There are two theories that have gotten play as to the book of mormon peoples and both have been debated in mormon circles. One is the limited geographical theory which more or less says that the book of mormon peoples inhabited a small area of land. The second one is the hemispheric model which claims just the opposite. The piece that you linked would probably follow the limited geographical model.
Difficult to take care of them if the angel took them back. You see, if the gold plates were allowed to stay on earth and presented to the public, most of the catholics here would now be mormon since such plates would prove the lds church true. And of course, for a god that works on faith, such a happening would not occur.There are indeed no gold plates and the LDS know that very well. I have often thought to myself " self if you had some golden plates upon which were written secrets from G-d that would effect all mankind…don’t you think you would take better care of them?
Catholic20064, there is no evidence for the BoM. Some mormons grasp at anything they can as “evidence”, but when weighed against proper methodology for determining if that evidence is valid, it always falls short.
you then believe the Bible to be just dead words like history? I believe that God speaks to us directly through it today. when we prayerfully read it we find many answers to our most specific questions right there in it. yes you need to believe it is sacred scripture and not just a book. that is where faith comes in.
i don’t think i am communicating the difference very well. perhaps you could read the catholic definitions yourself and see if that helps. try this article:
excellent question! you have to decide if you believe in Christ. then if you do you have to look at the context in which his words were written and see what early Christians taught and practiced based upon that. then you have to decide if that seems consistent or if you believe that all records of the early church were lost and that God abandoned the church for 1800 years and redid it in america with new doctrines and practices. then i think you can pray more effectively for truth.
while I don’t discount this (Peter is a good example of this) I don’t agree that everyone necessarily gets a “revelation” perhaps I am stuck on the semantics. I do believe that the Holy Spirit teaches us and that God in all three persons can and does communicate with us as individuals.
I would agree that studying these is a great approach. But ultimately, one needs to get confirmation whether some, all, or none of these are sources from God. ]/quote] so once again I believe it depends on how we are defining this confirmation.
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no i’m not saying that but i think he already answered this for all of us and I think we might differ on how he would provide the answer.I am surprised to hear you say this. I can think of no more eternally important question to ask God then which church is true.
Are you suggesting that God will ignore such a prayer?
I agree.
You will find the BOM full of similar stupid stories. Where you get the real whizzers is in D&C, where all the “revelations” are found. There is something there for everyone, like the one JS got when he tried to con his wife into accepting polygamy. If I tried to pull that on my wife, I would be singing soprano in jig time.
This one I think is the kicker:You will find the BOM full of similar stupid stories. Where you get the real whizzers is in D&C, where all the “revelations” are found. There is something there for everyone, like the one JS got when he tried to con his wife into accepting polygamy. If I tried to pull that on my wife, I would be singing soprano in jig time.
A guy struggles for breath after his head is cut off?
Kinda like the stories that you read in the supermarket checkout line, you know the kind. Here’s how I think that they did it/do it. All the writers sit around a big table.This one I think is the kicker:
A guy struggles for breath after his head is cut off?
That sounds like it was imagined by a teen-aged boy.
Paul
God turned the clothing white and delightsome.
Thanks for the response. I will certainly read this article so I can understand what you are saying more clearly. I think we are somewhat talking around each other. Let me see though if I can restate what I think you are saying:
Is this the “official” excuse of the mormon church???
It is a good thing that the angel knew that Joe Smith could not be trusted with the “gold plates”. The old crook would have run them to the closest hock shop.
I have been discussing ways of obtaining truth with another individual and just noticed this post.
Not exactly:
Not to mention in the context of the story, it would make NO sense. “Hey Laban, strip down so I can steal your metal plates, lopp off your head and wear your clothes.” Yup. That’s what happened.
Where in the above statment does it say when he actually removed the clothes from Laban? To Rebecca’s point I believe he was drunk and completely in a stupor so it should have been no problem to remove his clothes before killing him.
