Minneapolis Riots

[Poet]

These split second decisions can be trained for. Not every itty bitty detail but the good cops are able to handle tense situations in a way that other (not necessarily bad) cops don’t.

I respectfully disagree. In the performing arts, in sports, probably in plenty of other fields–you can train and train and train … and when the performance comes, you may STILL make a mistake. In football it may cost you the game. In music, you may hit a wrong note that people may or may not notice. In comedy improv you may deliver a line that just wasn’t that funny. In NO other field do we expect people to NEVER make a mistake.

In surgery, if things turn suddenly, the tiniest decision means death. Likewise, in law enforcement.

I thank God that in my field, if I make a mistake, nobody gets hurt.

I agree that some forces have more problems than others. I don’t think that’s a matter of training. I think it’s a matter of morality and corruption. I have a relative who was on the MPD and I know from his experience there’s a problem with corruption there Training in police procedure will not cure the human heart.

 

[Pattylt]

I agree that some forces have more problems than others. I don’t think that’s a matter of training. I think it’s a matter of morality and corruption. I have a relative who was on the MPD and I know from his experience there’s a problem with corruption there Training in police procedure will not cure the human heart.

Ok, I can go with that…let’s start giving them more moral training and root out the corruption. I’d be happy with that as a start and see how it plays out!

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

Both the mayor and governor are either lying, or clueless.

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey said Saturday that officials think “white supremacists” and “out-of-state instigators” could be behind the protests in the wake of George Floyd’s death, but a report showed that “about 86 percent” of arrests so far are mostly of in-state residents.

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz also said Saturday that the majority of the protestors arrested were from outside Minneapolis and sought to take advantage of the chaos.

However, a report by KARE 11 showed “about 86 percent” of the 36 arrests listed their address in Minnesota, and that they live in Minneapolis or the metro area, according to data the outlet analyzed from the Hennepin County Jail’s roster. Five out-of-state cases came from Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, Michigan and Missouri, according to KARE 11.

White nationalists (a group I have never encountered in all my years, personally) are the new bogeyman of the left.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

Yes. Obviously, protests and riots are the most effective way to communicate. See, Rodney King. Ferguson riots, etc. Obviously these riots are extremely effective.

Trump is threatening the protestors with vicious dogs at the White House atm. I think he would be better to acknowledge this is now way out of control and attempting to address the cause of all this rioting, afterall he is a leader. It is not just about the murder of one man anymore.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

The question you should be asking yourself is why his fellow officers - completely armed and with the power to intervene - did nothing to stop him.

mob mentality.

 

[Brendan]

“A riot is the language of the unheard…”

He also said this

“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones."

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Evidence is beginning to suggest that these may be people from outside Minneapolis or even Minnesota, people organizing with Antifa and other such groups.

Or maybe some of them are white supremacists groups bent on discrediting the peaceful protests. At least one such individual is among those arrested.

 

[blackforest]

Did you listen to the whole video? It shows that King was explaining the riots, not excusing or justifying them. I haven’t seen anyone in this thread do the latter, either.

The problem is that rioters become an easy scapegoat to deflect from the main injustice - segregation in King’s day, police brutality in ours.

Back in the 60s, Chicago mayor Richard Daley blamed King for the race riots, a cunning way of taking the focus off of the problem of racism and instead deflecting it to the rioters. I see pretty much the same thing happening with this tragic case of George Floyd.

 

[HerCrazierHalf]

My attempts at dialogue have failed to end the murder of innocents in the womb. I assume you are then okay with me blowing up the clinics or killing the abortion providers, given your stance?

Honestly I’m surprised that doesn’t occur more often.
I’m glad it doesn’t, if oppose it, but it’d understand. (I do not endorse such acts) Similar to how NATO or the UN goes into various countries with lethal force to curtail genocides sometimes.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

mrsdizzyd:

“A riot is the language of the unheard…”

He also said this

“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones."

Yes. And?

One can and should condemning violence, and also take the time to understand where it comes from, and feel compassion and empathy for those who feel so unheard that they would resort to violence in the first place.

And, also vow to make the changes necessary so that it doesn’t happen anymore.

From that same speech, “Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.” ‬

‪Listen to the full speech, ‘The Other America’:

 

[HerCrazierHalf]

And btw…years of such numerous incidents? White men and some women, are being killed by cops, too. This is not racism. It’s a combination of bad cops, incompetence, and fallible human beings doing their best in very tense situations where split second decisions mean life or death

This is not an either or thing. There is definitely a policing along with a criminal justice problem plus a racism problem.

