MERGED: Standing From The Peace Of Christ Until Everybody Has Received Holy Communion. Why?

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Feel free to follow any instructions that you wish.

I feel free to follow the instructions given by Rome.

"The mens [reasoning] is that the prescription of the Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani, no. 43, is intended, on the one hand, to ensure within broad limits a certain uniformity of posture within the congregation for the various parts of the celebration of Holy Mass, and on the other, to not regulate posture rigidly in such a way that those who wish to kneel or sit would no longer be free."

At least here we have the right to use our conscience to follow whomever we choose. Ain’t America great.
Yes - America is great - Semper Fi

I believe that - especially in this case - Rome would actually encourage you to follow the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in general and your Bishop in particular - unless you can direct me to that document … obedience to one’s Bishop where the Bishop is given the authority is something one should consider

Feeling free to act … and claiming to follow one’s “conscience” is how many dissenters defend themselves …

What is true in reality is that following one’s conscience means little more then following one’s personal opinion …

So when you have decided to act in defiance of your Bishop and follow your Conscience -

1] what questions did you ask yourself to reach this decision of conscience?
2] what answers to those questions led you to act in opposition to the Bishop’s instructions
3] how do your actions build up the unity of the Church as the Body of Christ?

Free will is a God given right - we are free to chose for the Body of Christ and Against the Body of Christ …

So - this is my observation regarding this particular instruction and since I live and work 3 hours apart - I regularly attend two parishes - one who follows the Bishop’s direction and one that does not:

At first the change felt strange - after years of standing after the Great Amen and then - re-kneeling until rising again to receive the Eucharist - to remain standing from immediately after the Great Amen to reception - seemed awkward … irreverent even …

However - re-kneeling action - lowering the kneelers and then the constant movement and lifting of the kneelers as each successive row rises and the noise associated with at action - is actually much less reverent then having the the congregation remain standing … IMHO …

When you pick and choose what instructions of your Bishop to follow or not … you set the example for those around you … they then can pick and choose what to follow or not … you can be leading others to into sin … and how important is this posture?
 

It seems that the Bishop figures that kneeling afterwards would allow us to pray and reflect, yet, for me, the moment had passed 😦
Really, it is within the norms when the faithful are encouraged to begin their thanksgiving by participating in the Communion hymn and then have a proper observed period of silence for personal prayer after the distribution of Communion is complete.

Was there no silence after the hymn?
 
Yes - America is great - Semper Fi

I believe that - especially in this case - Rome would actually encourage you to follow the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in general and your Bishop in particular - unless you can direct me to that document … obedience to one’s Bishop where the Bishop is given the authority is something one should consider

Feeling free to act … and claiming to follow one’s “conscience” is how many dissenters defend themselves …

What is true in reality is that following one’s conscience means little more then following one’s personal opinion …

So when you have decided to act in defiance of your Bishop and follow your Conscience -

1] what questions did you ask yourself to reach this decision of conscience?
2] what answers to those questions led you to act in opposition to the Bishop’s instructions
3] how do your actions build up the unity of the Church as the Body of Christ?

Free will is a God given right - we are free to chose for the Body of Christ and Against the Body of Christ …

So - this is my observation regarding this particular instruction and since I live and work 3 hours apart - I regularly attend two parishes - one who follows the Bishop’s direction and one that does not:

At first the change felt strange - after years of standing after the Great Amen and then - re-kneeling until rising again to receive the Eucharist - to remain standing from immediately after the Great Amen to reception - seemed awkward … irreverent even …

However - re-kneeling action - lowering the kneelers and then the constant movement and lifting of the kneelers as each successive row rises and the noise associated with at action - is actually much less reverent then having the the congregation remain standing … IMHO …

When you pick and choose what instructions of your Bishop to follow or not … you set the example for those around you … they then can pick and choose what to follow or not … you can be leading others to into sin … and how important is this posture?
Perhaps if our bishop payed more attention to encouraging the worship traditions of our church rather than encouraging illicit innovations and liturgical abuse, I would be more comfortable following his suggestions.

Rome itself gave me the option to choose to kneel after the Agnus Dei and that is good enough for me.

I pray for our bishop every week at Mass and I sincerely wish him a very happy retirement.
 
