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StudentMI
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I don’t feel attacked. What you said was wrong. Deal with it. I don’t think you understand what an ad hominem is.
There is racism among all people. Not just white people. Deal with it.
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There is racism among all people. Not just white people. Deal with it.
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Fuerza
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I am Catholic. My department doesn’t really have any “bad apples”. Sure there are some jerks, as with any profession, but our community loves us and and I’ve never witnessed an incident of excessive force. It’s up to all officers to combat abuse, regardless of their religion. Actually religion wouldn’t really come into play anyway, as most officers would be unwilling to discuss their beliefs while in uniform, knowing the (unwarranted) backlash it would cause. We all have to lead by example. That said, again, this type of violence by police is not quite as widespread as is often portrayed. The examples which have surfaced over the years, while seemingly numerous, again represent only a small fraction of a percent of officers out there.
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CTBcin
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What happened to George Floyd was disgusting and inexcusable. I can see why people are angry, especially since past injustices have often gone ignored.
However, my sympathy quickly wanes when I see this kind of reaction. Violence, arson, and vandalism of private property are never moral or acceptable responses. It is all the more unhelpful in a time of pandemic.
However, my sympathy quickly wanes when I see this kind of reaction. Violence, arson, and vandalism of private property are never moral or acceptable responses. It is all the more unhelpful in a time of pandemic.
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phil3
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Youre never going to fix it.
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Anrakyr
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Allow me to blow your mind for a moment;
Black people, Natives, Hispanic can’t be racist. Racism is a systematic oppression of a group. Ergo a system of problems ranging from gentrification, over policing and financial ceilings.
Minorities can be bigoted but there’s no system holding back the privileged.
Sure, I can accept it however one unjust killing is too many. The fact the system allows it negates any claim it’s “only a small percentage.”
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StudentMI
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Yeah, mind not blown. Sorry. I’ve heard that nonsense before. That’s one definition. Tell it to the victims of the Zebra murders.
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Anrakyr
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Of course.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Thom18
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If a news story broke a week before all of this happened, that several local businesses had been vandalized and looted in the same night, it would be universally condemned. Those business owners have been victimized, as have their patrons who relied on them for goods and services.
Now all of this is going on, businesses are being vandalized and looted, but because it’s part of a “protest”, we’re expected to be OK with it. It’s OK to victimize others who had nothing to do with the event they’re protesting, I suppose. Misery loves company.
Now all of this is going on, businesses are being vandalized and looted, but because it’s part of a “protest”, we’re expected to be OK with it. It’s OK to victimize others who had nothing to do with the event they’re protesting, I suppose. Misery loves company.
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Fuerza
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I’m Hispanic. I get accused of racism whenever I arrest someone who’s not white. I once got accused of racism after arresting an Hispanic state senator. I don’t buy the whole argument that only white people can be racist. Anyone who hates anyone else because of their race is a racist.
I also agree that one unjust death is too many. I don’t buy however that it makes all other officers guilty. An unjust murder in Minneapolis, 1500 miles from me, does not make me guilty of anything. It would be like saying that my pediatrician is guilty because a neurologist three towns over was overprescribing opiates. If we’re going to do collective guilt, why stop at professions. The cop in this case was a man. Are all men now criminals? He was also American. I guess all people born or naturalized in the US should be in prison. It quickly gets ridiculous.
I also agree that one unjust death is too many. I don’t buy however that it makes all other officers guilty. An unjust murder in Minneapolis, 1500 miles from me, does not make me guilty of anything. It would be like saying that my pediatrician is guilty because a neurologist three towns over was overprescribing opiates. If we’re going to do collective guilt, why stop at professions. The cop in this case was a man. Are all men now criminals? He was also American. I guess all people born or naturalized in the US should be in prison. It quickly gets ridiculous.
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Anrakyr
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I shouldn’t have to quote myself because you can’t be asked to scroll up.
This mentally that being pro protest is pro riot is exactly why we can’t fix it.
Focus on solving why people feel they must riot instead of they are.
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Thom18
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Don’t worry, I read what you typed. This “who am I to judge?” attitude is indefensible. If we judged it before, there’s no reason why we shouldn’t feel comfortable judging it now. Victimizing others is never OK.Thom18:
I shouldn’t have to quote myself because you can’t be asked to scroll up.
This mentally that being pro protest is pro riot is exactly why we can’t fix it.
Focus on solving why people feel they must riot instead of they are.
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StudentMI
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Cue charges of not caring about George Floyd or cops violating the rights of others.
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Wampa
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To build on this, this is exactly what MN state leadership is finding, both in the intel they’re receiving and in the results of their investigation of people they’ve arrested. Here’s an article with a ton of details:
“Gov. Tim Walz said officials estimate that about 80 percent of the rioters Friday night were from outside Minnesota while 20 percent were Minnesotans.”
“Officials have deployed a force that would have worked in any other civilian police operation, Walz said. “But this resembles more of a military operation now,” he said. “Ring leaders are moving from place to place.””
In the 1:30am press conference last night (which was just surreal in itself timing-wise), the governor said they have intel that the rioting was planned in advance by out-of-staters and they are targeting all these other U.S. cities, too, not just Minneapolis. He also said that tonight is going to be worse, as their intel said the biggest event nationally has been planned for tonight.
