Moratorium on discussions about same-sex marriage yes or no?

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LOL It’s the Homosexual Agenda, right? Who is paying the money?
They probably have strong basis to suspect that money is involved behind the posts of self-proclaimed gays. But no matter how strong that may be, still it remains a suspicion.

If their posts are not open to replies, then we would have good reason to impose moratorium. If the self-proclaimed gays do not get tired advancing their agenda, as they are doing these days, we too should be ready to face the battle head on anywhere and anytime if what they want is battle. But it is not a sign of strength on our part if we generalize that every self-proclaimed gay who would visit this forum is simply availing of free advertisement for the gay cause. There probably are others who come here sincerely searching for answers but in doing it they sometimes seem to be combatants.

Anyway, if in the course of the discussions within a thread it would be confirmed that one or more of the participants is undoubtedly simply hitching, then close the thread. But at least we first favored the presumption of innocence as against wicked intents.
 
So the question by really be, should CAF allow it self to be duped in promoting a forum for the activist? Of course how well is the selection of monitors of the forums as it comes to recognizing concerted efforts of activism by those which to attempt to do harm to the Church or misrepresent the Church teachings?
If that happens, let us unmask the impostor and “skin” him in this forum.
 
They probably have strong basis to suspect that money is involved behind the posts of self-proclaimed gays. But no matter how strong that may be, still it remains a suspicion.

If their posts are not open to replies, then we would have good reason to impose moratorium. If the self-proclaimed gays do not get tired advancing their agenda, as they are doing these days, we too should be ready to face the battle head on anywhere and anytime if what they want is battle. But it is not a sign of strength on our part if we generalize that every self-proclaimed gay who would visit this forum is simply availing of free advertisement for the gay cause. There probably are others who come here sincerely searching for answers but in doing it they sometimes seem to be combatants.

Anyway, if in the course of the discussions within a thread it would be confirmed that one or more of the participants is undoubtedly simply hitching, then close the thread. But at least we first favored the presumption of innocence as against wicked intents.
In my past experience as a left-wing activist, I know you don’t have to be a payed activist, for activist are willing to give their own time and money to to be an activist, just like us that are called to defend our faith. As to what it is being said on the threads after about a dozen post, the question let is let us say: "is why does the Church oppose gay marrige? A reply is giving listing the reasons… then a reply comes a says that is studid, … then the thread just goes back and forth until we get over 700 post back and a forth… over and over and over… so who wins? The Gay appoligist for he or she gets more then enough time and freedom to barate the Churches teachings, provoke anger etc.etc.

These threads after the Church teachings are presented consideration about them being closed should come quickly and any new thread should be refered to any closed threads on the subject or to “ask the appoligist”, why should CAF give the “gay” rights movement a platform to to riducule the Church? No converison is going on, no logical discussion after the first dozen post, just hate mongering by those that hate the Church and her teachings …IMHO

Already on this thread “gay” appoligists ridicule Christ and the Church and have attempted to derail the thread. and I suspect when we have some that identify themselves as Christians and take an ultra extreme stand, are they in reality “gay” activist which are trying to make the Church look like extremist and give the “gay” appoligist a chance to further riducle the Church. Of course anyone that oppose the idea of “gay” marraige are considered extreme in the eyes of the “gay” movement.

Paid activists on CAF, this I have doubt, but activist have agendas and wrong minded agendas work to undermind the good, even if they fail to see or understnad the wrong they promote.

There is nothing wrong with policing the situation.

Of course agangbern, there is no monitor I suspect, nor would I have reason to suspect that may or would undermined CAF. But some threads go beyond any reasonable discussion, so it does make me wonder, sometimes. Overall though, I know the monitors do a very good job for they have had to chastise me a time or two, for being uncharitable, which I didn’t see as being censorship, but a challenge and reminder for me to be more Christ like - so here’s Kudos to the CAF monitors.👍

Of course by my own standard I have presented this thread might be closed soon…:rolleyes:
 
Moratorium on discussions about same-sex marriage yes or no?

It appear to me, that the subject of same sex marriage is continues to posted in new threads over and over with many of the same arguments being discussed over and over. IMHO this discussion seem to be started by persons whom come to theis forum to push to what seems to me a agenda to redicule the Churches postion on the subject and try to provoke angry on CAF. Many time it seems after the aguments have been exhausted, persons will come back under different user names and start a new thread on the subject in order to once again riducle the Church, her teachings on the subject and those who follow the Churches teachings. would it not be in this case proper to have moratorium on the subject? Yes? or No? why or why not?

