Mexico bishops launch 'the migrant is a gift' campaign on social media

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MonteRCMS said:
You mean that some people should be allowed to jump the line???
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No. To not make the line wait 30 years. Again; streamline the process. That way we know who these people are and they are not living in the shadows. It’s about updating and refining the laws.
 
Gab123 said:
No. To not make the line wait 30 years. Again; streamline the process. That way we know who these people are and they are not living in the shadows. It’s about updating and refining the laws.
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We could do a lottery every year for the quota, but I think that is less fair than having a long queue. At least now people can get on with their current lives knowing they aren’t immigrating any time soon.

If we switched to a merit based system like Canada, we could just refuse the request outright, like Canada does. Do you find that a better system?
 
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Theo520 said:
We have quotas and if you are at the bottom of the queue, you have to wait years.
Having a quota is what you are objecting to, not the other parts of the process.

You want open borders, no quotas.
I firmly disagree with your wish.
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I think you’re mixing the issues. Not open borders. Yes, build the wall, but include the big door. And increase the quotas for citizenship. But I’m talking about the green card process. a “green card” is a photo ID card that allows residency and work; it does not give citizenship and does not have any rights to vote in U.S. elections.
 
Right, you want us to issue papers at the border to almost anyone who wants in.
I’m sure you have a few exceptions in mind, but definitely no quotas, which does qualify as open borders.

The common definition of ‘open borders’ in the immigration discussion doesn’t equal having no borders.
The fact that you want to do away with our quotas effectively gives us open borders for legal migration.

Just admit it, fundamentally you want to do away with all our immigration quotas.
 
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What people forget is there’s an order of hierarchy in our duties.

Our first duty is to God, then our family’s, then our countrymen, and then and only then is the foreigner a concern.

If aiding the foreigner is detrimental to our family’s or countrymen then we have no obligation to aid them.

Illegal immigration has a resounding negative effect on lowest income laborers in our society, the vast majority of which are black men. That should be our first order of business, not saving the third world by importing them to our country.
 
This video demonstrates what @Gab123 wants to accomplish by removing our immigration quotas
 
Theo520 said:
fundamentally you want to do away with all our immigration quotas.
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I said that the green card process should be streamlined. Realize the difference between getting a green card and becoming a citizen.
 
Gab123 said:
I said that the green card process should be streamlined. Realize the difference between getting a green card and becoming a citizen.
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So you just want to remove quotas for Green Cards?

Don’t you imagine that will have a seriously negative impact on our lower and middle class?
Only the rich will benefit.
 
It makes no difference, we’d still have an unlimited amount of people pouring into our country taking jobs and resources from citizens.
 
Theo520 said:
Don’t you imagine that will have a seriously negative impact on our lower and middle class?
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No I don’t think so. People that have been living in the shadows and working for years in this country would benefit from getting a green card as it helps assimilate them into society; if anything it is helping people who are hungry to work to find a livelihood and support their families without living in fear that they are goin to be put on a bus and dumped penniless on the other side of the border… That would not be right.

The poverty in this country among u.s. citizens is not due to lack of jobs taken away by illegal immigrants; as most illegal immigrants working jobs are making less than the poverty line. thus many have multiple jobs or start their own businesses. Necessity is a great drive. We see the damage un-earned free money can do on entire communities dependent on welfare.
people who leave their countries in search of opportunity are the type of people we want. thus the green card process can help workers who are willing t take menial jobs which usually leads them into entrepreneurship.
 
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You’ve suggested unfettered issuing of green cards, which would have the absolute worst impact on our people.
  • Wages would drop for both lower income and middle class workers
  • Housing prices would increase.
  • Schools would be loaded up with their families while they remit their savings out of the local economy.
You really need to think through the impacts of a bleeding heart, your strategy would cause serious animosity and displays of bigotry that don’t exist now with legal immigrants.
 
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Theo520 said:
You really need to think through the impacts of a bleeding heart, your strategy would cause serious animosity and displays of bigotry that don’t exist now with legal immigrants.
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I think the pushing panic buttons and presenting the worst case scenarios against green cards is rooted in something other than protecting the economy… Again, what is the alternative for people that have been in this country for a long time illegally? Put yourself in their shoes. I’m talking about real solutions, not theories and out of proportion responses. Coming into this country illegally in search of opportunity to feed a family is not the same thing as an invasion of parasites. Again, green cards, not automatic citizenship. not automatic green cards either, but a streamlined process for those who have been here working hard
 
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Gab123 said:
I think the pushing panic buttons and presenting the worst case scenarios against green cards is rooted in something other than protecting the economy… Again, what is the alternative for people that have been in this country for a long time illegally? Put yourself in their shoes. I’m talking about real solutions, not theories and out of proportion responses. Coming into this country illegally in search of opportunity to feed a family is not the same thing as an invasion of parasites. Again, green cards, not automatic citizenship. not automatic green cards either, but a streamlined process for those who have been here working hard
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I know you are projecting, and ignoring basic economics. The long process is driven by quotas, it only gets shorter/faster by significantly ramping the number of people allowed in each and every year.