Really, it is within the norms when the faithful are encouraged to begin their thanksgiving by participating in the Communion hymn and then have a proper observed period of silence for personal prayer after the distribution of Communion is complete.

Was there no silence after the hymn?
There was silence, but it used to be that I could kneel while the others were still receiving (I sit 5 seats up from the front) therefore this gave me much time to pray silently until the end. We only had quiet music during communion.

Now, they ask us to sing a hymn until everyone is finished, then, afterwards, we have a quiet time. Yep, I had a quiet time, but that was all… There was no spontaneous feeling of thanksgiving to it like before. The moment had passed. Being within the norms or not doesn’t mean it brings more thoughtfulness within a practice.

What do you prefer? A kiss from your child just because he appreciates what you do for him or a gift for mother’s day or father’s day because it’s expected? Weak analogy, but it does vaguely explain it.

Like I said previously, I will obey my Bishop, and hope that time will rectify my feelings on this, but that doesn’t mean I have to think that my Bishop doesn’t make errors.
 
Yes - America is great - Semper Fi

I believe that - especially in this case - Rome would actually encourage you to follow the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in general and your Bishop in particular - unless you can direct me to that document … obedience to one’s Bishop where the Bishop is given the authority is something one should consider

Feeling free to act … and claiming to follow one’s “conscience” is how many dissenters defend themselves …

What is true in reality is that following one’s conscience means little more then following one’s personal opinion …

So when you have decided to act in defiance of your Bishop and follow your Conscience -

1] what questions did you ask yourself to reach this decision of conscience?
2] what answers to those questions led you to act in opposition to the Bishop’s instructions
3] how do your actions build up the unity of the Church as the Body of Christ?

Free will is a God given right - we are free to chose for the Body of Christ and Against the Body of Christ …

So - this is my observation regarding this particular instruction and since I live and work 3 hours apart - I regularly attend two parishes - one who follows the Bishop’s direction and one that does not:

At first the change felt strange - after years of standing after the Great Amen and then - re-kneeling until rising again to receive the Eucharist - to remain standing from immediately after the Great Amen to reception - seemed awkward … irreverent even …

However - re-kneeling action - lowering the kneelers and then the constant movement and lifting of the kneelers as each successive row rises and the noise associated with at action - is actually much less reverent then having the the congregation remain standing … IMHO …

When you pick and choose what instructions of your Bishop to follow or not … you set the example for those around you … they then can pick and choose what to follow or not … you can be leading others to into sin … and how important is this posture?
It’s hard to know where to begin answering your many questions. When I entered my present diocese, five years ago, the Bishop had already directed the people of the diocese to stand after the doxology until all had received Communion. When I joined my parish, it was customary for all to do as he asked. This is difficult for me because I have always knelt for adoration in the past. I tried to follow suit, but it felt wrong. Now, when there are others in the pew, I follow what they do, and stand, but when I am the only occupant of the pew, I kneel. I kneel just long enough for adoration. Then I join the others standing. There is no loud noise from my pew. I quietly raise the kneeler after adoration. No one, including the pastor, has ever said anything to me regarding my posture. It bothers no one, and quiets my conscience. After Communion, many kneel, including me. When the deacon is purifying the chalice, the priest, himself, kneels. I don’t think my very short period of kneeling bothers him, or anyone, since I take others in the pew into consideration. When I tried standing after Communion, I found that my concentration was very limited. This intimate time with the Lord is too vital to me to care what others are doing. I kneel.
 
There was silence, but it used to be that I could kneel while the others were still receiving (I sit 5 seats up from the front) therefore this gave me much time to pray silently until the end. We only had quiet music during communion.

Now, they ask us to sing a hymn until everyone is finished, then, afterwards, we have a quiet time. Yep, I had a quiet time, but that was all… There was no spontaneous feeling of thanksgiving to it like before. The moment had passed. Being within the norms or not doesn’t mean it brings more thoughtfulness within a practice.

What do you prefer? A kiss from your child just because he appreciates what you do for him or a gift for mother’s day or father’s day because it’s expected? Weak analogy, but it does vaguely explain it.

Like I said previously, I will obey my Bishop, and hope that time will rectify my feelings on this, but that doesn’t mean I have to think that my Bishop doesn’t make errors.
It is interesting, because in the eastern tradition, the prayers preceed the reception of Holy Communion. There are private prayers before the liturgy begins, in anticipation.