This morning they said the agitators are like a guerilla insurgency popping up to start chaos in one place and then moving out quickly to go to another place. The sense I get from statewide leaders today is that they are pleading with all legitimate protesters to stay home tonight, so that as the military deploys (our entire state National Guard, and maybe federal troops), they’ll be dealing with only these agitators.
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puer.dei
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Meanwhile, the actual residents of Minneapolis are:
cleaning up debris from the riots
checking on friends & family in the area
organizing a food drive for people whose grocery stores have been burned/looted
organizing watches for out-of-state license plates near flash points
grieving the death of an innocent man
dreading tonight
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niceatheist
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Let me ask you, if you had been one of the three officers standing there as Chauvin kneeled on Mr. Floyd’s neck, what would you have done?
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Dr_Meinheimer
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You are going to blame people for using a first amendment right to criticize the kneeling during the anthem? That’s hardly an American attitude. Kapernick’s message was fine. How he went about it failed, just like the looters. And you blame that on his audience. He knew it was getting flack, and he stuck to his guns. IF he had actually cared about his message, he would not have doubled down, but he appeared to be defiant and more about himself than actually changing things.
Let’s all remember this attitude the next time a George Tiller is murdered, or an Eric Rudolph detonates a bomb. “Well, what did you expect?”
Let’s all remember this attitude the next time a George Tiller is murdered, or an Eric Rudolph detonates a bomb. “Well, what did you expect?”
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Dr_Meinheimer
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Has that stopped the rampant black-on-black crime in urban areas?
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Dr_Meinheimer
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That sounds like some sort of -ism. If someone said that about blacks or whites, they’d be pilloried.
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Minneapolis is liberal, its police force is not. About 94% of our police don’t live in the city, they live in the suburbs which are considerably less liberal and more racist. These police officers are not our neighbors and we’re certainly not “their people.” They’re just contracted by the city and corporate organizations to come shoot or arrest as needed.
I say that as a resident of the Longfellow neighborhood, ground zero for the protests. My son and I participated in peaceful protest at Lake Street two days ago. Our neighborhood leaders are discussing our own plans for neighborhood watches and to organize clean up and support bof our local businesses. What you need to understand is that very first act of violence was perpetrated by the police against a black man. And then, the first broken window was done by a white, off duty cop from St. Paul who was confronted by some of us protesters and promptly ran away like the coward he is.
After that act of violence by a “protester” the police “retaliated” from the third precinct by lobbing tear gas at peaceful protesters. In their urgency to relieve burning, they ran to Target to get milk. Only Target refused to sell it to them. THAT is when protesters got really angry and forcefully took milk. At that point, other opportunistic people showed up and began looting.
Even Arodondo, the police chief, stated that looters they were picking up were not from our neighborhood or even the city, but most were from outside the Cities.
This is why the protests during the day are almost all peaceful and why they turned violent at night. Under cover if night, other agents from far right groups trying to invite an outright race war, and far left people trying to invite anarchy, use the opportunity to wreak destruction.
They are fooling no one. Our small businesses know we are going to help them rebuild and they know that violence is being used to undermine the protests against white supremacists. That is why so many of them still voice support for our movement even having had their businesses burned down.
So understand this, we are not done yet and the 75,000 people who showed up this weekend to try to hijack our cause will not succeed in stopping us. I and my family oppose racism and the thugs in uniform who use their legal protection to kill people of color with impunity.
George Lloyd will not have died in vain. R.I.P. George!
I say that as a resident of the Longfellow neighborhood, ground zero for the protests. My son and I participated in peaceful protest at Lake Street two days ago. Our neighborhood leaders are discussing our own plans for neighborhood watches and to organize clean up and support bof our local businesses. What you need to understand is that very first act of violence was perpetrated by the police against a black man. And then, the first broken window was done by a white, off duty cop from St. Paul who was confronted by some of us protesters and promptly ran away like the coward he is.
After that act of violence by a “protester” the police “retaliated” from the third precinct by lobbing tear gas at peaceful protesters. In their urgency to relieve burning, they ran to Target to get milk. Only Target refused to sell it to them. THAT is when protesters got really angry and forcefully took milk. At that point, other opportunistic people showed up and began looting.
Even Arodondo, the police chief, stated that looters they were picking up were not from our neighborhood or even the city, but most were from outside the Cities.
This is why the protests during the day are almost all peaceful and why they turned violent at night. Under cover if night, other agents from far right groups trying to invite an outright race war, and far left people trying to invite anarchy, use the opportunity to wreak destruction.
They are fooling no one. Our small businesses know we are going to help them rebuild and they know that violence is being used to undermine the protests against white supremacists. That is why so many of them still voice support for our movement even having had their businesses burned down.
So understand this, we are not done yet and the 75,000 people who showed up this weekend to try to hijack our cause will not succeed in stopping us. I and my family oppose racism and the thugs in uniform who use their legal protection to kill people of color with impunity.
George Lloyd will not have died in vain. R.I.P. George!
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If the law excuses them then it sounds like what is happening has some sort of legality.
Legality is hardly a defense anyways.
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