Mexico bishops launch 'the migrant is a gift' campaign on social media

[JanSobieskiIII]

Then offer proof showing it was known about before. I’ve yet to find a document that lists gold as any cause. Only land and border disputes.

 

[Gab123]

Then offer proof showing it was known about before. I’ve yet to find a document that lists gold as any cause. Only land and border disputes.

California was known as the “Land of Gold” . The border disputes were not in California; the forced treaty included California. Oh well; I guess we have them to thank for Hollywood.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

That’s not evidence. That’s conjecture.

Florida was believe to hold the fountain of youth

 

[Gab123]

That’s not evidence. That’s conjecture.

Florida was believe to hold the fountain of youth

Gold was never a myth

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

Show. Some. Evidence.

Find an article that shows gold being discovered before America annexed it and that it was a causus belli

 

[Gab123]

Show. Some. Evidence.

Find an article that shows gold being discovered before America annexed it and that it was a causus belli

Well, I think you can connect the dots. WMDs were not the reason for invading Iraq either; though there’s plenty of paper trail evidence for that…

 

[Theo520]

country?

Proximity was taken into consideration when we set up quotas. What do you have against targeting diversity in our immigration?

We have seasonal ag visas and a commuter train doesn’t work, it doesn’t get people to the multitude of farms.

Again, rules of law can change, they are not set in stone. You may have an issue with people coming here illegally; so then change the law so they can come legally and orderly. That way you don’t have to fret about the law. And you know that laws are not always just.

You seem insistent at rationalizing breaking the law. I’m happy with the law we have, I don’t agree with your changes and they won’t solve the problems created my large numbers of economic migrants.

You should learn to respect the law that you have, and work to change it where it is unjust. Many disagree with you that it’s unjust BTW.

It’s always good to help those in need and to welcome the stranger, especially when families are torn apart. Even St. Padre Pio’s father traveled to the United States in search of work to support his family. Not automatic citizenship but if they come to work, streamline the Green Card process, especially when it involves close family. And not play games with people’s lives and making it extremely difficult for people who are just not wanted. As Catholics we must look at the issue from a human perspective, not merely an economic “this is ours not yours!” attitude? After all, the Vicar of Jesus Christ has brought up the need to have a genuinely Catholic --not a Protestant Evangelical perspective on the matter.

Our obligation to help strangers doesn’t equal enabling illegal immigration.

Send all your spare change to Mexico if that’s how you choose to help. I focus on strangers in my city that need help and are here legally.

Alejandro is with his mother in Mexico, the family that raised him. But I do think if we can curtail illegal immigration, we will then improve the process of legal immigration, though there will always be quotas and you can always cherry pick someone from the bottom of the queue as your sob story.

 

[Gab123]

Send all your spare change to Mexico if that’s how you choose to help. I focus on strangers in my city that need help and are here legally.

It’s not about giving handouts, but rather to deal with a humanitarian situation. It’s not about sob stories, it’s about human beings seeking a opportunities for their families. Obviously a follower of Christ is going to look at the situation through the lens of the Church. Streamline the process to get a green card for people to work. Obviously they will not be taking away jobs from anybody that is willing to work hard. The wrong attitude would be to say This is mine! Not Yours! Get Out!

One thing that could be done is to change the laws, that way you won’t gripe about laws being broken?

 

[Theo520]

It’s not about giving handouts, but rather to deal with a humanitarian situation. It’s not about sob stories, it’s about human beings seeking a opportunities for their families. Obviously a follower of Christ is going to look at the situation through the lens of the Church. Streamline the process to get a green card for people to work. Obviously they will not be taking away jobs from anybody that is willing to work hard. The wrong attitude would be to say This is mine! Not Yours! Get Out!

One thing that could be done is to change the laws, that way you won’t gripe about laws being broken?

When Mexico has a crisis or earthquake, we do provide humanitarian aid.

Going back to the OP, have the Mexican Bishops asked us to provide humanitarian aid, has any responsibly body declared there is a humanitarian crisis, OR IS IT JUST IN YOUR MIND?