I suppose we all would like a spiritual experience at the time of Holy Communion. But, I have to ask, do we believe that we receive the Holy Spirit even when we not feel it?

To answer the questions. It would be greater if a child did for me what was expected for the sake of good, for it would demonstrate virtue. In the example fondness is pitted against a material gift, but when starving I want bread not a kiss, and when well fed I want a kiss rather than bread.

I believe that expression of virtue is superior: Luke 6:33 And if you do good to them who do good to you, what thanks are to you? For sinners also do this.
 
The CCCB has actually just adopted the universal GIRM as far as posture goes: the only place where we are mandated to kneel is at the Consecration. It was in response to a question on that article back in 2003 that Cardinal Arinze made it clear that the Bishops have no authority to order standing after people return from Communion and that they can sit, stand or kneel, as they wish.
I think you bring up an important point concerning Cardinal Arinze.

Kneeling, Kneelers, Altar Rails, and Cardinal Arinze
youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0g3UMRtMM
Code:
        Communion Kneeling and on the Tongue is Preferred Form - Cardinal
Arinze & Redemptionishttp:youtube.com/watch?v=Ap1KL2D5ae4
Code:
        Instructions on Kneeling &c. from Cardinal
Arinze youtube.com/watch?v=mPnk9sbXCNE

After Receiving Communion One May Kneel
adoremus.org/Kneeling-CDW-response03.html

As I mentioned in this thread our parish priest has instructed the congregation to stand in solidarity for the Risen Christ we are to remain standing through the entire Roman Canon or any other entire Eucharistic Prayer until ALL have received Holy Communion.

It would seem to me that anything Cardinal Arinze has expressed on this subject of Postures is completely void and/or nullified at least in my archdiocese.

It also seems clear to me that the nature of the Risen Christ on the Altar is far more important than the Sacrificial nature of Jesus Christ humbled for all in invisible form for the expiation of sins. I am a great sinner. I cannot forget the unspeakable price that my Savior Jesus did to save me from damnation. At the very least I should adore and love my God for what He has done for me; what He has done for humanity.

How can one effectively celebrate the Risen Christ without First humbly remembering the great Sacrifice He made.

I am at a complete loss to understand Bishops and Priests who see standing as a gesture of humble adoration after having partaken of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus our Savior. Obedience takes precedence over Adoration.:confused:
 
I think you bring up an important point concerning Cardinal Arinze.

Kneeling, Kneelers, Altar Rails, and Cardinal Arinze
youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0g3UMRtMM
Code:
        Communion Kneeling and on the Tongue is Preferred Form - Cardinal
Arinze & Redemptionishttp:youtube.com/watch?v=Ap1KL2D5ae4
Code:
        Instructions on Kneeling &c. from Cardinal
Arinze youtube.com/watch?v=mPnk9sbXCNE

After Receiving Communion One May Kneel
adoremus.org/Kneeling-CDW-response03.html

As I mentioned in this thread our parish priest has instructed the congregation to stand in solidarity for the Risen Christ we are to remain standing through the entire Roman Canon or any other entire Eucharistic Prayer until ALL have received Holy Communion.

It would seem to me that anything Cardinal Arinze has expressed on this subject of Postures is completely void and/or nullified at least in my archdiocese.

It also seems clear to me that the nature of the Risen Christ on the Altar is far more important than the Sacrificial nature of Jesus Christ humbled for all in invisible form for the expiation of sins. I am a great sinner. I cannot forget the unspeakable price that my Savior Jesus did to save me from damnation. At the very least I should adore and love my God for what He has done for me; what He has done for humanity.

How can one effectively celebrate the Risen Christ without First humbly remembering the great Sacrifice He made.

I am at a complete loss to understand Bishops and Priests who see standing as a gesture of humble adoration after having partaken of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus our Savior. Obedience takes precedence over Adoration.:confused:
Imagine our consternation when we were instructed to STAND for the Consecration and bow profoundly when the priest genuflects (which our regular priests never do).

We had all been looking forward to going back to kneeling which we were told to stop 12 years ago and which the bishop at the time told us we had to obey because it was ordered by the Pastor. Wonder if he knew the Pastor had been bullied into making that announcement by two women who worked closely with him and to whom he couldn’t say ‘no’?
 
