Mexico bishops launch 'the migrant is a gift' campaign on social media

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Theo520 said:
I’m very disappointed in this social media campaign

The Mexicoan Bishops should be caring for their poor, not exporting them.
If they need help to tend their flock, then ask for it. I’ve searched and seen no calls from them for aid.

https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2...ps-launch-migrant-gift-campaign-social-media/

Subsidiarity doesn’t mean you shuffle off your responsibility onto someone else.
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I assumed this would be directed towards the migrants moving into Mexico, lol.
 
HolySpirit said:
I think some of your opinions will change as more refugees arrive on your soil. People get resentful as their taxes are raised to fund others when you don’t have the money to take care of the people who are already citizens.

American welcome people to chase the American dream. What we ask is that you do it according to the rules we have established.

I am sure that you don’t like houseguests that overstay their welcome or invite strangers to move into your flat.
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Exactly what I believe.

I don’t “hate” illegal immigrants and I’m not a “racist” in that I don’t have anything against them because of their race, ethnicity, etc.

But we should take care of our own citizens first.

We can help U.S. veterans and other citizens in need first, then we can talk about saving the rest of the world.

And I also don’t like taxing working class citizens more to pay for non-citizens.

It’s like taking care of your own family first. If you have five children, you wouldn’t decide not to feed one of them just so you could afford to feed someone else in the community.
 
Gab123 said:
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Theo520:
Why should being poorer than someone else give you free immigration rights?
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Not free immigration rights, but rather, not make it impossible for them to immigrate. They come for the same reason why all the first generation Irish, Italians and Germans came here in the first place, seeking opportunity. They should make it easier for people that want to come and work to come.
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There is a big difference.

Members of my family came over during the Industrial Revolution to a burgeoning mill town where there were plenty of jobs. They weren’t taking jobs away from people who were already here. And they didn’t work “under the table” for low wages thereby depressing wages for others.
 
I wasn’t responding to the article, just a sentiment shown in this thread.
 
Gab123 said:
Not free immigration rights, but rather, not make it impossible for them to immigrate. They come for the same reason why all the first generation Irish, Italians and Germans came here in the first place, seeking opportunity. They should make it easier for people that want to come and work to come.
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Why should poorer people automatically jump to the front of the queue, and what is your standard?
It sounds like you have them going in front of legit refugees.

Also, why do you hate our existing poor citizens, that you wish to punish them so?

Illegal immigrants do serious harm to our most vulnerable citizens. Low skilled illegals compete directly with low skilled citizens, harming the same people we invest trillions in welfare to supposedly help. Plenty of solid economic articles details this, no excuse for you not to know it.

I am extremely delighted that we have record low unemployment for minorities, especially black teens. Imagine if this continues for years, and the impact. What do you think the hope and prospects are for a 20 something black adult who’s never had a real job, vs one who started working in his late teens. Which one leaned basic responsibility, job skills, which one was then set to find a better paying job, or had more motivation to go back to school? We may end up with a generation of employable black men who were too busy to get involved in illegal activities. A generation of black men who can earn a living wage.

It’s basic subsidiarity. Our poor are primarily our responsibility, and the poor in mexico are primarily the responsibility of the Mexican Govt and the Church in Mexico. We should help them where they want or ask for our help, but we should not try supplant them in fulfilling their responsibility.
 
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Theo520 said:
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Gab123:
Not free immigration rights, but rather, not make it impossible for them to immigrate. They come for the same reason why all the first generation Irish, Italians and Germans came here in the first place, seeking opportunity. They should make it easier for people that want to come and work to come.
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Why should poorer people automatically jump to the front of the queue, and what is your standard?
It sounds like you have them going in front of legit refugees.
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That’s another important point.

Not only do illegals impose costs on citizens in general, but if you let them in you’re insulting people who came in the right way.

I have a lot of respect for immigrants. Legal immigrants who have to jump through hoops to get here.

Immigrants who want to become citizens go through a process that takes years, and costs money in legal fees. And then somebody else can just jump the border and get freebies and people make excuses for them.
 
signit said:
Members of my family came over during the Industrial Revolution to a burgeoning mill town where there were plenty of jobs. They weren’t taking jobs away from people who were already here. And they didn’t work “under the table” for low wages thereby depressing wages for others.
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As for working under the table for low wages, that’s the employer who is taking advantage of people. But many immigrants are self employed and open businesses; they come here for the opportunity that this country offers people who are willing to work hard and sacrifice. And there are plenty of jobs for people who do base jobs, McDonalds is always hiring Andy fruit plenty of old men who are fruit pickers in California; not exactly jobs people make a career out of. Most of the poor people in this country is not the result of lack of opportunity and jobs. I think the legalization of hard working immigrants should be streamlined, and offered full citizenship for younger immigrants who volunteer for military service; military is always looking for recruits.
 
Theo520 said:
Also, why do you hate our existing poor citizens, that you wish to punish them so?

Illegal immigrants do serious harm to our most vulnerable citizens. Low skilled illegals compete directly with low skilled citizens, harming the same people we invest trillions in welfare to supposedly help.
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I think there is a lot of rationalizing going on to keep Hispanic people from becoming citizens of this country, which has nothing to do with economics. As for the welfare system that is one of the problems which has destroyed the incentive to work; as for the black population you mentioned, the lephant in the room is fatherless homes, not lack of opportunity.

