More "woke" brainwashing before and during Toy Story 4

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That graph starts on the 70s and I was thinking earlier than that. When I say software was considered woman’s work, it was considered that because the jobs that got recognition in the field in the 40s through 60s had to do with hardware. Software was not considered to be as important as we think of it today. So, at the time, it was considered as something women could work on so that men could focus on the hardware.

Either way, as you point out, it makes it less convincing to say that women are not interested in computer/tech jobs because they inherently aren’t interested in the work.
 
bobperk said:
There was also a Google girl-power commercial, girls doing science experiments, going into space, sickeningly over-the-top wokeness.
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Aggressive commercials will deter almost no boys. On the other hand
, (sarcastic) if woman are the gullible and inferior sex they will conform to the message that
, woman shall enter the world of STEM in greater numbers.
 
bobperk said:
Female Disney characters used to be feminine and now they’re feminist . Big difference. The first is natural, strong, beautiful, and complements the family. The second is forced, bitter, vengeful, and anti-family.
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I’m thinking of the more modern Disney characters (Frozen, Tangled) and the older ones (Snow White, Mulan)…they’re really not that different. Who is anti family/vengeful? Maybe you can expand on that? What exactly is feminine?

I also don’t understand why feminist and feminine seems to be understood as two opposing ends. I’ve seen stereotypically masculine anti feminists, and feminine feminists.
 
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It’s because women generally aren’t naturally attracted to those subjects, just like men aren’t generally excited about teaching 3rd graders or being NICU nurses.
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I agree with this.

I can’t imagine being a girl in elementary or middle school nowadays and being “pressured” to be interested in STEM.

I work in a microbiology lab (hospital) today, and earned my degree in Biology/Medical Technology. I loved the biological and life sciences all through school, but HATED the chemistry and physics classes–did well enough in them because I’m a good test-taker. But HATED them! After I got my degree and passed my registry exam, I looked for a job in a lab microbiology department because I get to work with the “little creatures” on the petri plates, not with computers that take in blood samples and spit out numbers. (Of course, the microbiology department is now moving towards more of this kind of thing, as instruments like the MALDI-TOF have replaced the old-fashioned biochemical methods.

Anyway, to this day, I’m a total numbskull when it comes to electronics, computers, mathematics, physics, chemistry, etc. Cars are a mystery to me, as are any machines. I even have a hard time figuring out how to work kitchen appliances!

If I had been bombarded with messages that “GIRLS can do STEM, too! GIRLS should be scientists! GIRLS should be engineers!, etc.” I would have probably become convinced that something was wrong with my brain and that I was mentally-handicapped or stupid and didn’t deserve to grow up and graduate and earn a degree and get a decent job, and I probably would have ended up in poverty!

Seriously. Being told that “YOU can do it,!” when you can’t–that’s pretty discouraging.

All of us have a different “natural bent,” and we should be encouraged to go with our natural bent and develop it. My older daughter works in the entertainment industry and makes a very good living doing it–a lot of people thought we were crazy for encouraging her to get involved with theater throughout her childhood and teenage years, but we went with her natural bent and it worked out just fine. My other daughter had many talents and it was difficult to determine where she should head in life, but we encouraged all of her “natural bents” and eventually it became obvious that she belonged in the healing arts.

Neither of our girls showed any interest in STEM, although my younger daughter was told by boys in her class (3rd grade) that “girls can’t do math,” and that made her so MAD that she demonstrated that yes she COULD do math, and she ended up outstripping them completely when it came to math achievements. She didn’t really like math and it would have been a mistake for her to enter a math career–but sheer stubbornness helped her to excel in it!

No one should be coerced into a career that is not right for them.
 
I disagree: many girls just don’t consider careers in tech because they don’t know anything about them. It’s a cultural cause. I ended up in the tech industry directly because of STEM initiatives and I’m super grateful for that - I had no idea what I wanted to do after high school.
 
I’m going to make another comment concerning girls and STEM.

Many STEM careers take many years of schooling–many years. Often, a Ph. D or some other very advanced degree is required, taking the woman into her mid-20s before she is finished with school.

And even more importantly, many of these careers are not 9-5 or 7-3. They are the types of jobs that require many hours in a lab, research facility, or office, and you don’t get to leave just because you’ve already put in your 8 hours. And often, travel is necessary.

People who don’t give it their all and devote their lives to developing the product, doing the experiments, doing the travelling, or troubleshooting the problems–well, they will be passed over for the promotions and better assignments, and their fellow scientists may not take them seriously.

What this means practically is that it’s kind of hard for women to do this and have/raise children.

Many women do it–many of these careers pay amazing salaries that enable the woman to have the best of pre-natal care and hire a nanny or governess once the child(ren) is(are) born. Some women have husbands who take on the child-rearing role.

So if a girl has a natural bent towards STEM, yes, go for it.

But many of us on CAF discuss the decline of the “large Catholic family” and the joys of child-rearing, and STEM careers make it very difficult for women to pursue this type of life.