Consider this. If I encounter the police one day I’ll have serious doubt about whether complying will result in a good outcome. And if I truly feel I’m to die either way I rather die on my feet than on my knees.

And this sums up the policing issue. We’ve reached a point of low trust which will make things more candles for everyone. Things feel like they are a short jump from some really bad stuff.

 

[EndTimes]

Organized rioting?

How/who is organizing? I don’t doubt you, I’m hoping for more information.

Leftist/Communuist organizers work in all Major Urban Areas.

Of the 13 members of the Council, 12 are Democrats, one is Green Party. This is close to San Francisco in honoring and empowering LGBQ.

In other words, knowingly or not - they’re following Satan’s piping

 

[esieffe]

These folks are out of state. In my city- which is not in Minnesota- we KNOW 100% that our violent ones are all NOT FROM HERE.

Except that they are… [really wish that they had all been from out of town.

St. Paul mayor walks back claim that all arrested in riot were from out of state: ‘I take full responsibility’ | Fox News

 

[commenter]

In my city the politicians kept repeating that the rioters are “Not From Here”. I’m not sure how they know that.

But every other city is saying the same thing. That means even if your city is beset by out of town troublemakers, that means troublemakers from your city are likely hurting other cities.

In my state there are severe limits on all gatherings including church services. But why did they show the (initially peaceful ) protest on the first place, most folks not wearing masks,?

 

[commenter]

G. K. Chesterton:

“The modern world is not evil; in some ways the modern world is far too good. It is full of wild and wasted virtues. When a religious scheme is shattered…it is not merely the vices that are let loose. The vices are, indeed, let loose, and they wander and do damage. But the virtues are let loose also; and the virtues wander more wildly, and the virtues do more terrible damage. The modern world is full of the old Christian virtues gone mad. The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated from each other and are wandering alone. Thus some scientists care for truth; and their truth is pitiless. Thus some humanitarians only care for pity; and their pity (I am sorry to say) is often untruthful).” In ORTHODOXY.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

It is too bad that Chesterton mixed up so much of his excellent writing with things like this. He had a hard time separating his Christian theology from his very personal opinions. There is hardly a subject on which he does not have an opinion. (Just read some of his writing on the subject of smoking.)

 

[StudentMI]

Unfortunately I don’t see anything Chesterton was wrong about in that quote.

 

[commenter]

We should respect protests, though I wouldn’t go so far as some politicians, who glorify them. The problem is the lack of prudence.

It’s ok to organize a peaceful protest, at 5 PM, as they did in my city Saturday. A few scheduled speeches, some scheduled prayer. But the afterwards the same crowd, with some add ons, did some property damage, looting, minor violence to police and others.

The people who organized the protest observed what happened in other cities the last few days. Shouldn’t they be held accountable for building a platform they had good reason to know others would exploit for evil? It could have been safer two weeks from today.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Unfortunately I don’t see anything Chesterton was wrong about in that quote.

It’s not so much that Chesterton was wrong but that he was incomprehensible. He said virtues have gone mad and are wandering alone. What does that even mean? He tries to illustrate by citing scientists and humanitarians as having too much of one virtue and not enough of another. And although such a thing is conceivable, it is far from the norm among scientists and humanitarians of today, if indeed it was even true of scientists and humanitarians of his day. One of the problems with Chesterton is that he does not distinguish between legitimate problems of his day and universal problems throughout the ages. He is very much a product of his time in this regard. There was some very bad science in his day, such as eugenics. And perhaps there were some misguided humanitarians of his day that put forth wild theories on how to benefit mankind through social revolution. But those instances were not the norm then, and are certainly not the norm now, which makes his observation about virtue gone wild a little dated.

 

[commenter]

As Chesterton wrote, the vices are running loose today, and do some damage. The looters are bad, but at least they know they’re bad. They break glass to get stuff. There’s Hope for them. No pretense there.

The problem is the ones who riot, and enjoy it. There was almost a carnival atmosphere locally, people who like the sound of broken glass. People who love to taunt the police, threaten the police, not out of necessity but because (this week) they feel empowered by righteousness.

I’m sure most police use force only reluctantly, as a last resort, but a few welcome the opportunity.

In a relativistic, anti doctrine anti dogma age the virtues are separated from truth, separated from each other. They do more harm than the vices.