Minneapolis Riots

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I said nothing of the kind that you apparently and incorrectly summarized from my post.

Also I see this morning the governor of Minnesota appears to agree with my thoughts of addressing the root causes.
 
Being a native Californian who lived in San Francisco for six years, I would be curious to know how exactly the City raised taxes on black people more than on white people? When a tax bill gets sent out, how do they know the race of the recipient? And who was the mastermind of this scheme?
property taxes?

As a mechanism, that’s how it could be done. Forced gentrification.
 
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Being a native Californian who lived in San Francisco for six years, I would be curious to know how exactly the City raised taxes on black people more than on white people? When a tax bill gets sent out, how do they know the race of the recipient? And who was the mastermind of this scheme?
property taxes?

As a mechanism, that’s how it could be done. Forced gentrification.
The same property tax rules apply to everyone in California. Ever since Proposition 13 was passed in 1978, property taxes in California can’t rise more than 2% per year and the property is only reassessed when it’s sold. So, if someone already has a piece of property in San Francisco, property taxes on it will go up less there and in other California cities than in most other states. But if they sell, the new owner would have to pay considerably more in taxes in San Francisco after the value of the property is reassessed because property values are high there. But none of this has to do with race. It’s just as difficult for a poor or middle class white person to buy property in San Francisco as it is for a black person.
 
Then you’re going to need to do something about gerrymandering. Both parties have used it to depress the vote that may aid their opponents.
 
Further to this, I will bet you a lot of the people out protesting and harassing the police are the first ones to call the cops when they have a problem they need help with.
 
We’ll never be able to get rid of them until they do something that betrays their true nature.
If there are many complaints and red flags against a police officer, why is there no discipline or charges brought against him/her? Why aren’t they fired?

What role, if any, do police unions play in protecting bad or incompetent police officers?

I sometimes read or hear others accuse the unions of protecting bad officers and that’s the reason why they aren’t disciplined or fired. I’m curious as to how much truth, if any, there is to that.
 
Quite ridiculous, right?
I don’t know enough about the situation to really comment on it that much.
I don’t support rioting, bottom line, but I bet there’s more nuance to this situation rather than just saying the other side is ridiculous.
Or maybe there isn’t, I don’t know.
 
They are not. It is understandable that there is outrage, as in any injustice it is natural to cause in us anger and indignation, however the ends never justify the means.

We will never be able to fight injustice by doing evil things, otherwise things just get worse. Violence only creates more violence in an never ending spiral of mutual destruction.

The best way to restore justice in this case is to protest peacefully and ensure full accountability for the tragic death of George Floyd.
 
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In my experience there is almost no truth to it. Can’t speak for other departments. We’ve had a few who showed themselves to be bad and we canned them before they even finished field training. One before he even got out of the academy. Is there still that good old boy system that protects the corrupt? I’m sure there is in some places, and we need to get rid of it. It also exists in other segments of society. What about those people who shield murderers, rapists and robbers in their communities because they don’t want to be “snitches”? Why does society celebrate them, while condemning the same attitude in other segments? It has to be eradicated from all levels.

I should also add, with regard to complaints against officers, that they all have to be taken with a grain of salt. Investigated, yes, but not taken as a sole cause for action against an officer. People file complaints all the time. They are largely unfounded, and often completely made up. People file complaints when things don’t go the way they want, even if they were clearly in the wrong. As I mentioned earlier, I was once the subject of a racism complaint for arresting an Hispanic. I’m Hispanic. If people want complaints against officers to be taken seriously, they have to stop filing them frivolously.
 
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I was born poor. so poor that some times there wasnt food on the table. Most of my cloths were handme downs. But today I live a very comfortable life and it 100% due to white privilege.
 
I was born poor. so poor that some times there wasnt food on the table. Most of my cloths were handme downs. But today I live a very comfortable life and it 100% due to white privilege.
I grew up not knowing if we’d have our house long, with the local church giving us used clothing including underwear. I only wear new clothing now due to white privilege.
 
The ignorance card really isn’t the best answer. This mindset of “I don’t know enough, so I can’t say” is truly a bad answer. Evil is evil no matter the situation. The ends don’t justify the means. I support the protest, not the riot. Peaceful protests are constitutional; violent and destructive riots are not. As St Paul says: “Be in subjection to the authorities.” (Romans 13:1) This violence and destruction being cause across the country is taking away from the true message of the protest that needed to happen and George Floyd’s murder.
So, it is quite ridiculous that there are supporters of the riots, violence and destruction.
 
Actually, I don’t believe the term “White privilege” refers to the economic advantage of Whites. I believe it refers to the fact that Whites do not have to live in fear of such things as police brutality, not being hired for a job because of their skin color, not being able to buy a home or take out a loan because of their race/color, and so on. Whites do not have these concerns. Further, they may not be aware that people of color are worried about and do live in fear of such things happening to them.
 
Thank you. Blaming the police unions always seemed like an easy way to explain away complicated problems that don’t have simple answers and now I know that bad police officers are not protected by unions. So I can challenge that myth when I hear it. You have one of the most stressful jobs and the stress must be horrendous. Sorry someone filed a complaint against you and glad you were cleared.

So, bad police officers are hopefully let go when necessary but for whatever reason, that doesn’t always happen. But change is possible.

The police in the poverty stricken city nearest me always had a bad reputation for corruption and the city had one of the highest crime and murder rates in the United States. The state and county intervened a few years ago and revamped the department and changed to community based policing. The crime rate is now the lowest it’s been in 50 years. In 1969, there were riots in the city and I remember seeing the flames from the highway as I was driving one night as the city burned and feeling very afraid. Yesterday, there was a peaceful protest in the city and the police marched with the protestors, something unimaginable 50 years ago. Hope it stays calm there. OTOH, the big city across the river is still dealing with rioting and looting and fires. I feel very bad for the police.
 
In my city the politicians kept repeating that the rioters are “Not From Here”. I’m not sure how they know that.
There is one person who has posted who says he is from that neighborhood and that the rioters are local.

I had one thought today. I wonder if the lockdown and subsequent high unemployment has contributed to the pool of people available to go and protest, riot or otherwise engage in activity apart from the normal routine, idle hands and all that.
 
If White privilege is defined this way, I do agree that Whites, including poor Whites, do have White privilege. The only thing I have against the term is that it may be used as if Whites are the only group that have privilege, or that this is the only kind of privilege people should be more aware of. For people of color, there is indeed White privilege, but for Muslims and Jews, there is also “Christian privilege,” in that Christians do not need to be afraid of certain things such as anti-Muslim attacks or anti-Semitic incidents that Muslims and Jews need to be concerned about. There is also “Straight privilege,” in that discrimination in such things as employment and housing is not something that straight people need to fear, but something that gay people are still aware of and concerned about.

Whites, Christians, and straight people do of course have worries and concerns, financial problems, health concerns, and whatnot; but they do not have the additional fears and worries that come with being people of color, non-Christians, or gay.
 
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