Minneapolis Riots

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If an established procedure tells you to jump off the Empire State Building, would you? Just because their is an established protocol that may be in breach of human morality, it does not mean we should follow it. We are individuals who can always decide what is moral & what isn’t & once the state makes you act in contradiction to life then what we decide is our own doing.

Protesting is an indication of community sentiment & a democratic system that is in contradiction with the majority. The state is not listening to the people & our governments autocratic nature shines through. I don’t agree with violence, looting & the destruction of innocent businesses but do accept (not agree) that many will misbehave just like the strong arm of the law did to George Floyd.
 
No, Herr Student. What do you think we’ve been going the past several days? Watching each other’s backs and forming neighborhood coalitions. The very thing right leaning 2A orgs have been extolling for years
 
And to resolve disputes will you set up community courts? What would make someone abide by their decision?
 
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No, Herr Student. What do you think we’ve been going the past several days? Watching each other’s backs and forming neighborhood coalitions. The very thing right leaning 2A orgs have been extolling for years
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Are there really no liberal police?
 
We have several council members who live in our neighborhood and neighboring ones who are already negotiating policies and procedures now. So instead of cheering for our failure, perhaps hope for our success in throwing out racist trash from our city
 
QContinuum said:
We have several council members who live in our neighborhood and neighboring ones who are already negotiating policies and procedures now. So instead of cheering for our failure, perhaps hope for our success in throwing out racist trash from our city
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I ask again, what would make anyone abide by the decisions of a community court?
 
What makes them abide now? The will and force of the democracy and its people. An armed police force of outsiders only begets more violence as you are seeing now. But we’re able to defend ourselves just as any far flung resident out in the sticks who is 30 minutes from the nearest police.

If the city police can’t or won’t be reformed, we’ll create our own security force. From people actually from our city
 
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What makes them abide now? The will and force of the democracy and its people.
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So in your little state within a state you would use force to ensure your neighbor complies with a court order by your community court?
 
You’re not listening. Replacing the thugs in uniform now with our own police force is not replacing the city or state. It’s firing a group of thugs. We vote the city council members and leaders in. They work for us, not the police union.
 
I’m not taking about the state police. They are not the ones who drive our streets night to night. They are a different issue and normally they are not the ones we interact with. The police force we want gone is Minneapolis.
 
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This situation actually reveals that they are not much of a force to be reckoned with.
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It’s just a code word for force. As Max Weber pointed out, a state is simply a monopoly on force in a given territory. The ideas being spouted by the poster are naive to say the least. Look into Robert Michels and the Iron Law of Oligarchy.
 
I agree with Max Weber. At some point, if the state’s residents as a whole wanted to overthrow the state police, that would be a whole new level of defiance to the elite corporatists and their government minions.

But one thing at a time. We as a neighborhood, as a city only speak for ourselves. Not the whole state. If the whole state came to agreement that its police force and state government needed to be replaced, they would be within their rights to do so. But the cost will be much higher than what we’re paying now. It all comes down to is the system salvageable and what would a reset take?
 
Frankly what you’re saying is naive and a mishmash of several conflicting ideas. You’re trumpeting people power but always within limits of course, except when it isn’t. It’s weird, to be honest. It’s hard to understand what exactly you’re pushing for and so I am forced to ask questions. If you don’t like it don’t post.
 
. . . . My message has been very clear. Minneapolis police must go. That’s why I’m protesting. You’re the one trying to split off in multiple directions and trying to put words in my mouth. . . .

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R.I.P., George.
 
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