I say it’s in your mind since neither Church nor Govt in Mexico is asking for humanitarian help.

I notice you put a caveat in your jobs comment. They are taking jobs away from citizens. Being a harder worker isn’t justification for breaking the law, and the best thing we can do for our destitute is get them employed and productive, even if they are less productive than ambitious illegals.

 

[Gab123]

They are taking jobs away from citizens. Being a harder worker isn’t justification for breaking the law, and the best thing we can do for our destitute is get them employed and productive, even if they are less productive than ambitious illegals.

The destitute in this country is not because of a lack of jobs. Again, this country should streamline the process for getting green cards. All the people living in the shadows working for years, paying taxes and being taken advantage of, are not going to be thrown out of this country. So they might as well be helped to assimilate and be part of the system legally. Sure, build the wall. but then include that door to process people in legally without having to wait a lifetime…

But we as individual Catholics must see people not as legal or illegal, but as men, women and children…

 

[Theo520]

Of course there are a lack of jobs in many locations across the US.
Despite overall sustained GDP growth in US, some cities still hit hard by extreme poverty

The next step is to get people without jobs to move to where there are jobs needing filling.

People here illegally should be deported so we can focus our resources on very serious issues that are being ignored, like education, addiction, homelessness. It’s a win win if we can get people off Govt services and paying taxes instead. Having an illegal paying modest taxes while others are on welfare is a net loss.

Not everyone who wants can come, that’s life. We don’t owe them anything, but we do owe citizens something. We should focus on our needs, letting in only what we require.

All these people you want to let in but can’t go through the legal process should try to improve their circumstances in their legal country. If you are so intent on fixing things for Mexico then move there and get into their politics.

 

[Gab123]

People here illegally should be deported

I think if people have come in illegally recently, maybe 3 years or less yes. But when it comes to people who came here as children and are now adults, or have married should be given a chance to make things right. I like Trump’s proposed path.

If you are so intent on fixing things for Mexico then move there and get into their politics.

I think I rather stay here and fix things for people that are already here in tough circumstances.

All these people you want to let in but can’t go through the legal process should try to improve their circumstances in their legal country

Yes. Though I don’t blame many of them for wanting to come to this country; so I support the streamlining the green card process. I do, however, support deporting criminals who are here illegally; though send them to Mexican prisons, not just set free.

 

[Theo520]

I disagree, 3 yrs is far too short a time and if someone came illegally and got married, they already have a path to citizenship.

I wish you would open your eyes to the needy that are all around you but were born here, they in fact are a legal obligation of our country.

Perhaps you should spend some time south of the border, you don’t understand the humanitarian crisis like you think you do. Then take a long trip through asia, and the ‘third world’

ps. have you found a source asking for help with the humanitarian crisis in Mexico, Church or Govt source will do fine.

 

[Gab123]

I wish you would open your eyes to the needy that are all around you but were born here, they in fact are a legal obligation of our country.

Yes; though we should help anyone in need regardless if they are citizens or not. Also, there are plenty of programs already in place for citizens of this country.

Perhaps you should spend some time south of the border, you don’t understand the humanitarian crisis like you think you do. Then take a long trip through asia, and the ‘third world’

I’m talking about people that take the chance and sacrifice everything to make it to this country. I’m not saying to empty all the countries of their poor.

 

[signit]

It’s not about giving handouts, but rather to deal with a humanitarian situation. It’s not about sob stories, it’s about human beings seeking a opportunities for their families. Obviously a follower of Christ is going to look at the situation through the lens of the Church. Streamline the process to get a green card for people to work. Obviously they will not be taking away jobs from anybody that is willing to work hard. The wrong attitude would be to say This is mine! Not Yours! Get Out!

One thing that could be done is to change the laws, that way you won’t gripe about laws being broken?

Where I might disagree is that I don’t think “This is mine! Not yours!” is necessarily a bad thing.

