Mexico bishops launch 'the migrant is a gift' campaign on social media

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I suppose all this happy talk about how illegal immigrants are wonderful and how they enrich our communities is okay if somebody in your family hasn’t been murdered.

I suppose all this happy talk about how human beings are wonderful and how they enrich our communities is okay if somebody in your family hasn’t been murdered…

What was that supposed to mean?

 

[Theo520]

We are accepting refugees from all over the world, differentiate in whom you help

Your source on economic impact was useless, it doesn’t represent the economic facts that are available from actual news sources. I quickly searched and found a liberal source for you.

but anyone who tells you that immigration doesn’t have any negative effects doesn’t understand how it really works. When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent. Even after the economy has fully adjusted, those skill groups that received the most immigrants will still offer lower pay relative to those that received fewer immigrants.

Both low- and high-skilled natives are affected by the influx of immigrants. But because a disproportionate percentage of immigrants have few skills, it is low-skilled American workers, including many blacks and Hispanics, who have suffered most from this wage dip. The monetary loss is sizable. The typical high school dropout earns about $25,000 annually. According to census data, immigrants admitted in the past two decades lacking a high school diploma have increased the size of the low-skilled workforce by roughly 25 percent. As a result, the earnings of this particularly vulnerable group dropped by between $800 and $1,500 each year.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216

Rapidly increasing the number of economic migrants 100% hurts our most needy people, the poor and minorities who do directly compete for jobs with them.

 

[Theo520]

They don’t.

To expand further on this, your article like most progressive pieces on immigration conflates legal with illegal immigration.

Yes, there are many benefits that come with legal immigration, including controlled numbers of refugees that can be absorbed into the economy. Since that is not disputed by conservatives, you are pushing a strawman argument.

The crux of the problem are high numbers of low skilled economic migrants that are a drain on services and depress wages for your most vulnerable population.

The models in Canada and Australia are much better, they bring in immigrants where they have demand. If there is a wage impact, at leas it’s with middle class workers that do not experience harm the way lower skilled workers do. By controlling and directing the numbers, they make it a win/win for all parties.

Their refugee numbers are modest and also can be absorbed by the economy without serious harm to their most vulnerable populations. i say their refugee numbers are modest because they must be compared with the combined number of legal and illegal lower skilled workers that enter the US. My expectation is that when we curtail illegal immigration, we can focus on supporting and increasing the number of actual refugees.

 

[blackforest]

We are accepting refugees from all over the world, differentiate in whom you help

If it were that easy, CC wouldn’t have laid off a bunch of staff, would they?

The U.S. is now acceptingless than half the number of refugees that is did in the Obama era.

Your source on economic impact was useless, it doesn’t represent the economic facts that are available from actual news sources.

This reply is intellectually lazy. Amelie Constantis a well-renowned scholar who specializes and publishes in this area of research both here and abroad. Either rebut her actual arguments or concede that you’re unable to do so.

Borjas’ arguments hold little credibility.

The core of this argument relies on the assumption that similarly educated native-born and immigrant workers of the same age don’t take on complementary roles in the job market as economists suggest—but rather eye the same jobs. But a new analysis of Census data from the Urban Institute finds evidence to the contrary.

 

[Theo520]

So what you are saying is that CC has a business model of the Govt paying them to work with refugees?

Surely there are other needy people they could shift their focus towards helping,
homelessness is at crisis levels in many cities.

 

[Theo520]

This reply is intellectually lazy. Amelie Constantis a well-renowned scholar who specializes and publishes in this area of research both here and abroad. Either rebut her actual arguments or concede that you’re unable to do so.

Borjas’ arguments hold little credibility.

It’s a strawman argument, and i detailed why. You ignored what I said and the material I linked to, that very clearly articulated the impact.

Your atlantic article was the same strawmen, conflating legal and illegal immigration.
AGAIN, conservatives 100% agree legal immigration is great for the country

Find an article that details just the impacts of illegal immigration, that is the issue being discussed.

 

[blackforest]

So what you are saying is that CC has a business model of the Govt paying them to work with refugees?

All non-profit social services agencies, not just CC, receive grants from public grants, private grants, and individual donors. Donors will stop donating if the service if there’s no longer enough of a given service. If you are opposed to public funding sources for non-profits, that is an issue for you to tackle in another thread.

Surely there are other needy people they could shift their focus towards helping,
homelessness is at crisis levels in many cities.

Catholic Charities provides assistance to a lot of different populations, not just refugees.

 

[blackforest]

Immigration, documented or not, is good for the economy. If conservatives are so fond of immigration, why aren’t they demanding a quicker path to citizenship?

 

[Theo520]

Catholic Charities provides assistance to a lot of different populations, not just refugees.

If they couldn’t redeploy them to other work, then obviously refugee grants are a huge part of their business model

 

[Theo520]

Immigration, documented or not, is good for the economy. If conservatives are so fond of immigration, why aren’t they demanding a quicker path to citizenship?

Where is your evidence?
Every article you linked to based their argument on the benefits of legal immigrants.

 

[blackforest]

“Business models” are for for-profit organizations. Catholic Charities is non-profit. Grants go to specific projects for highly specific purposes; one can’t just “redeploy” them to do whatever one wishes.

 

[blackforest]

They address both.

 

[blackforest]

Are you going to answers questions? Why aren’t conservatives working to make legal immigration easier?

 

[Gab123]

What was that supposed to mean?

What if the murderer was a legal immigrant? Then the same argument would be:
“if only we would have not let in legal immigrants my family member wouldn’t have been killed”.
It pits the blame against a whole community as guilty?

 

[Theo520]

“Business models” are for for-profit organizations. Catholic Charities is non-profit. Grants go to specific projects for highly specific purposes; one can’t just “redeploy” them to do whatever one wishes.

Nope,

Non-profits don’t operate in a different universe. They do budgeting and even create multi-year business plans that project their income and expenses. That they have tax exempt status doesn’t make a whit of difference in their basic accounting practices and need to meet payroll and operating expenses.

A non-profit that doesn’t do these basic management steps doesn’t last.

 

[Gab123]

I’m fully aware of the history.

It’s interesting that the full name of the city of LA is Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles (Our Lady of the Angels) which was then shortened to Los Angeles, and now simply “LA”.

San Francisco, Santa Fe (Holy Faith) San Antonio, Sacramento, etc. etc, these cities all have Spanish names after the Catholic Faith. I suppose Immigrants from Latin America most of whom are at least cultural Catholics, do have a historical connection via the Catholic Church.

 

[Theo520]

They address both.

Nope
They use the benefits of legal immigration to rationalize illegal immigration.

It’s an obvious strawman to anyone engaging the discussion with integrity since 95% of the people objecting, are objecting only to illegal immigration

Only a small minority are so fed up with it all that they want to stop all immigration. This however has never been what the GOP nor Trump has proposed.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

That’s not how land transfers work.

Do the British have a claim to Germany through their Anglo Saxon heritage?

Of course not.

 

[Theo520]

What if the murderer was a legal immigrant?

This has obviously happened many times.

People look at the vetting process and see if immigration did their job properly
An example would be the vetting of the wife in the San Bernadine shooting in 2015

 

[Gab123]

That’s not how land transfers work.

I was just making an observation. Though the history of the land grab by the U.S from Mexico via the Mexican-American war was simply a powerful country taking advantage of another…