Mexico bishops launch 'the migrant is a gift' campaign on social media

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  • So long as they migrate legally
  • So long as they aren’t criminals
  • So long as they pay taxes
  • So long as the country can handle increased immigration
Personally, I’d go to the UN and rightfully admonish the Mexican Government for their failings. They have failed their people and they have failed their neighbor.
 
They’re a Failed State that is corrupt and being torn apart by cartels. Honestly, I don’t know why the UN hasn’t declared it a humanitarian situation!
 
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No, but I have seen them in marches. I have seen them waiting the flag of their country. I have seen them burn the US flag. I have seen them walk on the usa flag.
 
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You don’t really have a clue how things work, You just manufacture an outlier scenario in your mind and jump on the sob train.
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again, if you were in their shoes you would probably be in this country illegally yourself. but I’m talking about how to deal with people that have been here for a long time and have families.
 
As I’ve said before, you are FANTASTIC at rationalizing.

But rationalizing still doesn’t make something right. I can rationalize why say a teenager lies to their strict parent when they are breaking rules. That I can empathize with what goes through their mind doesn’t make it right, it’s not an excuse the parent should accept. Actions have consequences.
 
In the USA we have freedom of speech, that is all speech, including burning a flag in protest.

I’ve seen people march in parades waving the flags of every country on earth. What is wrong with waving a flag?
 
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But rationalizing still doesn’t make something right. I can rationalize why say a teenager lies to their strict parent when they are breaking rules. That I can empathize with what goes through their mind doesn’t make it right, it’s not an excuse the parent should accept. Actions have consequences.
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All I’m saying is what the Vicar of Christ and the Church and the Bible is saying. There are many human dynamics going on, and not every situation is the same. All you have is a law that could be changed. After all. Let’s pretend you were 2 years old when you were brought to this country and now you’re 30. What would you feel would be the reasonable and right thing to do in your situation? Coudln’t the government make exceptions and instead of throwing you out maybe you could report for community service or some other penalty that is proportionate to the crime you had nothing to do with other than being a human being?
I think the problem is that you need to study what the Church is teaching on these tough situations…
 
You’re still rationalizing.

Loads of kids are moved abroad by their parents and later repratriated when their parents return home.
It would be a very rare case where they qualify for refugee status, but we have it for the cases where it is needed.

Much better that the families stay together, and that we have rule of law.
 
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You’re still rationalizing.
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You mean, reasoning like the pope and the Church… again, it’s about how to deal with undocumented families. Not open borders. Fix the problem of the border, but deal with the men women and children caught in the middle; these are the strangers and sojourner we read about in the Bible
 
We support qualified refugees. Illegal economic migrants however put themselves into their situation with full knowledge they were breaking the law and could be sent back home, at any time.
 
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again, if you were in their shoes you would probably be in this country illegally yourself. but I’m talking about how to deal with people that have been here for a long time and have families.
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They go home. They broke the law and need to be held accountable. The only right way to hold them accountable is to send them back to their country and let them get in line.
 
Living in Australia and from migrant parents myself i am all for immigration but it has to be done with balance and cautions.

Instead of Mexicans in difficult financial situations solely relying on immigration to America,wouldn’t it be better if Donald Trump put in programmes to help the Mexican trade,jobs creation and economy?

I think it would be wrong and cold hearted for US to stop taking any refugees,but at the same time it is unrealistic to think that US can take in all refugees as there are factors such as security and unemployment to be considered.

At the same time,the “haves” have a responsibility to help the “have nots” and not turn a blind eye,so I think Trump should work with the Mexican government and Mexican private enterprises to increase jobs and living standards in Mexico itself.

Personally,I strongly dislike the idea of only accepting immigrants with high education and qualifications as it is unjust and elitist.
My own parents could speak no English when they migrated and were unable to complete high school let alone have a university degree and they are excellent law abiding proud citizens.
 
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Pope Francis - A Man Of His Word ! A movie that everyone needs to see. Catholics and Non Catholics will be blessed, Non Catholics won’t be offended. And those who are offended by the Migrant Is A Gift campaign, ESPECIALLY need to see this movie, perhaps twice.
 
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Instead of Mexicans in difficult financial situations solely relying on immigration to America,wouldn’t it be better if Donald Trump put in programmes to help the Mexican trade,jobs creation and economy?

I think it would be wrong and cold hearted for US to stop taking any refugees,but at the same time it is unrealistic to think that US can take in all refugees as there are factors such as security and unemployment to be considered.

At the same time,the “haves” have a responsibility to help the “have nots” and not turn a blind eye,so I think Trump should work with the Mexican government and Mexican private enterprises to increase jobs and living standards in Mexico itself.

Personally,I strongly dislike the idea of only accepting immigrants with high education and qualifications as it is unjust and elitist.
My own parents could speak no English when they migrated and were unable to complete high school let alone have a university degree and they are excellent law abiding proud citizens.
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Think of responsibilities, Trump was elected to represent the people of America, he is not responsible for fixing Mexico.

Many US cities still have high unemployment. Minority unemployment is only recently dropping but black unemployment is still twice that of whites. I’m not sure we know how to fix our own problems, where we have control.

We can call out the Mexican govt and offer advice, but it’s up to the people of mexico to fix their problems. The country is not poor, they don’t need aid from the US.

Sending back illegals may be the best thing for causing change in Mexico, as they demand a more responsive and capable Govt.

Don’t mix up economic migrants from mexico with accepting legit refugees from around the world. The people from Mexico don’t qualify as refugees anywhere in the world.
 
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Sending back illegals may be the best thing for causing change in Mexico, as they demand a more responsive and capable Govt.
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Again with the dehumanizing language? Really?
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Sending back illegals may be the best thing for causing change in Mexico, as they demand a more responsive and capable Govt.
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I don’t even know where to begin. Are there any Mexicans on CAF who can help this guy out? It would take an entire poli sci seminar to walk you through why this simply doesn’t work in Mexico. Have you ever heard of the PRI?
 
You do not happen to be God however and nobody is setting up a catch-22 for you so I am not sure where you are going with that.
 
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I am not sure where you are going with that.
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Many people in this country illegally were brought as children or came here in search of work to feed their families decades ago; to uproot them and force them out because they broke the letter of law and entered without the proper documents would be the legal thing to do; but not the right thing to do. There has to be an element of mercy with how we treat these families who are in tough circumstances. Thus pope Francis and the Church itself has been loud about how we treat our neighbors in need.
 
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At the same time,if his wife is able to spend so much on clothing,then I think the right thing to do would be to at least use much of that money to help people in poverty,whether Americans,Mexicans or otherwise.

Melania could at least auction off her worn outfits and donate the proceeding to help the poor.

Same goes for the British Royal family whose Price Harry’s lavish wedding apparently cost roughly approximately $30-40 million.
This to me is shameful when there are so many poor/suffering people in the world.

 
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Theo520 said:
Don’t mix up economic migrants from mexico with accepting legit refugees from around the world. The people from Mexico don’t qualify as refugees anywhere in the world.
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Much of Australia was built by Economic migrants in the sense that in the 60’s and 70’s most migrants immigrated to Australia because there was no job prospects in their old country and poverty (and not due to war or persecution).

If your name is Theo then I’m guessing your background is from migrants at some point in history yourself?
 
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