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What Trump did outside the Church is shocking and has backfired completely.

Can you image WHAT would have happened if that photo prop and violence towards peaceful protesters, was outside a Muslim Temple…

Doesn’t bare thinking about does it…

I like Trump but he was ill advised … Don’t mix Politics and Religion together.

And certainly don’t hold sacred scriptures up like a trophy after shooting at people for NO REASON…
 
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Trump has lost the plot sadly for the USA.

His method of violence 1st ask questions later isn’t working this time.

As this is no longer about the man who died, it’s about the corruption of authorities and it’s happening now all over the world.

The man who died was just the spark that’s all. Now there is a raging fire burning.
 
I’m surprised so many Catholics are sympathetic to what is happening in the US right now which is nothing more than anarchy. Listen guys, 40 million people in the US lost their jobs due to the lock-down in 9 weeks, something those on the left deemed absolutely necessary and bashed Trump for not doing enough to stop the spread of Covid-19, today thousands of people are protesting and rioting and ignoring social distancing and that same media is praising them and now bashing Trump for stopping them.

WHAT IS GOING ON??? Whats worse is that some Catholics are falling for it, when you have the Mayor of New York de Blasio claiming to shut down Church’s even permanently and businesses for breaking lock-down rule and now is praising the protests as essential what sort of leadership is that and why are you not seeing what is happening. The Left is pushing religion and anyone who doesn’t agree with them away, the lock-down doesn’t apply to them nor does law and order. They failed in bringing Trump down with an impeachment and by blaming him for the virus and now they are trying to burn their own country down and blame him for it, do you guys not see this. Whats worse is that the VAST majority of the mainstream media around the world such as the BBC is actually showing sympathy to these looters and rioters and ultimately trying to pin the blame on police brutality.

I don’t live in the US but i’m watching people around the world who have been duped by this, they want the US to burn, i’m not a fan of Trump or US foreign policies but i have to say what is happening is down-right freighting. Your nation is on the brink of chaos and the mainstream media and much of social media are doing everything possible to fan the flames of division and hate. Something sinister is happening, please don’t let the media divide you.
 
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NYC Mayor de Blasio: Protests essential, but not religion

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Tuesday that ongoing protests in the city merit exceptions to coronavirus regulations, while religious services do not. The mayor’s remarks have drawn criticism from New York’s archdiocese.

“When you see a nation, an entire nation simultaneously grappling with an extraordinary crisis seeded in 400 years of American racism, I’m sorry, that is not the same question as the understandably aggrieved store owner or the devout religious person who wants to go back to services,” de Blasio said at a June 2 press conference, while defending his policy of allowing mass protests while continuing to restrict religious gatherings during the coronavirus pandemic.

On Wednesday, Ed Mechmann, director of public policy for the Archdiocese of New York, said the mayor’s policy shows that religious liberty is now considered a low priority in the city.

“It is clear that in the eyes of our government officials, the politically preferred viewpoint of anti-racism is favored and allowed, while the unpopular one of religious worship is belittled and denigrated,” Mechmann wrote on the archdiocesan website June 3.

With the differing standards of the city for protests and religious gatherings, Mechmann said, “we have once again been given proof that religious liberty is a second-class right.”

New York has been under a strict stay-at-home order starting March 22, and it is only in the early stages of reopening public spaces.

According to the state’s public health department, the city will not enter “phase one” of reopening until June 8. New Yorkers are being instructed to “wear a mask and maintain 6 feet distance in public.”

Meanwhile, protesters have gathered nightly by the thousands across the city to demonstrate against racism and police brutality following the May 25 death of George Floyd in police custody.

Mechmann praised peaceful protests in the city, but noted that Americans also have a right to the free exercise of religion. To honor one right while ignoring the other, he said, is discriminatory.

“This is no longer a question of neutral public health laws that are applied generally to everyone without discrimination. This is indifference and incomprehension at best, bias and discrimination at worst,” Meechmann wrote.

“The right to peaceful assembly, free speech, and petitioning the government for redress of grievances are right there in the First Amendment,” he said. “I’ve marched for the causes I support, so I support others when they do the same.”

Coincidental with the demonstrations, New York City has seen violence, vandalism and looting in the city over a period of several days. NYPD have said they made more than 900 arrests on Monday and Tuesday alone.
 
According to media reports, Mayor de Blasio’s daughter was arrested on Saturday along with 100 other protestors in a demonstration which saw roads blocked and objects thrown at police. After she was reportedly issued with a ticket for disorderly conduct, Mayor de Blasio said he believed his daughter had peacefully protested and he was “proud of her that she cares so much and she was willing to go out there and do something about it.”

On Thursday, the mayor announced that restaurants in the city will shortly be allowed to serve patrons outdoors.

“New York’s restaurants are part of what make us the greatest city in the world. They’ve taken a hit in our fight against COVID-19 – and there’s no recovery without them,” de Blasio stated. Churches are not slated to fully reopen until stage four of the state’s reopening program, along with schools, theaters, and entertainment venues.

Public Mass in the Archdiocese of New York has been suspended since March to prevent the spread of coronavirus. Churches in the city are open for private prayer, but not public Masses of even ten or fewer people.

Mayor de Blasio has already faced criticism for his treatment of houses of worship during the coronavirus pandemic, threatening mass arrests or even permanent closure of churches and synagogues that did not comply with public orders.

On March 27, the mayor called out a "small number of religious communities, specific churches and specific synagogues” for continuing to hold services during New York’s stay-at-home order.

If the services continued, he said, “our enforcement agents” would shut them down, and he threatened fines and even permanent closure of houses of worship for further disobedience of the order.

