Mexico bishops launch 'the migrant is a gift' campaign on social media

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New Immigrants: I hate America but my Country sucks so I am going to violate American law which I obviously have zero respect for and manipulate and exploit Americas generosity and I am gonna take and take and take until there is nothing else to take, we will bleed America dry. Like a swarm of locust we will strip it bare and empty the coffers.
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You have met a real person who has said these things?
 
As it was when Rome conquered Gaul. And when the Franks conquered it from the Romans.

Land has rarely changed hands peacefully in history.
 
In fact, a non-profit has to follow even more stringent laws than for-profit businesses. @Theo520 is right on this one.
 
Yes, this is true. If you’re proclaiming him right, then you’re not understanding the argument.

Contrary to what he’s claiming, a non-profit cannot just take a grant and just “redeploy” those funds. Grant money is issued under strict contingencies. Non-profits do need to budget and strategize, just as for-profits do, but they operate on a different plane than for-profits with less discretionary freedom in this regard.
 
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It does. Please tell me you spent longer than a 30-second scroll session on it.
Immigration status can constrain a worker’s job choices, but many immigrants are working different jobs from natives because they have limited English language or technical skills, or because they have insufficient exposure to the US workplace. If undocumented immigrants become authorized to work in the United States, that still may not be enough to increase competition with natives for low-skilled jobs.
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Gab I’m not sure how to explain something this simple to you any simpler.

All US based jobs are for people legally allowed to work in the USA.

If illegals are working, they are taking jobs away from citizens.
It’s irrelevant that these jobs may be the least desirable, or predominantly filled by illegals.
 
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signit:
What was that supposed to mean?
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What if the murderer was a legal immigrant? Then the same argument would be:
“if only we would have not let in legal immigrants my family member wouldn’t have been killed”.
It pits the blame against a whole community as guilty?
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It’s a question of level of risk.

Immigrants as a class are not more likely to commit crimes than the general population.

Illegal immigrants are more likely to commit crimes than the general population, at least according to a study earlier this year:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-crimes-than-native-born-americans-study.html

So if that’s true, that might be one argument for enforcing the immigration laws.
 
signit said:
So if that’s true, that might be one argument for enforcing the immigration laws.
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Crime data is another great example of where progressives and the media conflate the data to misrepresent the problem. Legal immigrants are statistically very law abiding and their data is constantly used as representative of overall immigrant legality. In truth, the crime rates for legal and illegal immigrants are polar opposites.
 
Permit me one nitpick because your language is problematic. “Illegal” is an adjective, not a noun. There is no such thing as “illegals.”

Even as an adjective, “illegal” describes an action, not a state of being. If somebody is violating a law, no matter how minor or major, we specify the violation. Whether somebody is Charles Manson or just driving 5 miles over the speed limit, we don’t call them “an illegal.”
 
Your nitpick is rejected.
It is also a noun in North American usage, look it up

il·le·gal
noun NORTH AMERICAN
plural noun: illegals
a person present in a country without official authorization.

When will you acknowledge the stawmen arguments used in your sources?
Discussing the merits of illegals must not be conflated with the merits of legal immigrants.
 
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Gab123 said:
I can understand why the poor and unemployed in Mexico head to the U.S. I think the United States should make it easy for migrant workers to come to the U.S. to work; and if they want to become citizens there should be a pathway. Maybe service in the military etc.

Many demand that people come into this country legally; though when it is made practically impossible for most, and one has to wait 20 years to obtain a green card then many resort to illegal immigration. The solution is to streamline the process, Sure, build the wall; but as Trump says, include a big fat wall for people to come in legally, so people don’t have to live in the shadows or be taken advantage of. There has to be a faster process.
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Fill out the forms and wait your turn.

How much simpler can it be???
 
Good, so you acknowledge it is also a noun.
It exactly describes the group I am referring to, short for Illegal aliens.

It’s a bigger problem that you want to whitewash and pretend they aren’t breaking our laws.

In the Catholic context, do you not use the noun ‘sinner’ because it too may have negative connotations?
 
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MonteRCMS said:
Fill out the forms and wait your turn.

How much simpler can it be???
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Yes, it is very simple. That’s the point is that the wait can take 20-35 years. Streamline the process for people to get green cards to come and work legally. So simply change the laws.
 
Gab123 said:
Yes, it is very simple. That’s the point is that the wait can take 20-35 years. Streamline the process for people to get green cards to come and work legally. So simply change the laws.
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You mean that some people should be allowed to jump the line???
 
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So if that’s true, that might be one argument for enforcing the immigration laws.
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Yes, I’m not saying people should remain illegal. Streamline the seps to process people in legally; not to be citizens but green cards to work; a path to citizenship would be something else.
 
Gab123 said:
Yes, it is very simple. That’s the point is that the wait can take 20-35 years. Streamline the process for people to get green cards to come and work legally. So simply change the laws.
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You either don’t understand how it works, or you are avoiding being clear in your ask.

We have quotas and if you are at the bottom of the queue, you have to wait years.
Having a quota is what you are objecting to, not the other parts of the process.

You want open borders, no quotas.
I firmly disagree with your wish.
 
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