At least with my job in the lab, I’m able to put in my eight hours and go home and forget all about the work until the next day. Also, I took six years off to do child-rearing when my girls were babies/toddlers, and I went back to work with no problem at all–I wasn’t “behind” and I quickly got back into the World of Microbes!

So I guess my point is–be careful what you push.
 
Peeps said:
Seriously. Being told that “YOU can do it,!” when you can’t–that’s pretty discouraging.
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I’ve experienced the opposite. I was told that being interested in science, specifically astronomy, was unnatural for a girl. I was told it was more natural for a girl to be interested in makeup and fashion.

I liked cooking and needlework also so I wasn’t given grief for that but encouraged because they were stereotypical feminine interests.
 
Same here.

If it wasn’t for the STEM initiative, I wouldn’t have the education and job experience that helped me make a nice living in something I enjoyed doing.
 
Other than one so-called teacher (high school chemistry and physics, but he was utterly unqualified and should have been fired the first week!), ALL the other teachers I had all my life told me and the other girls that we SHOULD be interested in STEM. I graduated from high school in 1975, long before the big STEM push started. Grew up in Northern Illinois–not sure if that’s what made the difference or not from those of you who grew up in schools where teachers discouraged girls from STEM classes and careers.

I was also pushed by my parents and other relatives into becoming a doctor because I was smart in school . I went along with it because that’s what kids did back then, but when it came time for college, I went for a music degree. After a year, I realized that I was not a good fit in the musical world (I didn’t drink, do drugs, wasn’t gay, and didn’t like to stay up late for “gigs!”–maybe if I had gone to a Christian school and gone into church music, I would have fared better!).

So i switched to Biology, which thrilled my parents because it is a “pre-med” major–but I knew in my soul that I was not cut out to be a doctor, so I went into Medical Technology (lab) instead, and it was a good choice for me.

I was 2nd in my class, and the girl who was #1 went to college and earned her Doctorate in Engineering. But…

…she HATED IT!!!

We stayed friends, and when we were both in our 30s, she told me that because she was smart, all her life she had been pressured by teachers into entering a science career. She felt that she had to go into something like engineering.

Eventually, she was so miserable that she ended her marriage and went back to college to do what she REALLY wanted to do, which was psychology. (still a “science” career, but definitely a lot more “humanities”, too). She finished her doctorate and started a practice in our city and LOVED it!

I am NOT advocating the end of pushing STEM, but I believe in a balanced approach in education, and I definitely don’t believe that STEM should be emphasized more for one sex than the other. I think that students should be well-educated about ALL the options that are available, and I think that parents should expose their child to all kinds of careers.

So perhaps it was just my generation, but I never felt in the 1960s and 1970s that we girls were discouraged from STEM or that boys were treated differently.

One of my role models, BTW, was Dr. Julia Hoffman on the old soap opera, “Dark Shadows.” She was tough as nails and a brilliant doctor/researcher. Even though I didn’t become a doctor, i did end up in the lab, just like Dr. Hoffman. Unfortunately, I’ve never seen those “tiny bat cells” under the microscope!
 
this is why I no longer go to the movies. I wait till it is available as a download on my TV. That way I can skip the stupid stuff.
 
I see this is another thread that me and my STEM degrees better just mute and move on before I say something that will get me in trouble.
Fortunately, the real world is most definitely not CAF.
 
Wow. Are we really complaining about pro-gay propaganda and encouraging girls to do science in the same breath?! CAF brings out a weird strictly American brand of conservatism that mixes in orthodox Catholicism but then goes way beyond that into odd fringes…
 
And there’s no issue with a dad who is never around? That seems to be the unstated assumption with a of these discussions… Fr Ripperger et al insisting a man should take two jobs before his wife considers working. As a dad who takes my 3 year old son out to the park or biking most evenings and on Father-Son excursions every weekend… the idea disgusts me. Not saying your promoting fathers who simply work and never see their kids… but that seems to be the logical conclusion to the whole “dads do whatever you can to ensure mom never has to leave the house and just raises kids” message.
 
I have two sisters and if anyone ever tried to discourage them from pursuing science because they were girls, that would have made my blood boil! (Not sure what this has to do with ‘Toy Story’ though …)
 
I think the problem in Hollywood is that there are not many people who are creative enough to come up with new stories for movies.
So they take an old movie that was successful and keep making new movies until they run it to death.
I loved Rocky and Rocky II. Rocky III was good. But after that it just started going downhill.
How many times have they tried to breath life into Superman, Batman, Spiderman, and every other Marvel comic hero?
Star Wars. Godzilla. Enough already.
Are there no creative minds in Hollywood?
Time to return to reading books for entertainment and knowledge value.
 
Sure not the Disney I remember from the 50’s/60’s. Pretty sure this is reason enough to avoid the “modern” version today’s Disney productions. I don’t think Walt had any of this in mind back in the day.
 
Scott84 said:
We fortunately were not subjected to sodomite propaganda before the movie.
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What, the propoganda you saw was just promoting same sex by females?

(Note to self: Must investigate why so many Catholics think gay sex only involves men and only involves anal sex).
 
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