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Scott_Lafrance
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The problem with this statement is that Obama never really was questioned…about anything.
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SamH
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His only answer was he wasn’t paying attention.
If you want to call that an answer.
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Gift_from_God
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The way I remember it, Jeremiah Wright was talked about in the news frequently in 2008 and maybe people had questions about him. Remember Obama had to respond to Wright’s statements where he said that he just didn’t hear him say those things?
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CatholicBoy1957
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Then we will all go to hell. Why repent? Be a sinner and sin boldly! It shouldn’t matter if Republicans don’t care about the poor. They’re equal sinners with the Democrats, so vote Republican.
Then you should have no problem with my comment. What Democratic Catholic politicians do is often gravely inappropriate.
But not what they do? What’s the difference?
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SamH
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That was when he said he wasn’t paying attention.
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skigirl1689
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Thank you for saying this! As a current member of the WELS, I read about such belief ONCE in a document probably 99% of our members never read. Plus, the majority of the members are not anti-Catholic since we all have friends or family members who practice Catholicism. Also, I’ve never heard such remarks from any WELS pastor and I would guess the majority of members would disagree with the statement. Not sure why it’s an official teaching.
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rlg94086
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Thank you for your witness! As I suspected, this is simple yellow journalism.
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ringil
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No you’re not confused- I read your post wrong and posted incorrectly to you. I have poor vision. Sorry about that.
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Gift_from_God
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The way I interpreted your initial statement was that if Bachmann were Catholic, she would be a better Catholic than Catholics who belong to the Democratic Party of the United States. To me, to say that someone is a better Catholic than someone else makes Catholicism seem like a piety contest
There is a difference between judging someone and judging their actions. We can judge their actions as wrong, but I do not believe in judging someone on a moral basis because we are not fit to do so. Only Jesus can judge us
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ringil
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“That part” is, well, what Catholic Faith is- it is THE PART.
Pelosi, Biden, and Kerry have views contrary to the Church on issues of Abortion and Gay Marriage (guess- gay marriage anyway- not sure). Nevertheless. They are Catholic- good or bad.
Evangelicals are not members of the Church thus they don’t live “like real Catholics”. They aren’t Catholic. They do not have any of the essence of the True Faith. They aren’t even a church- but a group of people gathered together with the appearance of a church.
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ringil
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The Jeremiah Wright situation was covered extensively in the media even as Palin would say the. . . ahem . . . lame street media. . .
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Ridgerunner
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I wonder how many protestant churches have directly disavowed anything Martin Luther wrote or said. Probably they take what parts about which they think he was right and just kind of ignore some of the other stuff. How many Catholics disavow Pope Julius II, for goodness sake, or even know what all he did?
Somebody will surely ask Bachmann if she thinks the CC is the Antichrist, and she can answer. But to accuse her of anti-Catholicism because of something Martin Luther said is just preposterous. He said a lot worse things than that, and I don’t defend any of them, but the Catholic Church still has ongoing dialogue with the Lutheran church and a reasonably friendly relationship with it.
Elizabeth I killed a lot of Catholics in her time, and Henry VIII martyred St. Thomas More and St. John Fisher among others. Yet, we don’t go berserk over the possibility of an Episcopalian president, of whom we have already had a fair number, despite the fact that none of them disavowed Elizabeth I or Henry VIII.
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Ahimsa
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No one is accusing her of anti-Catholicism, at least no one in the original article. She simply was not deeply knowledgeable of the doctrines of WELS, which is fine in a politician, but it’s curious that she wrote a letter cancelling her membership in a WELS church a year ago, when she was probably considering a presidential run. Why did she leave WELS? We know why Obama distanced himself from Wright, but why did Bachmann do what she did? Of course, this is not something that would torpedo her candidacy, but it does raise a few issues about how socially disapproved anti-Catholicism has become these days (a good thing!), and about how if she had remained in WELS, she could have had an opportunity to address lingering anti-Catholicism in America (especially in the South).
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Ridgerunner
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Anti-Catholicism is anything but disapproved of in this society. Among ordinary people, yes, but among the elites it’s in full flower.
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skigirl1689
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Of course this is true. You never hear anything about Luther’s writings about the Virgin Mary, how he believed she was ever-virgin and such (I don’t remember what other aspect he agreed with, sorry) from any Protestant church. Picking and choosing certain information is so common. I find it sadly amusing how close the Lutheran church can be doctrinally in certain aspects to Catholicism but the church’s authorities refuse to acknowledge it.
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Beau_Ouiville
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Let me interject: I’ve been to TUCC and I’ve heard Rev. Wright preach. Others have heard snippets. I kn ow personally members of Rev. Wright’s family.
He’s not a racist. He also served two tours in the Navy as a corpsman connected to the Marines and is by no means anti-American. He is very critical of some things which occurred in American history. I’m not alone in this view, either. Nationally known theologians (who are not members but have attended Trinity) have stated that the good reverend is no racist.
So, let’s not talk as if what some folks believe is a done deal. I realize that this is not the thread to discuss Rev. Wright but please do not use him as a stalking horse.
He’s not a racist. He also served two tours in the Navy as a corpsman connected to the Marines and is by no means anti-American. He is very critical of some things which occurred in American history. I’m not alone in this view, either. Nationally known theologians (who are not members but have attended Trinity) have stated that the good reverend is no racist.
So, let’s not talk as if what some folks believe is a done deal. I realize that this is not the thread to discuss Rev. Wright but please do not use him as a stalking horse.
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rlg94086
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I agree with you. This thread has nothing to do with Rev. Wright. Unfortunately, a liberal poster felt compelled to drag him into the discussion (post #4).
Others, including myself, were explaining why the comparison isn’t valid. We could just ignore all y’all, I guess.
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Darryl1958
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As this is a political Catholic forum, what is important is that the Catholic faith as it relates to the ethics and morals that guide the nation, is being promoted. This is practical Catholicism.But being a Republican more fundamental to being Catholic than being Catholic is, as we all know here.
Unlike 500 years ago, today stating that pope is antichrist is not a political statement but a theological statement. Evangelicals are all about a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus, and not having priest and pope as intercessor. The distrust over that kind of spiritual authority is deep and abiding in that faith community.
On the other hand, Evangelicals are definitely the political allies of the morals and ethics that emanate from the papacy and Rome. They share with the pope the same values on the most pressing question of the day, which is the right to life itself.
In a country which adamantly insists on separation of church and state, questions of pure theology should bother no one. They are simply not relevant to politics.
Who cares if we share a believe in transubstantion with fellow Catholics, if they are willing to sell the unborn down the river for promises of free education or some other such thing?
Michelle Bachmann is an extraordinary person in her personal life, and in practical politics what is important is that she share the same life and family values that the popes in perfect clarity insist is the central political issue of the day.
I for one, am willing to extend her far more charity for any incorrect theological views, than I would be to the Catholic left, which remains to this day utterly indifferent to life in the womb,and sees Catholics on the right as sexist bigots for standing firm against their hard-hearted rejection of political rights for unborn life.
So yes, your sarcastic response describes the situation quite well. When it comes to many on the Catholic left, I do not recognize the light of Christ in them.
With Michell B, it shines so brightly, it is humbling.
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Nec5
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Nicely put.
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