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laylow
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Pup7
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When you point something - anything - out, you consider it rational discussion.
When someone else does it, you call them out for deflection (which it actually isn’t - it’s just that person bringing up a point).
I’m not typing in Greek.
What Gorgias said wasn’t “BS logic”. It was logic, plain and simple. And it was accurate, and it was the exact same point I made.
When someone else does it, you call them out for deflection (which it actually isn’t - it’s just that person bringing up a point).
I’m not typing in Greek.
What Gorgias said wasn’t “BS logic”. It was logic, plain and simple. And it was accurate, and it was the exact same point I made.
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Nope. My “game” is often to expose the weaknesses of folks’ arguments by showing how absurd they are.
I agree. However, the concerns aren’t about celibacy, as has been claimed here.
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laylow
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Better get a new game. Starting to get weak.Nope. My “game” is often to expose the weaknesses of folks’ arguments by showing how absurd they are.
Actually, they have admitted that it may be an issue.
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Pup7
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So could the poor screening of applicants to the seminary.
Interesting that the only recent allegations of abuse occurring less than ten years ago (and before) have occurred outside the US. (May I recommend Gorgias’ earlier link to the Psychology Today article?)
They are looking it as a potential cause. Not as the central cause.
Being celibate doesn’t make you a sexual predator of prepubescent children or minors.
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Comparing celibacy to wearing black? Come on, that is deflecting. I’ve already pointed out many reasons why celibacy could be an issue. To compare it to something as trivial as wearing black is dishonest and irresponsible. It’s no wonder no one seems to care about the real victims here! There are kids being abused, their whole lives ruined!!! And we are worried about protecting some stupid ancient “law!” Wow, if you care at all about making inroads with people of differing opinions, it would be helpful to be receptive to reality.
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I dunno. It sure seems to have been effective in getting your attention.
Citation, please.
(The only thing I can think of, in which the Church recently discussed the viability of clerical celibacy, is Francis’ statements discussing the possibility of a relaxation of celibacy in far-flung areas in which a critical lack of priests is being experienced. Is that what you’re talking about?)
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Pup7
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So every time someone presents an example/analogy/parallel to make a point it’s deflection.
Noted.
Noted.
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laylow
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It may seem crazy to you, but applicants who are molesters don’t just openly admit it during the interview process. These people are shrewd and know what they want.
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laylow
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Ha, that’s an over-generation. If you can’t see the difference, then I can’t help you.
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Pup7
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You know, it may seem crazy to you, but I’m not an idiot.
I’m a pretty well educated RN and a military officer, but I’m not an idiot.
You can discuss things without pandering prefaces.
Ever hear of psychological evaluation? The military does it. And clearly it’s not always successful given incidents like Fort Hood and others, but we do it for a reason. Many, many career fields - not just mine - use it in some form, overtly or covertly. And the evidence of success far outweighs the incidents of failure.
That reminds me (just warning you, I’m going to draw a parallel) of the people who think all foreigners marrying Americans are just doing it to get the green card. As my immigrant husband would say, there are far less painful ways of doing it.
There are easier ways to get unfettered access to kids than the priesthood. Think about it.
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laylow
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I care about the protection of people, especially the vulnerable. I don’t care about stupid rules that mean nothing.I dunno. It sure seems to have been effective in getting your attention.
That is one, that I can recall.
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laylow
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Maybe that will work, if they are going to that level. But in the meantime, people will continue to not take their kids to the Church. And that will not hurt my feelings one bit.
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laylow
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Easier? Apparently not, since so many have gotten away with it.
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Pup7
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Here’s a challenge.
Walk yourself into a Catholic Church and - without being horrid about it - ask someone if you can talk to them about the reforms put into place after the magnitude of the abuse scandal was discovered. Talk to people who work in the Church and educate yourself. Do some actual research and not baiting in a Catholic oriented forum (because that’s the slope you’re going down).
You’re sitting behind your keyboard taking potshots at the laity. Why not use that device in front of you to actually learn something about the issue over blaming us for it and extolling the virtues of everything except our faith?
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Right. Because the RCC is the largest hotbed of child molestation in the world.
Not hardly.
You seriously need to do some actual research on pedophilia and molestation scandals. You also have yet to read the link Gorgias provided.
You’re just taking shots now without any real substance behind them. You have access to the Web like the rest of us and are likely smart enough to sniff out reliable resources. You should go do that. ASAP.
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Your true colors are showing.
You give not one whit about the issue at hand. You’re here for the potshots.
How very sad.
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I’m impressed. I would’ve thought any priest would do, known perpetrator or not.
Exactly what makes you think any of us wouldn’t like to do the same?
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laylow
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Actually, I have a few priests that I am very good friends with.
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Pup7
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It’s not a lie. It’s how you’re coming across.
Lying would be saying “I actually know you in real life”. That’s a lie, and a violation of the commandment.
It’s not “thou shalt not speculate based on responses”.
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