Imagine our consternation when we were instructed to STAND for the Consecration and bow profoundly when the priest genuflects (which our regular priests never do).

We had all been looking forward to going back to kneeling which we were told to stop 12 years ago and which the bishop at the time told us we had to obey because it was ordered by the Pastor. Wonder if he knew the Pastor had been bullied into making that announcement by two women who worked closely with him and to whom he couldn’t say ‘no’?
Wonder if he knew the Pastor had been bullied into making that announcement by two women who worked closely with him and to whom he couldn’t say ‘no’?

Interesting you should make this statement. In my archdiocese three women lead the Archdiocesan Liturgical Committee for both the English and French Deaneries with the archbishop’s full endorsement. Our archbishop recently submitted his official retirement to Pope Benedict XVI for August 1st, 2012. I’m all for involvement of the laity and those educated enough to serve in certain positions in a diocese/parish as the Bishop deems necessary.

With an ever increasing shortage of priests especially in eastern Canada, important jobs within a diocesan or parish office once held by the knowledgeable clergy have now been taken over by educated laity at all levels of church affairs. The laity no matter how well educated can never replace ordained priests or deacons for that matter. Sometimes I seriously question educated laity members serving high positions in church office can really replace a priest who goes to a seminary to study all theological aspects of the Church affairs, let alone the most important Liturgical spirituality of the Sacred Mass. When it comes to important liturgical matters officialed by the laity have you ever heard the blind leading the blind?
 
I think you bring up an important point concerning Cardinal Arinze.

Kneeling, Kneelers, Altar Rails, and Cardinal Arinze
youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0g3UMRtMM
Code:
        Communion Kneeling and on the Tongue is Preferred Form - Cardinal
Arinze & Redemptionishttp:youtube.com/watch?v=Ap1KL2D5ae4
Code:
        Instructions on Kneeling &c. from Cardinal
Arinze youtube.com/watch?v=mPnk9sbXCNE

After Receiving Communion One May Kneel
adoremus.org/Kneeling-CDW-response03.html

As I mentioned in this thread our parish priest has instructed the congregation to stand in solidarity for the Risen Christ we are to remain standing through the entire Roman Canon or any other entire Eucharistic Prayer until ALL have received Holy Communion.

It would seem to me that anything Cardinal Arinze has expressed on this subject of Postures is completely void and/or nullified at least in my archdiocese.

It also seems clear to me that the nature of the Risen Christ on the Altar is far more important than the Sacrificial nature of Jesus Christ humbled for all in invisible form for the expiation of sins. I am a great sinner. I cannot forget the unspeakable price that my Savior Jesus did to save me from damnation. At the very least I should adore and love my God for what He has done for me; what He has done for humanity.

How can one effectively celebrate the Risen Christ without First humbly remembering the great Sacrifice He made.

I am at a complete loss to understand Bishops and Priests who see standing as a gesture of humble adoration after having partaken of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus our Savior. Obedience takes precedence over Adoration.:confused:
I think your post illustrates quite clearly the signs of the times and points to how “fractured” (for lack of a better word) the Church has become. Our precious Mother herself, in one approved church apparition, gave the message that without repentance, we would see bishop against bishop. The lack of continuity and regard for Tradition drives me crazy, but we are all seeing it on some level, regardless where we live. We can only be obedient, offer our consternation to the Lord and be consoled by sensus fidei - that indwelling of the Spirit that helps us adhere to Truth.
 
Brendan said:
I believe the issue there were that some bishops (and priests) were acting in violation of Rome’s various rulings stating that the faithful were free to kneel if they so chose.

Bishops who were restricting the freedom that Rome gave to the faithful were acting against Rome, and therefore the faithful have a right to lodge complaints.

I am unaware of any specific ruling from Rome that this bishop is acting against.
If you are aware of one, please let us know.

If not, comparing this with the kneeling issue is apples and oranges.
No, the issue was whether or not one who stands is just going along with the congregation “in a practice that is against what the Holy Father wishes” , making it sound like the bishops did not have the authority to set the posture as standing. **Oneofthewomen’s **question about doing what the bishop wants in one case but not the other was right on target.
 
