Modern Day Witches Call Theirs ‘A Beautiful Way Of Life’

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Well what would you say if vitriolic falsehoods on the level of the following were directed at Our Faith, and you know there are people who do hurl that kind of thing at us. For instance, I have heard Protestants call the Pope the antichrist and satan incarnate. I call that religious bigotry. So why is it not the same when we say what has been said on this thread:
  • The evil one really is working on the populous
  • A way of life that is leading them to hell. Not beautiful, ugly.
  • They chant to someone, presumably the devil. (not frue)
  • …activities that blasphemously imitate and intentionally pervert Catholic worship (not true)
  • All other gods are either demons or the devil himself. (ridiculous - a more likely explanation is that it is an imperfect understanding of the One True God)
    *Why do they do that? The influence of Lucifer and un-absolved sin? (again, a complete falsehood)
 
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It was. But Jews, Protestants and “witches” were specifically targeted as heretics.
 
It doesn’t matter if you think you’re worshipping the devil or not: if you are worshipping a “god” that gets you demon possessed, I’m gonna go ahead and say you’re probably worshipping a demon.

Who would knowingly worship a demon? They’re deceptive, that’s kinda a big point about them.
 
You are completely making that up. Catholic teaching is that “Demons are fallen angels under the command of Satan” Wiccans don’t believe in angels or satan, so how can they be worshipping them?
 
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For the record, I am not saying I SUPPORT pagan religions because I don’t. I am talking about tolerance, at least the same level of tolerance that we show other religions. And I think if a Catholic wanted to oppose a group of religions, Protestantism is a worse affront to Catholicism, because it was started in direct opposition to Our Faith. But I am not recommending we do that either, just making a point.

The “Declaration on the Relationship of the Church to Non-Christian Religions” says that (emphasis added):

All men form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth (cf. Acts 17:26), and also because all share a common destiny, namely God… Men look to their different religions for an answer to the unsolved riddles of human existence…. The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions.

Yet she proclaims and is in duty bound to proclaim without fail, Christ who is the way, the truth and the life (Jn. 1:6). In him, in whom God reconciled all things to himself (2 Cor. 5:18-19), men find the fullness of their religious life.

Accordingly, following the footsteps of the holy apostles Peter and Paul, the sacred Council earnestly begs the Christian faithful to “conduct themselves well among the Gentiles” (1 Pet. 2:12) and if possible, as far as depends on them, to be at peace with all men (cf. Rom 12:18 ) and in that way to be true sons of the Father who is in heaven (cf. Mt. 5:45).

So that is Catholic teaching on the topic of this thread, so I see no reason why it is not an appropriate point to make on this forum. What I have read here is the opposite of us “conducting ourselves well with the Gentiles,” or “being at peace with all men” (or women). We should stick to Our Faith, but be tolerant of everyone.
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Regarding the points which are emphasized with bold:

I didn’t notice any threads that reject what is holy and true in these religions. On the contrary, some posts pointed out what is true, and others rejected what is false.

Conducting ourselves well among the Gentiles is a bit vague, but it doesn’t apply on a Catholic Forum. Although the forums are open to all, I would hardly consider ourselves among witches on this forum. It is more like they are here among Catholics. Hopefully they will conduct themselves well among us.

No one wished harm to witches. I read nothing that indicates that posters are not at peace with witches.
 
If it serves Satan’s purpose to cover his identity, then he will do it. He is the father of lies!
 
I would say that I get the feeling from you that you care about tolerance and that’s a good thing!
I would say, meh, people complaining about the RCC is pretty much part of the ambient background noise.

That said, Wicca is a very different phenomenon than nowadays Protestantism .