I’ve lived abroad, for years, in multiple countries. I have put myself in their shoes. Have you visited any of these countries for an extended period? I’m not talking about your mexico trip on spring break.

The people we send home will do fine. After we clean up and contain illegal immigration, I’m all for increasing our intake of legitimate refugees, people that really need our help. We can increase our numbers without adversely affecting our own poor.

Also, examine your integrity on this, why do progressives conflate the facts on legal immigrants with illegals?
 
He’s repeatedly ignored any data that contradicts his narrative. Instead posting articles on the benefits of legal immigration, something none of us here have disputed.

Anyone who advocates a mass influx of tens of millions of low skill workers is pushing a nirvana open borders agenda and doesn’t have sympathies with the poor in their neighborhood.
 
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Good article, I hadn’t read it when posted before.

Three Areas of Agreement
  1. First, there is little debate that illegal immigration primarily, though not exclusively, increases the supply of workers at the bottom end of the labor market.
  2. Second, all of the available data show that black men are disproportionately employed at the bottom end of the labor market.
  3. Third, there is a large body of research showing that less-educated black men, like less-educated workers overall, have generally not fared well in the U.S. labor market in recent years.
Why do progressives seem dead set against having low unemployment among our most vulnerable minority population? When I see that unemployment for black teens has dropped from near 50% to low 20’s, it’s exciting and must be continued for years. These kids are learning job skills that will lead to better jobs and a path out of poverty and despair. It’s cruel and unusual punishment to systematically deprive them of opportunity to the benefit of non-citizens.
 
I really am surprised by some of the things I see on CA. I never thought anyone thought it would be a good idea to annex Mexico! XD I’m not sure whether to laugh or be worried.
 
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jjje1995 said:
I really am surprised by some of the things I see on CA. I never thought anyone thought it would be a good idea to annex Mexico! XD I’m not sure whether to laugh or be worried.
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It’s actually a reasonable debate response,

when your opponent has stated the conditions in Mexico are so bad that we must take in all their citizens that want to move here, fleeing those conditions.

Taking over the problem country could lead to improved conditions rather than a constant flow of ‘refugees’ that your opponent insists we must sustain.

Again, it’s a debate response to a supposed problem. When leaders are truly cruel and inept, we have stepped in to replace leadership and try establish stability.
 
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Theo520 said:
I have put myself in their shoes.
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You had a real family to support in Latin America? Or did you just imagine putting yourself in their shoes. if you walked in their shoes you probably would be in this country illegally looking for work. It’s not the same thing to just ponder what it would be like or to spend a few weeks sowing wild oats in foreign lands, living in desperate conditions by choice for a few weeks. The problem with theories is that they’re often devoid of the day-to-day realities of the hardships and real suffering; to know what it feels like to be hungry and to see your children without a future is something that only those living it know what it’s like. You can’t walk in their shoes by choice. Trips abroad can be fun, especially when you know you have a ticket back home whenever you choose. Try living in a dusty village with no education and a family to support, knowing you have to do something drastic to survive.

Yes, I lived in a large city deep down in Mexico for about 16 years, and I know about the barefoot children, the young siblings who knock on doors and depended on charity to help their family survive, while their parents are gone all day working as laborers and household servants; we’d send the children away with bags full of fruit and hand me down clothes which brought huge smiles to their face. Those generations of children often become victims of the outside world; try walking in the shoes of those parents who are tied to their back-breaking means of making some money to live in squalor. If you walked in their shoes you would think differently; you would think like them. Some had relatives in the U.S who worked menial jobs and sent back what they could to help out.

But the issue we are talking about right now is about the illegal immigrants working in this country today who have been in this country for a long time and have families of their own now in this country. How to deal with them has to be in a charitable way; if I can’t convince you of a Christian approach, then from at least a humanitarian approach that any pagan would find charitable. I’m proposing a streamlined green card and if you insist on punishment, then maybe a monetary penalty for entering this country illegally. Obviously if they commit crime then green cards can be revoked…
 
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