Furthermore, the fertility rate in this country has been below replacement levels for a decade as people are contracepting themselves out of existence, so this economy could use a boost Increasing and streamlining the process for people to come into this country to work, pay taxes and have a path to citizenship. It’s easy to say to get in line, but realize that the average wait for a teenager to come into this country legally from Mexico is 30 years, and the cost is high, and if you don’t know the right people, good luck.

I think the issue has more to do with ethnicity not jobs…
 
There is Justice a foot here, which many Racially European Americans resent… Aztecs were on this Continent looooong before the Europeans arrived and overthrew the Resident Native Americans. Nature is rebalancing the mix. What goes around comes around, that’s just how it works. I am proud to be a Catholic.
 
Gab123 said:
think there is a lot of rationalizing going on to keep Hispanic people from becoming citizens of this country, which has nothing to do with economics. As for the welfare system that is one of the problems which has destroyed the incentive to work; as for the black population you mentioned, the lephant in the room is fatherless homes, not lack of opportunity.

Furthermore, the fertility rate in this country has been below replacement levels for a decade as people are contracepting themselves out of existence, so this economy could use a boost Increasing and streamlining the process for people to come into this country to work, pay taxes and have a path to citizenship. It’s easy to say to get in line, but realize that the average wait for a teenager to come into this country legally from Mexico is 30 years, and the cost is high, and if you don’t know the right people, good luck.

I think the issue has more to do with ethnicity not jobs…
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If you call ‘rule of law’ rationalizing, I find that strange on your part.

I think you are projecting racism against illegal hispanics that does not exist. They have no special rights, they don’t get to jump the fence and jump the queue. I fully welcome immigrants that follow the law.

The welfare system is directly related to the job market. Full employment makes it much easier to contain welfare to the truly needy rather than whole communities.

Your concern about the fertility rate seems feigned, it’s not a problem. Don’t we have too many people here?
Do you understand how population growth is connected with GDP? Rapid pop growth requires rapid GDP growth just to maintain the status quo. Low pop growth means a much lower GDP is required to keep everyone employed.

The wait is long for teenagers from every country, nothing is sinful about letting them stay in their home country, we are not obligated to adopt everyone who wants to live here. If we have an obligation, it is to share and help them live better lives in their current country of residence. We also shouldn’t be taking any teenagers as immigrants, unless their parents are legally immigrating.

In closing, please explain why you place hispanics above wishful immigrants from the Philippines, or any other country?
 
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There is no difference between Hispanics and immigrants from the Philippines. (Hispanics just have a more powerful lobby.)
 
Theo520 said:
please explain why you place hispanics above wishful immigrants from the Philippines, or any other country?
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Obviously because we have 95% of Hispanics in the world south of our border; close enough where people can become legal migrant workers and travel to and fro. Also, maybe because half of the territory of the United States used to belong to Mexico before it was taken over by force, special preference can be made for Mexicans, at least let the people come in and work. Maybe set up a joint U.S.-Mexican commuter trains to legally transport migrant workers so they can regularly see their families without anguish having to risk life just to have a livelihood. I think both countries could benefit.
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Theo520 said:
If you call ‘rule of law’ rationalizing, I find that strange on your part.
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Again, rules of law can change, they are not set in stone. You may have an issue with people coming here illegally; so then change the law so they can come legally and orderly. That way you don’t have to fret about the law. And you know that laws are not always just.
Theo520 said:
nothing is sinful about letting them stay in their home country, we are not obligated to adopt everyone who wants to live here.
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It’s always good to help those in need and to welcome the stranger, especially when families are torn apart. Even St. Padre Pio’s father traveled to the United States in search of work to support his family. Not automatic citizenship but if they come to work, streamline the Green Card process, especially when it involves close family. And not play games with people’s lives and making it extremely difficult for people who are just not wanted. As Catholics we must look at the issue from a human perspective, not merely an economic “this is ours not yours!” attitude? After all, the Vicar of Jesus Christ has brought up the need to have a genuinely Catholic --not a Protestant Evangelical perspective on the matter.

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"Alejandro Bojorquez started out in that line 15 years ago, when his father was a legal permanent resident and Alejandro was 12 and living with his mother in Mexico.His father got his green card under a 1986 law, signed by President Ronald Reagan, that granted amnesty to 1 million undocumented farmworkers. Alejandro’s mother got her green card four years ago.

But when Alejandro turned 21, the government automatically switched him to a different category, one for unmarried adult children of legal permanent residents. That line is even longer."
 
Did Padre Pio’s father stay in America?

The hate being shown to Phillipinos makes me sad. Asians always end up with the short end of the stick by liberals. Where does the hate come from? Sad.
 
Yeah it’s such a shame Europeans arrived and ended human sacrifice and other pagan evils.

We should have respected their culture and let them go on slaughtering each other to their heathen gods.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
Yeah it’s such a shame Europeans arrived and ended human sacrifice and other pagan evils.

We should have respected their culture and let them go on slaughtering each other to their heathen gods.
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Realize that the Spanish Christianized the natives and created the Mestizo ethnicity; which is the mixed ancestry of white European and indigenous Latin American. Thus Mexicans have Spanish blood; Unlike what happened in the with the U.S. expansionist endeavor that pushed the native people from their lands and killed those who defended their territory and marched them to reservations in the middle of nowhere. No blend of people and cultures there.
 
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HolySpirit said:
There is no difference between Hispanics and immigrants from the Philippines. (Hispanics just have a more powerful lobby.)
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They also live on the other side of the world. Migrant workers leave their families to work but return to them off season.
 
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