they’re spending us into junk-bond status.
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maryj
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Jesus Christ was crucified for our sins, and yet sin still exsists. Think maybe God’s got His own plan?I didn’t vote for John Kerry because I was told that it would be a sin to vote for a candidate who you know supports abortion.
I believed it, and voted for Dubya.
Look at the mess Dubya has made and the number of lives that have been lost because of his stupid decisions, not to mention how our country is being invaded, which is a violation of the US Constitution by the president and an impeacable act.
Meanwhile, abortion is still legal and always will be.
I believed it, and I voted on God’s side.
Look at the mess Roe. vs. wade has made, and the number of lives that have been lost because of this stupid decision, Not to mention how our country has been invaded by Abortion clinics. Which is in direct violation of God’s “Constitution”, SO much more than an impeachable act.
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MikeWM
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Err, yes. Jesus was crucified for all our sins, not just the ones that had already taken place. God isn’t linear in the way we are.
I don’t think I’ve seen ‘God’s side’ at an election in my lifetime. I’ve seen some parties a bit closer than others, but… You’d think if there was a ‘God’s side’ the Bishops would be jumping up and down telling you which party to vote for. Oh well.
Mike
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