Mormonism, Catholicism and Devoutness

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Same here. No one knows who gave what, just the total of all sources. And for the parish, it’s broken down as to weekly offerings, special offerings, candles, special masses, etc. Then the out flow is organized by salaries, maintenance, etc. but no one knows how much any individual makes.

Pax
 
I have heard similar claims from my ex-Mormon friends. I pray that you heal from the institutional coersion perpetratated on you and your family by the Mormon Church.
 
gazelam said:
This charge is lacking in detail. What do “ Mormon individuals acting in concert with Mormon money ”, “ Mormon money coming from high, traced places ” and “ harm my family in multiple ways ” actually mean?
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I said it was a personal story. You weren’t involved, and therefore you don’t need to know the details.
 
Pattylt said:
@gazelam, have you ever tried going to your church and asking to see the books for where your tithes went? How much the church earns? Where it’s money is invested?
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I think counting sheep is much much more exciting than examining the finances of a religious organization.
Pattylt said:
I’m willing to bet that they get upset that you should even ask and should just trust them. If you still try to pursue it, you will be stonewalled and shunned for it.
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Who would shun moi?!?!
Pattylt said:
Do you think your church should be this way? A bit of transparency would go a long way in settling many concerns that the LDS have as well as the general public. Why don’t they want anyone to know where the money goes?
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It’s obvious where the money goes: building and upkeep of chapels and temples, missionary airfares, mission homes, mission cars, welfare projects, charitable donations, employee salaries, teaching materials, support for Church-owned universities, and investments for a rainy day (or a rainy decade as Mitt Romney says).
Pattylt said:
I know that synagogues will open their books. I believe the RCC will. I think many Protestant churches will. The LDS has never opened their books even at the ward level but, if they have, can you link it?
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Never is a long time. Are you sure about that? When you say that you believe that the RCC will open their books, does that mean the RCC has never done so up to now?
 
😀😀😀 Deflect much?

Already answered above about parishes. You won’t ask because you know they won’t. Face it, the Mormon church never reveals their finances.

You aren’t completely alone in this. A few other churches also hide their books. The RCC and many other churches as well as synagogues open their books to any that ask. My question is, why do Mormons or any that do hide their books, do so?
 
Diaconia said:
Did you check with L. Ron Hubbard, perchance?
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😂😂😂

Yeah, he’s a class act! The whole of Scientology needs to be shunned and condemned, or at least, ignored! Talk about how some people will believe anything! 😱
 
gazelam said:
Never is a long time. Are you sure about that? When you say that you believe that the RCC will open their books, does that mean the RCC has never done so up to now?
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See my post above concerning the yearly financial statements that I’ve gotten from my parish and diocese for DECADES.
 
gazelam said:
Why do you believe that your experience was a justification for leaving The Church is Jesus Christ,
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For starters, I left the Mormon church, not the Church of Jesus Christ. The Mormon church has nothing to do with Jesus Christ other than its name.

I left because the lying got to be more than I could stand and the devastation to so many families I counseled with was too heart breaking.
 
Julie4 said:
I have found the devoutness in Mormanism to be forced. They must tithe their 10%, must do what their church says, they are not allowed to question.
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I had to meet with every family in my ward once a year to have them settle their debts to the Lord. We called that “tithing settlement” and every member was asked to declare whether they were full tithe payers, part tithe payers or non tithe payers. Everything was laid out on the table. I had men who owned businesses and lived in million dollar houses who paid almost no tithing yet declared themselves as full tithe payers. They justified it because their tax returns showed that their businesses were not profitable. I had poor people who couldn’t afford food and utilities who were made to feel unworthy because they couldn’t pay their tithes. People took out high interest loans on credit cards just to be square with the Lord. And everything in between. It’s high pressure and punitive. It’s evil.
 
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The Catholic vow of obedience in religious life for example, is a vow to be obedient to The Rule and Constitution as well as the leadership of their community.
The Catholic vows or promises to obedience, poverty and chastity, to which all are called in varying degrees, is to build on Baptism and live a far more radical way of life than ordinarily demanded.
 
BarbTh said:
The Catholic vow of obedience in religious life for example, is a vow to be obedient to The Rule and Constitution as well as the leadership of their community.
The Catholic vows or promises to obedience, poverty and chastity, to which all are called in varying degrees, is to build on Baptism and live a far more radical way of life than ordinarily demanded.
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Thank you for the enlightening response. God bless you!
 
Thank you very much, gazelam😊. I am very happy that it was of some help to you. Deo Gratius. And may The Good God bless you also.
 
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How could I even begin to answer this? Your whole religion is a lie, from the first vision, to polygamy, to the Book of Abraham and to blacks being the seed of Cain. It’s more lies than it is truths.
 
Formon said:
How could I even begin to answer this?
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This question seems to be a device to excuse yourself from justifying your previous statement.
Formon said:
Your whole religion is a lie, from the first vision, to polygamy, to the Book of Abraham and to blacks being the seed of Cain. It’s more lies than it is truths.
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Please describe the lie for each of these topics (i.e., first vision, polygamy, Book of Abraham, blacks being the seed of Cain).
 
gazelam said:
Please describe the lie for each of these topics (i.e., first vision, polygamy, Book of Abraham, blacks being the seed of Cain).
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Why are you requesting information that you know are “problems” with LDS doctrine? It’s all over the internet. You know what the “lies” are. You are asking so so you can give the LDS apologetics to them. Even Wikipedia give a pretty fair documentation to the First Vision. Here…


Do you deny the controversy surrounding the polygamy issues?
Do you deny the problems surrounding the book of Abraham?
Do you deny the LDS history of what it taught about blacks?

Really?
 
Well, I was going to jump in here but you answered him better than I would have. Thank you!
 
No! Please also answer him! You have an insiders view that I certainly lack and I enjoy hearing your point of view. I’m just flabbergasted that he implies that anyone would question these issues as though he’s either never heard of it or has all the perfect answers of why everyone that’s not Mormon would think these are lies! We all (that have read the thousands of websites) don’t know what the church has said and done, how the stories have changed, the vision in its multiple editions, the exposure of JSs fraud and especially…the way blacks were viewed!
 
You did just fine. Here’s the thing. I was a member all my life. A faithful member by most Mormon standards. I did all the things good Mormon boys do. I was an Eagle Scout, served a mission, graduated from BYU, married in the Salt Lake City Temple, raised children to be good Mormons, worthily served in many callings. I used to seek out people who spoke against the Mormon faith and voraciously defended the Mormon church. I would go to the Easter pageant in Mesa, Arizona and not even see the pageant, but instead, stand outside of the gates and argue with the anti-Mormons. I did the same at the pageant in Manti, Utah. I was a pretty good defender of the faith. But I always knew inside that I was defending the indefensible. I always had that secret ache inside of me. Lots of Mormons do. Gazelem is probably one of them, for all we know. But don’t expect him to admit it. He knows in his heart the lies that I’m talking about. If he wants to try to gaslight me, it’s fine, but I’m not falling for it. I know the truth. I think he knows the truth. The easy path is to stay safely in the Mormon flock and not stray. The honorable and more difficult thing is to follow the light. It took me far too many years to muster up the strength that I should have had all along. I’m ashamed of myself for the years I spent knowing that I was living a lie. I’m not a model of a person by any stretch. I’m still stumbling around, not always doing my best, but trying. At least I worship a God who I know loves me and whose only begotten Son has paid for my sins. Unlike the Mormon God who is harsh and only accepts perfection.
 
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