It is obvious most of the discussions are not presenting anything new, but are exposing the younger (teens younger) forum members to extreme falsehoods in which the “gay” appologist are using this forum to promote. IMHO.
As well as the falsehoods from the right such as gays are more likely to be child molestors. I recognize falsehoods from both sides of the argument.
 
Now was anyone at daily mass for the 21st of March? The self righteous heterosexuals keep on praising God for not being homosexual. The homosexuals don’t recognize it as a sin. We’re all the publicans except for a few of us. And I for one would rather continue being a sinner if it humbles me than get proud in my ability not to sin.
 
Ephesians 5:24-25
24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

So wives submit to husbands as The Church submits to Christ and husbands love their wives as Christ loves The Church.

Ephesians 5:31-32
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

This would indicate that Christian marraige mirrors the relationship between Christ and his Church.

Christ is the faithful husband and he is male.

The Church is the bride of Christ and she is female.

This means that theologically same sex marriage is an impossibility.

But, something tells me that my view based on The Bible is unexceptable to some.
 
As well as the falsehoods from the right such as gays are more likely to be child molestors. I recognize falsehoods from both sides of the argument.
Off topic… off topic … Alert… Alert… derail the trhead alert…

goofyim you are stearing the topic away from the intent of the thread.

What is your vote? Should we have moratorium on discussions about same-sex marriage yes or no?
 
Ephesians 5:24-25
24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

So wives submit to husbands as The Church submits to Christ and husbands love their wives as Christ loves The Church.

Ephesians 5:31-32
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

This would indicate that Christian marraige mirrors the relationship between Christ and his Church.

Christ is the faithful husband and he is male.

The Church is the bride of Christ and she is female.

This means that theologically same sex marriage is an impossibility.

But, something tells me that my view based on The Bible is unexceptable to some.
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Originally Posted by goofyjim forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
As well as the falsehoods from the right such as gays are more likely to be child molestors. I recognize falsehoods from both sides of the argument.
Off topic… off topic … Alert… Alert… derail the thread alert…

goofyim and East Anglican you two are stearing the topic away from the intent of the thread.

What is your vote? Should we have moratorium on discussions about same-sex marriage yes or no?
 
Now was anyone at daily mass for the 21st of March? The self righteous heterosexuals keep on praising God for not being homosexual. The homosexuals don’t recognize it as a sin. We’re all the publicans except for a few of us. And I for one would rather continue being a sinner if it humbles me than get proud in my ability not to sin.
Why should you label persons as heterosexual or homosexual? Should human beings be classified according to their sexual inclinations? What for should we have to classify them that way? And who is the person here you found praising God for not being homosexual? I guess you are simply imagining.
 
What is your vote? Should we have moratorium on discussions about same-sex marriage yes or no?
On the contrary. We are discussing why there should be a moratorium on this topic. You mentioned the falsehoods from the gay agenda but not the ones from the right. For reasons of both, the topic should be put on moratorium. Let’s not blame everything on thegay agenda, whatever that is.
 
I don’t know.

The thing is people will visit these forums in the future and want to discuss the thing and I don’t think it would be right denying them the chance to do so.

Theologically I believe gay marriage to be impossible. It can not be sanctioned by The Church because God would never sanction it.

What would be better to discuss is the fact that some people are atracted to members of their own sex and not by choice. If it is not by choice it can’t be sin. So what are we as Christians to do about it?
 
I don’t know.

The thing is people will visit these forums in the future and want to discuss the thing and I don’t think it would be right denying them the chance to do so.

Theologically I believe gay marriage to be impossible. It can not be sanctioned by The Church because God would never sanction it.

What would be better to discuss is the fact that some people are** atracted **to members of their own sex and not by choice. If it is not by choice it can’t be sin. So what are we as Christians to do about it?
No problem with attraction. But I just could not understand why some here need to classify persons as homosexual or heterosexual. What for should they have to classify persons according to sexual orientation? And why should some need to tell the world that they are gay? What for?
 