No, the issue was whether or not one who stands is just going along with the congregation “in a practice that is against what the Holy Father wishes” , making it sound like the bishops did not have the authority to set the posture as standing. **Oneofthewomen’s **question about doing what the bishop wants in one case but not the other was right on target.
I think you are refering to a position I do not hold. I happen to agree with you in regards to recieving Holy Communion from the Holy Father. I do not feel that recieving while standing is somehow against the Pope’s wishes

My comments were in regards to the ruling by the CDWDS in regards to the freedom to kneel.

Many assumed that if the bishop mandated standing, that kneeling was an act of disobedience. Rome said it was not and stated why so.
Prot. n. 47 / 03 / L
Rome, 26 February 2003
Dear [name deleted],
This Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments has received through official channels your letter dated 1 December 2002, related to the application of the norms approved by the Conference of Bishops of the United States of America, with the subsequent recognitio of this Congregation, as regards the question of the posture for receiving Holy Communion.
As the authority by virtue of whose recognitio the norm in question has attained the force of law, this Dicastery is competent to specify the manner in which the norm is to be understood for the sake of a proper application. Having received more than a few letters regarding this matter from different locations in the United States of America, the Congregation wishes to ensure that its position on the matter is clear.
To this end, it is perhaps useful to respond to your inquiry by repeating the content of a letter that the Congregation recently addressed to a Bishop in the United States of America from whose Diocese a number of pertinent letters had been received. The letter states: "… while this Congregation gave the recognitio to the norm desired by the Bishops’ Conference of your country that people stand for Holy Communion, this was done on the condition that communicants who choose to kneel are not to be denied Holy Communion on these grounds. Indeed, the faithful should not be imposed upon nor accused of disobedience and of acting illicitly when they kneel to receive Holy Communion".
This Dicastery hopes that the citation given here will provide an adequate answer to your letter. At the same time, please be assured that the Congregation remains ready to be of assistance if you should need to contact it again.
With every prayerful good wish, I am
Sincerely yours in Christ,
Mons. Mario Marini
Undersecretary
(emphasis mine)

As noted, Rome is the entity that gives the GIRM the force of law ( not actually the local bishops).

And thus, it is Rome’s interpretation of the GIRM that has the force of law ( Canon 16)

So bishops who acted contrary to this ruling were acting in opposition to the liturgical law. Indeed, on this forum, I have seen several lay people make the claim that those who kneel are disobedient, despite Romes command otherwise.

As I noted above, I am not aware of a similar ruling which restricts the bishop’s authority to set posture for the Pater Noster.

If one has been issued, I would honestly be glad to be made aware of it.
 
I think you are refering to a position I do not hold. I happen to agree with you in regards to recieving Holy Communion from the Holy Father. I do not feel that recieving while standing is somehow against the Pope’s wishes
Thanks for making that clear. That was the point that I was trying to make when the conversation took a turn.
 
No, the issue was whether or not one who stands is just going along with the congregation “in a practice that is against what the Holy Father wishes” , making it sound like the bishops did not have the authority to set the posture as standing. **Oneofthewomen’s **question about doing what the bishop wants in one case but not the other was right on target.
Yes, you understood my question correctly.
And, other than this comment
JM3 said:
People think that how they feel is more important than obedience to the Bishop or that they are being ‘traditional’.
🙂
no one has addressed it. So, I guess this is the answer. 😊
Very sad…
 
With an ever increasing shortage of priests especially in eastern Canada, important jobs within a diocesan or parish office once held by the knowledgeable clergy have now been taken over by educated laity at all levels of church affairs. The laity no matter how well educated can never replace ordained priests or deacons for that matter. Sometimes I seriously question educated laity members serving high positions in church office can really replace a priest who goes to a seminary to study all theological aspects of the Church affairs, let alone the most important Liturgical spirituality of the Sacred Mass. When it comes to important liturgical matters officialed by the laity have you ever heard the blind leading the blind?
What I’ve heard from many priests and seminarians is that they learn very little about Liturgy in the seminary. In fact, both priests and seminarians were in the courses I was taking, courses designed for those working/volunteering in liturgical aspects of parish life. They were doing this on their own to supplement the little they got in the seminary.

