Mexico bishops launch 'the migrant is a gift' campaign on social media

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Anyone who advocates a mass influx of tens of millions of low skill workers is pushing a nirvana open borders agenda and doesn’t have sympathies with the poor in their neighborhood.
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I never said open borders.
 
You evaded my question again! HAVE YOU SPENT ANY TIME IN THESE COUNTRIES?
Please stop your deflection.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I spent 6 months in Guatemala and Costa Rica, so I got to see both the best and the worst of the area - economically speaking. The cost of living is significantly lower, the people are thriving, some are even fat like us in america. Guatemalans could use more opportunity in Guatemala though.

I also spent many years living in several asian countries, both economically rich and poor ones.

Answer the question, what is your expertise on life in these poor countries?
Real, not imagined living.
 
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Theo520 said:
but the changes you are pushing are in line with those from the open borders movement…
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Again; build the wall, but streamline the green card process for workers. You can always pass a law that gives priority to citizens. And from a spiritual perspective, I would suggest you stop looking at the world through the eyes of the world, and look at the world through the eyes of a pilgrim. Your existence on this planet is going to come to an end before you know it, and you can’t take anything with you; that house, those shoes those clothes are some day going to be used and worn by another person once you’re buried and gone; you’re just passing through. If you can help people who are struggling to survive, then by all means help. I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
 
Theo520 said:
The cost of living is significantly lower, the people are thriving, some are even fat like us in america.
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Obviously not everyone is struggling. only a small percentage of people sacrifice everything to become an immigrant; In a given city a person can be rich and enjoying comfort and security while a mile away there are people that are hopeless.
 
They don’t sacrifice everything, they have clear evidence from their neighbor who illegally migrated and is sending money home to their family. It’s an economically shrewd decision to work illegally in the USA.

I think you need to watch this video

 
Gab123 said:
Again; build the wall, but streamline the green card process for workers. You can always pass a law that gives priority to citizens. And from a spiritual perspective, I would suggest you stop looking at the world through the eyes of the world, and look at the world through the eyes of a pilgrim. Your existence on this planet is going to come to an end before you know it, and you can’t take anything with you; that house, those shoes those clothes are some day going to be used and worn by another person once you’re buried and gone; you’re just passing through. If you can help people who are struggling to survive, then by all means help. I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
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You are spouting ‘open borders’ talking points, and what do you mean by passing a law giving citizens priority? That sounds like discrimination, that you think it’s OK if we have a citizen class and a slave class.

You should read up on the church teachings on subsidiarity, your primary focus should be local rather than you fixing global problems. As implied in my OP, the Bishops in Mexico are on point for helping their flock.
And if they ask for outside assistance, I will answer their call. But they haven’t asked for our help.

Please stop evading my pertinent question. What actual experience do you have abroad in the countries you insist are so dire, that we must treat their economic migrants like legit refugees.
 
Gab123 said:
In a given city a person can be rich and enjoying comfort and security while a mile away there are people that are hopeless.
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This description applies to every major city in the world, including the USA.

I repeat, what actual experience do you have living in the countries you insist are so dire that our response must be to take them in here.
 
Theo520 said:
You should read up on the church teachings on subsidiarity, your primary focus should be local rather than you fixing global problems
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The problem of illegal immigrants is here and now. These are real men women and children, not stray dogs. So the question is what does the Church say about how to deal with people that are here illegally already, and have been here for a long time. It sounds like you simply want to round up everyone and simply push them on on curve on the other side of the border, something the Church is against, the vicar of Christ is against, and the Bible itself is against. So you can either go with what the Bible says or with what you want.
Theo520 said:
You should read up on the church teachings on subsidiarity
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I am aware of this principle, thus the cquestion. Again to you is, how do we locally deal with the problem of illegal immigrants in your local community. You seem to say arrest them and toss them out; I ‘m simply saying, let’s treat them like human beings; many of them only have what they built here and-s have families and children that all they know us the good ol’ U.S.A.
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I repeat, what actual experience do you have living in the countries
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I responded to you about 10 posts ago; you must have missed it.

Again, the problem is that you have not walked in their shoes; if you had, ͏You most likely would be here in this country illegally yourself. So it’s really a question about doing what’s right…
 
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There’s a good number of Americans who don’t have health insurance but they’re not illegally immigrating to countries that have universal health insurance.
 
I think i see the core problem.
Please stop imagining that all our illegal economic migrants are really refugees.

Any actual legit refugees can apply for asylum and stay, I don’t question that. But the vast majority are just economic migrants, not refugees. Deporting them with dignity is not against Church doctrine.

The definition of who is a refugee is fair and according to international treaties.
Your personal definition is irrelevant.
 
Theo520 said:
Deporting them with dignity is not against Church doctrine.
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What does this mean? And How do you deport somebody that has been here for 20 years and has a family; and what about illegals who were brought here as children 30 years ago?
 
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Gab123 said:
What does this mean? And How do you deport somebody that has been here for 20 years and has a family; and what about illegals who were brought here as children 30 years ago?
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Not rearly sure what you don’t understand, haven’t you moved before?
A simple deportation order should work in most instances.
 
Theo520 said:
Not rearly sure what you don’t understand, haven’t you moved before?
A simple deportation order should work in most instances.
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I don’t think people should simply be uprooted and thrown out. And I think your stance is not feasible or possible in the current political climate. I think deporting criminals is a must; but there are too many people like me who are willing to find a better solution for people who have been here simply seeking a better life, and especially those who were brought into this country illegally as children.

Yes, build the wall; yes deport recent arrivals; yes streamline green cards for people who have been waiting for years; yes, have the attitude that our Holy Father the Vicar of Christ is calling on Catholics to adopt toward immigrants, even the illlegal one’s; and yes, don’t be so stingy with welcoming strangers seeking a better life. As you know, if you walked in their shoes you probably would be in this country illegally too.

What did Jesus mean when He said “I was a stranger and you welcomed me in”?

“‘Cursed be anyone who perverts the justice due to the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’-Deut. 27:19

He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing. Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. Deut. 10:18-19

“You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your brothers or one of the sojourners who are in your land within your towns.-Deut. 24:14

“Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts.”-Malachi 3:5

And I charged your judges at that time, ‘Hear the cases between your brothers, and judge righteously between a man and his brother or the alien who is with him. Deut. 1:16
 
People get deportation orders served all the time.
You don’t really have a clue how things work, You just manufacture an outlier scenario in your mind and jump on the sob train.
 
Does said “gift” come with a receipt?
 
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