No problem with attraction. But I just could not understand why some here need to classify persons as homosexual or heterosexual. What for should they have to classify persons according to sexual orientation? And why should some need to tell the world that they are gay? What for?
In part, for the same reason I need to tell people that I’m Canadian. I really, really dislike being considered an American, especially with all of the assumptions that come with that. I’m sure that most Americans would be completely baffled as to why we Canadians are so adamant to point out that we’re NOT Americans.

Or why someone might classify themselves as Baptist, or Anglican, or Catholic. It’s like shorthand - if you tell me that you’re Roman Catholic, I know some things about you, as compared to if you told me you’re a Southern Baptist.

One thing I’ve noticed here in Canada, by the way, is that there is much less classifying people by sexual orientation since marriage was redefined by the Supreme Court. So I’ll guess that the classifying is much more rampant in places where those who are same-sex attracted are still fighting to be treated like equal human beings.
 
In part, for the same reason I need to tell people that I’m Canadian. I really, really dislike being considered an American, especially with all of the assumptions that come with that. I’m sure that most Americans would be completely baffled as to why we Canadians are so adamant to point out that we’re NOT Americans.

Or why someone might classify themselves as Baptist, or Anglican, or Catholic. It’s like shorthand - if you tell me that you’re Roman Catholic, I know some things about you, as compared to if you told me you’re a Southern Baptist.

One thing I’ve noticed here in Canada, by the way, is that there is much less classifying people by sexual orientation since marriage was redefined by the Supreme Court. So I’ll guess that the classifying is much more rampant in places where those who are same-sex attracted are still fighting to be treated like equal human beings.
The analogy is obviously a “kilometer” far. I just need a direct answer from a self-proclaimed gay out there.Why do they need to proclaim themselves as gay? What for? Do they not enjoy the respect given to them as human beings unless the world should know that they are gays?
 
The analogy is obviously a “kilometer” far. I just need a direct answer from a self-proclaimed gay.Why do they need to proclaim themselves as gay? What for? Do they not enjoy the respect given to them as human beings unless the world should know that they are gays?
Just as a married couple needs to be free to show their love by way of wedding rings and such, The gay person needs to let the world know that despite all else he is happy. He shouldn’t let his mood be determined by outside forces.
 
What’s to discuss? It is merely two people of the same sex, living together in mortal sin. Regardless of what man’s law calls there is no marriage and it is still just that, i.e,. two people living in mortal sin.

**I would point out that the secular law permits marriages between heterosexuals that would be considered mortal sin in the eyes of the Church.

Is there a reall difference if the two people are the same sex or opposite sexes?**
 
Just as a married couple needs to be free to show their love by way of wedding rings and such, The gay person needs to let the world know that despite all else he is happy. He shouldn’t let his mood be determined by outside forces.
So, the gays want to let the world know that they want to marry one of their same kind, right?
 
Is there a reall difference if the two people are the same sex or opposite sexes?
The difference is like heaven and hell. For God willed that the purpose of marriage is basically procreation done not in any other way but specifically through the becoming "one flesh" of the husband and the wife.
 
The analogy is obviously a “kilometer” far. I just need a direct answer from a self-proclaimed gay out there.Why do they need to proclaim themselves as gay? What for? Do they not enjoy the respect given to them as human beings unless the world should know that they are gays?
Why would my answer not be sufficient? Is there some specific definition of “gay” that you’re using other than ‘attracted to the same sex’?

You assume that the people you talk to are completely opposite-sex-oriented. Because of this, you make more assumptions, many of which are wrong. For example, you obviously are assuming that I am completely opposite-sex-oriented, perhaps because I’ve made it clear that I’m in a heterosexual relationship. Bad assumption.

“Respect given to them as human beings”? Where? Here in Canada, I’d say that that is the case, and AS I SAID, the classification of people by orientation has mostly become a non-issue here, specifically because it is illegal to discriminate based on sex or sexual orientation - and that includes marriage and adoption.
 
Ever wonder why an adulterer doesn’t post, stating this is what he wants in life and try to justify? Maybe some have as some of the LDS believe they can have more than one wife.

I voted yes, but maybe I was wrong as somebody needs to continue to say it is wrong as christians. What is so strange to me is the many “gays” that want the church to say it ok to be gay. Could it be because some so called “churches” have done just that giving hope that all christians will accept the gay lifestyle. That will never happen because the word of God says it a sin a big sin.

As long as christians have the Bible, gay lifestyle will never be accepted.
 
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