We were taught to read the documents but what I’ve found in practice is that the priests I worked with wanted to do what they wanted to do regardless of what the documents said. “ROME!? We haven’t listened to Rome before and we aren’t about to start now!” This from a priest and former seminary professor, professor of the man who was my Pastor at the time those words were shouted at me over the use of EMHC’s when priests were sitting doing nothing. Sometimes the laity are the ones who have it right.
 
What I’ve heard from many priests and seminarians is that they learn very little about Liturgy in the seminary. In fact, both priests and seminarians were in the courses I was taking, courses designed for those working/volunteering in liturgical aspects of parish life. They were doing this on their own to supplement the little they got in the seminary.

We were taught to read the documents but what I’ve found in practice is that the priests I worked with wanted to do what they wanted to do regardless of what the documents said. “ROME!? We haven’t listened to Rome before and we aren’t about to start now!” This from a priest and former seminary professor, professor of the man who was my Pastor at the time those words were shouted at me over the use of EMHC’s when priests were sitting doing nothing. Sometimes the laity are the ones who have it right.
So true.
And that is why our former pastor hired a lay person, a former seminarian, who had more knowledge than he of how the Liturgy was to supposed to be done to make sure things were done properly. Our present young pastor is much more informed and he did away with the position of Director of Liturgy. It is a difficult situation for you, Phemie, when you want to do things properly but are not always getting the support you need from your pastor and priests.
 
Perhaps if our bishop payed more attention to encouraging the worship traditions of our church rather than encouraging illicit innovations and liturgical abuse, I would be more comfortable following his suggestions.

Rome itself gave me the option to choose to kneel after the Agnus Dei and that is good enough for me.

I pray for our bishop every week at Mass and I sincerely wish him a very happy retirement.
I do not believe - nor have I ever witnessed - our Bishop encourage illicit innovations. In person or in written instruction. I have seen and heard him address many traditions - and the man leads a beautiful and reverent Rosary - on a bus …

If you believe that the standing after the Agnue Dei is an illicit innovation then you are mistaken - the GIRM allows for the Bishop to direct otherwise - if the opposite was true then the Girm would clearly direct the posture without allowing the Bishop to direct otherwise … you are not more perfect in your faith then any other Catholic - be they Bishop, priest or lay - no matter how you set yourself up at the defender of "…the worship traditions of our church … " and lead opposition to the local Bishop.

We shall disagree -

I will only offer this caustion - when one sets oneself up in opposition to one’s Bishop - it should give you pause … that you then sow the seeds of dissention is bad form for others who may take your dissent and use it to justify opposition to other serious Christian ‘authentic’ teachings … after all the reformers were not 100% wrong - there were abuses - but the harm caused the the Christian faithful and the dis-unity that has - at times - overshadowed the Gospel message is alive and well some 500 years later …

And I know this for a fact - your Bishop prays for you on a daily basis as one of the sould for whose care he has been entrusted … not just every week - every day … and I will add my prayers for “Roadsend” to his.

Pax Christe
 
If you believe that the standing after the Agnue Dei is an illicit innovation then you are mistaken - the GIRM allows for the Bishop to direct otherwise - if the opposite was true then the Girm would clearly direct the posture without allowing the Bishop to direct otherwise …
In fact, the universal GIRM has standing at that point. Kneeling after the Agnus Dei is a US adaptation and the USCCB allows individual bishops to opt out of it for their diocese.
 
One of the thing i stuggle most with as a practicing catholic is the receiving communion part. And this is not about receiving on the tongue or in the hand. But to kneel or not to kneel.

Are there any other catholics out there that has the same issues? I asked my parish priest about this and this church is a bit special, in the mainroom there are no tabernacle, but it is in the sidechapel where the week masses are celebrated.

The thing is: in the parish church, it is normally no habit to kneel before recieving communion, but i have seen others do it before. And last year, a priest adviced me to kneel no matter what or where you are.

What makes it difficult is that my parish priest say my kneeling could seem demonstrative to others. I attend in another parish where it is more common and sometimes in the monestary church to the dominicans where it is all fine.

I am not really sure what to do and yes, this bothers me quite a bit.I feel disrespectful receiving communion on the tongue standing. The last thing i want to do is to disrespect the Lord.

🤷
 
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