I’d say a country has a right to set its border policies and decide who gets its limited resources. And I’d also say Catholic teaching backs me up on that.

 

[Gab123]

I’d say a country has a right to set its border policies and decide who gets its limited resources. And I’d also say Catholic teaching backs me up on that.

Yes, just like you have a right to decide who you personally want to help and be kind to. You can choose to not help anyone you want, it doesn’t mean your choice is right or just. For example, individuals who were brought to the United States illegally as children who are now adults. I suppose a country has a right to uproot them from their current life and force them out to the other side of the border and tell them to get lost. But that would not be right…

 

[Theo520]

Yes; though we should help anyone in need regardless if they are citizens or not. Also, there are plenty of programs already in place for citizens of this country.

Look at the number of homeless, clearly current programs aren’t working. You still seem intent on washing your hands of these immediate neighbor. You want to make them someone else’s responsibility, a defective program in this case.

I’m talking about people that take the chance and sacrifice everything to make it to this country. I’m not saying to empty all the countries of their poor.

Maybe you are projecting on their sacrifice, when we already have this covered with refugees. The people you lament about don’t qualify as refugees for very good reasons.

Maybe you should put your heart and time into helping real refugees.

Also, you still haven’t addressed the fundamental issue, that illegal economic migrants are taking jobs away from our most needy. Pointing out that illegals may be better workers than our most needy isn’t justification to continue harming them, it makes you sound more like 1% business exec.

 

[blackforest]

Maybe you should put your heart and time into helping real refugees.

Oh believe me. We’re trying in my city. Catholic Charities had to axe a huge percentage of its staff because of the travel ban, so there aren’t many refugees left to assist.

Also, you still haven’t addressed the fundamental issue, that illegals are taking jobs away from our most needy. Pointing out that illegals may be better workers than our most needy isn’t justification to continue harming them.

Point of order: We never refer to other people doing things illegally as “illegals.” Nobody refers to shady Wall Street moguls, jaywalkers, serial murderers, or clandestine rainwater collectors in Utah as “illegals.” Rather, we specify the law being broken. So “undocumented” would be the appropriate term for the immigrants.

Also, you still haven’t addressed the fundamental issue, that illegal economic migrants are taking jobs away from our most needy.

They don’t.

 

[signit]

signit:

I’d say a country has a right to set its border policies and decide who gets its limited resources. And I’d also say Catholic teaching backs me up on that.

Yes, just like you have a right to decide who you personally want to help and be kind to. You can choose to not help anyone you want, it doesn’t mean your choice is right or just. For example, individuals who were brought to the United States illegally as children who are now adults. I suppose a country has a right to uproot them from their current life and force them out to the other side of the border and tell them to get lost. But that would not be right…

I’d be willing to bend a little on these hard cases.

The people on the far left like to bring up these hard cases. The person brought to the U.S. as a child, not a criminal, not a gang member, trying to better themself, and not wanting to be sent back.

The trouble is, they’re not all little valedictorians.

The Matthew Denice case:

http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/20170301/milford-matthew-denices-mother-welcomes-voice

This person was dragged to death by an illegal who was driving drunk. If this person was not in the country this accident would not have happened.

The Kate Steinle case:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/1...om-trumps-comments-to-doj-arrest-warrant.html

Shot to death by an illegal who had been deported five times and the sheriff’s office would not cooperate with ICE to hold him for deportation.

The South Boston murders:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/05/10/south-boston-murder-suspect-loophole-deported/

The suspect had two previous convictions and agreed to a 364-day jail sentence. if it had been one year he would have lost his green card and been subject to deportation.

I suppose all this happy talk about how illegal immigrants are wonderful and how they enrich our communities is okay if somebody in your family hasn’t been murdered.

 

[Gab123]

I suppose all this happy talk about how illegal immigrants are wonderful and how they enrich our communities is okay if somebody in your family hasn’t been murdered.

I suppose all this happy talk about how human beings are wonderful and how they enrich our communities is okay if somebody in your family hasn’t been murdered…