For one thing, as has been mentioned elsewhere, there is no one single definition of Wicca. It tends to be conflated with other New Age practices.
To be Wiccan, it seems you need to reject the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. You need to reject Jesus, and yes, on a spiritual level, I have a big problem with that.
Wicca hasn’t been around long enough for there to be too many cradle Wiccans. Therefore, they’re being drained off from other faith traditions. Yes, you need to talk to people so they can tell you the reasons for the decisions they make ( poor catehesis, bad experience with believers, looking for something cool and exotic)–but I do have a big problem with a positive rejection of Jesus Christ in order to honor the Great Triple Goddes or what have you.
Protestants worship Jesus like we do. Our theologies are different, but we worship the same Lord.
The rejection of the Highest Good, will by definition, leave you with something lacking…

But anyhow, that’s what I would say.
Peace.
 
Well said. I agree those are the root causes. Doesn’t make the intolerance any easier to listen t however. I know these “Shiite Catholics”* mean well but I don’t think they are following the spirit of Catholicism and I don’t think they help the cause.
  • A term I like, appropriated from Catholic comedian Jim Gaffigan.
 
“Wiccans don’t believe in angels or satan, so how can they worship them?”

It’s actually really quite simple.
It’s actually easier to worship devils if you don’t believe in them.

All the devil has to do is act like a god of some sort, or a “spirit guide” or a “spirit helper” or whatever suits your fancy.
He’s called the father of all lies for a reason, they are excellent at deception.
 
No.

You act like this is an odd idea.
Many have believed the gods of the pagans are devils.
For instance, one story of St Gregory the Wonder Worker is that he had to stop at a pagan temple for rest in the night. He blessed it.
The priest at the Temple came by but noticed something was wrong. His gods were not there.
So st Gregory wrote a letter saying the devil could now enter the temple.
Seeing this, the priest noticed that St Gregory had power over his gods, so he converted to believe in the God of the saint.

Another story is of a martyr whose name escapes me. He was killed because he refused to follow pagan rites, saying something along the lines of, “Why would I fear your gods who, according to you, fear me?”

The Bible even says this, that the gods of the pagans are devils.
 
Kei said:
“Wiccans don’t believe in angels or satan, so how can they worship them?”

It’s actually really quite simple.

It’s actually easier to worship devils if you don’t believe in them.

All the devil has to do is act like a god of some sort, or a “spirit guide” or a “spirit helper” or whatever suits your fancy.

He’s called the father of all lies for a reason, they are excellent at deception.
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Exactly.

If a devil was to present himself as the serpent, evil one, father of lies, and adversary of man - It would be difficult to find many followers.

On the other hand, it’s much easier for Wiccans to dance skyclad while bathing in the moonlight as they worship goddess, mother earth.
 
It’s just that Wicca isn’t an indigenous religion like classic paganism. It’s more a response to a dechristianized culture and a modern rejection of the Church.
 
Being mistaken is not a sin, let alone one worthy of damnation.
 
OK, but Wikipedia lists 193 religions that are newer than Wicca, including the Church of Satan and some really dangerous cults, and here we are railing on Wicca.
 
Conducting ourselves well among the Gentiles is a bit vague, but it doesn’t apply on a Catholic Forum. Although the forums are open to all, I would hardly consider ourselves among witches on this forum. It is more like they are here among Catholics. Hopefully they will conduct themselves well among us.
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There actually are some people who identify as witches on this forum. Also, I don’t think common decency “doesn’t apply on a Catholic Forum”. You’re representing the Catholic faith here, which is all the more reason to conduct yourselves well. It’s the internet, everyone has access to this thread.
 
Point taken. Wicca may be less dangerous than other modern belief systems. But the fact that they seek out and use spirits without recognizing the fallen ones makes Wicca just a little less dangerous than some.
 
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There actually are some people who identify as witches on this forum.
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It would be good if some of them could weigh in on this issue.
I personally found the article wasn’t terribly flattering to Wiccans - it kind of poked fun at them in the way news media slyly poke fun at religion in general.
 
Ok so how do we know that they actually cast spells or do anything at all that would affect anyone else besides themselves before we “burn them at the stake”? Because if they cannot actually curse us then the only problem we have is keeping others from joining them because we believe it is wrong. Like closed ones, we cannot claim a social embargo on them if we have no proof of them doing anything actually.
How?
 
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