When thousands gathered to mourn at the funeral of a Hasidic rabbi in Brooklyn in late April, de Blasio said the mass gathering was “absolutely unacceptable.”

He threatened future religious gatherings with mass arrests.

“My message to the Jewish community, and all communities, is this simple: the time for warnings has passed. I have instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even arrest those who gather in large groups,” he tweeted.

At the end of a June 3 press conference, de Blasio invoked the 1971 song “Imagine” by John Lennon to discuss the situation in the city while saying “I don’t mean to make light of this.”

The song imagines a more perfect world in which there is “no heaven” and “no religion.” De Blasio said the song asks essential questions “about a world where people got along differently.”

“What about a world where we didn’t live with a lot of the restrictions that we live with now?” he said. “But we’re not there yet. We are making a lot of progress, I truly believe,” he said.
 
That’s harsh saying some Catholic’s are being tricked into sympathy.

We need law & Order as you rightly mention.

Thousands of People do not come together to protest over nothing ?

Something has badly gone wrong and it’s not just in the USA. Many people protesting are peaceful folk frustrated by corruption and lies.
 
That’s harsh saying some Catholic’s are being tricked into sympathy.

We need law & Order as you rightly mention.

Thousands of People do not come together to protest over nothing ?

Something has badly gone wrong and it’s not just in the USA. Many people protesting are peaceful folk frustrated by corruption and lies.
I don’t have a problem with peaceful protests however my point is being missed. MILLIONS of people have lost their jobs over a pandemic scare and now this happens and poof the pandemic is gone, we now have something greater and more powerful to blame on Trump and non leftist America. I’m pointing out the hippocricy because there is obviously an agenda at play here. Lives have been toyed with. If Covid-19 wasn’t the big bad pandemic that leftists claimed then why have we obliterated sections of our economies for years to come? Where millions have been left impoverished.

I didn’t get it until you start seeing politicians praise these protesters when just weeks ago they threatened to close down church’s if they broke the lock-down rules. In New Zealand we have the government do nothing about protests here, people told they didn’t even need to quarantine while just days before businesses were closed down because they breached the 100 person limit. It’s lunacy and i fear the left are using BLM just as they used the coronovirus for political purposes but it’s playing with peoples lives as entire cities are on fire
 
Even now, Kroll has announced his intention to get the four fired police involved in Floyd’s death hired back.
It the union has the power to have people re-instated, do you see re-organization as a method of union busting, kind of like selling the company to another corporation?

I would point out that relying on community security even for a short period of months historically is not a good idea. Security is protection, and selling protection by community will likely result in gang violence. Even relying on community based fire departments has resulted in them devolving to gangs, fighting for territory and as likely to set fires as put them out. I would think transition would need to be seamless, as in no interim in the switch, to keep this from happening.

I like the idea of splitting off responsibilities, that is, mental health, code enforcement, and social work, to reduce the police force to those who can live there better than geographic splitting. It is less taxing, literally. Departments need more than patrol officers. They need dispatchers and investigative departments. When one thinks of security forces, remember that they only take care of initial security. When confronted with an actual crime, they all call the police to prosecute that crime.
 
and poof the pandemic is gone,
Well, don’t hold your breath on that. Or better yet, do hold your breath when in public. The number of infected people has not reduced that much. New cases are only slowly dropping across the U.S. Before the killing of Mr. Floyd we were approaching 100,000 dead. Today we passed that mark and are at 107,000.

I find the only irrational fear to be that of “the left” as if they are that much different than “the right.”
 
It’s not about colour or economics… It’s about brutality and how some in authority use that power to do what they like.
 
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I’m familiar with what the term means. Didn’t need the Wikipedia article. If there are cops like that then they need to go. But that’s not the majority of us, nor is it even a truly measurable minority. Protesters are complaining that they are being denigrated as if they were one with violent rioters, but continue to attack police as if we’re a monolithic entity.
 
A combination of that and desperation.
I definitely believe that between the lockdowns and the spate of incidents which all occurred within a relatively short period of time helped to add to fuel to the fire (pun not intended). Still don’t condone it, but I agree with you, that was an aggravating factor.
 
The left is worse than the right bevause the left are trying to censor anyone who doesn’t agree with them. The left today is more openly supportive of anarchy and violence for it’s political aims
 
I hope the Minneapolis nutjobs succeed in defunding or abolishing the police because they will ultimately see absolute chaos reign. They will deserve the destruction they bring upon themselves. And when the subservient leaders have their lives and property destroyed let’s see how they feel then.
 
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The left is worse than the right bevause the left are trying to censor anyone who doesn’t agree with them. The left today is more openly supportive of anarchy and violence for it’s political aims
I think both sides are censorship happy. The right with Twitter and other things, the left with social pressure and political correctness. Historically I think the left is far more censorship happy but the right definitely has those who favor it.
 
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Anyone on the right who agrees with censorship are not a conservative in my opinion and are just part of the global elite that real conservatives despise.
 
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The left is worse than the right bevause the left are trying to censor anyone who doesn’t agree with them. The left today is more openly supportive of anarchy and violence for it’s political aims
I think both sides are censorship happy. The right with Twitter and other things, the left with social pressure and political correctness. Historically I think the left is far more censorship happy but the right definitely has those who favor it.
Actually Twitter are on the left and censor the right. I don’t know of any form of right wing media that censor the left. Look at Universities for example and the erratic protests by liberal students against right wing speakers like Ben Shapiro. Do you ever notice it’s never the other way around. I’ve noticed that more and more lately. Surely if the left want to be taken seriously they need to stop stomping their feet like spoilt children and try and compete in rational debate
 
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