Mormonism, Catholicism and Devoutness

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We all get along fine. I just think it’s kind of funny that I’m regarded as the reason we are an incomplete family. They pray for me and I pray for them :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
 
I think the main difference is because many people are Catholic by tradition as much as by conviction of the heart. Outside of Utah, most people are Mormon because of conviction, particularly if they are converts. Inside Utah where many members are born into it, you have a level of observance similar to Catholicism.

One other issue is that Mormon do require and expect more.

Another issue is the way lay priesthood. You can’t have all your young men out serving missions because if you ordained all the young men in the Parish, there would be no one to raise families.
 
Raxus said:
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I think the main difference is because many people are Catholic by tradition as much as by conviction of the heart. Outside of Utah, most people are Mormon because of BRAINWASHING
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This “fix” is very unkind.
 
I hate when I hear things like this because I used to be a part of that machine that grinded up hearts and souls. I hope one day God will forgive me for having been a faithful Mormon.
 
Formon said:
I hope one day God will forgive me for having been a faithful Mormon.
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You were trying your best, and I for one don’t hold you responsible for anything. I do hold the institution itself responsible for much evil, but imo that evil was perpetrated on you, not by you. Don’t see why God wouldn’t see it that way either.
 
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Formon said:
I hope one day God will forgive me for having been a faithful Mormon.
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‘For you, O Lord, are good and forgiving, abounding in steadfast love to all who call upon you.’ — Psalm 86:5
 
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This “fix” is very unkind.
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The Mormon church was very unkind to me and mine.
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If that was the case, why not just follow Christ’s example on such matters?

1 Peter 2:23 When he was insulted, he returned no insult; when he suffered, he did not threaten…
 
Formon said:
I hate when I hear things like this because I used to be a part of that machine that grinded up hearts and souls. I hope one day God will forgive me for having been a faithful Mormon.
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Why do you believe that your experience was a justification for leaving The Church is Jesus Christ, as opposed to your experience being a “fiery trial” promised to all disciples of Christ?

1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

Thanks in advance.
 
gazelam said:
1 Peter 2:23 When he was insulted, he returned no insult; when he suffered, he did not threaten…
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I haven’t threatened the Mormon church in any way, shape or form despite the grievous harm it has inflicted upon my family.
 
I would beg to differ that Catholics “don’t care.” As in any faith tradition, there are varying levels of zeal in what their participants believe. As a Catholic, I believe everything that I have been taught about the Church. Sometimes I feel very zealous and emotional about my beliefs. Other times, I am more stoic. But my condition has no bearing on the level of caring I have for Catholicism. I am a convert of 11 years. Prior to that, I was an Evangelical Protestant. Comparing the two, I have definitely found the Catholic Church to embody the Truth.

I have found the devoutness in Mormanism to be forced. They must tithe their 10%, must do what their church says, they are not allowed to question. Also, many Mormans do not really know their faith. And of course, beliefs are often not rational. They are based on conditioning and indoctrination. I’m sure that there are lots of devout Mormans, just as there are lots of devout Catholics – the difference being that one religion (Mormanism) is newer and man made, while the other (Catholicism) is ancient, true and has stood the test of time.
 
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1 Peter 2:23 When he was insulted, he returned no insult; when he suffered, he did not threaten…
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I haven’t threatened the Mormon church in any way, shape or form despite the grievous harm it has inflicted upon my family.
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What grievous harm did it inflict on your family?
 
gazelam said:
What grievous harm did it inflict on your family?
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That’s a personal story, and a long one. Suffice to say that Mormon individuals acting in concert with Mormon money coming from high, traced places conspired to harm my family in multiple ways from which it can never truly recover. The Mormon church is little more than a religious-flavored mafia, one that has pulled the wool over many of its members’ eyes.
 
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What grievous harm did it inflict on your family?
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That’s a personal story, and a long one. Suffice to say that Mormon individuals acting in concert with Mormon money coming from high, traced places conspired to harm my family in multiple ways from which it can never truly recover. The Mormon church is little more than a religious-flavored mafia, one that has pulled the wool over many of its members’ eyes.
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This charge is lacking in detail. What do “Mormon individuals acting in concert with Mormon money”, “Mormon money coming from high, traced places” and “harm my family in multiple ways” actually mean?
 
Interesting observation. I think a strong community will certainly keep many people coming back and in line. Catholicism seems much less community oriented than Moronism and many branches of Protestantism. It’s easy to not be noticed and not really get to know other people in your Catholic parish unless you really try to put yourself out there. From Protestant services I’ve attended, people have always noticed I’m a new face and try to be friendly and meet you
 
I agree. From the outside(the stances on morality and the members), Mormonism seems very similar to Catholicism, more so than other Protestant denominations
 
@gazelam, have you ever tried going to your church and asking to see the books for where your tithes went? How much the church earns? Where it’s money is invested?

I’m willing to bet that they get upset that you should even ask and should just trust them. If you still try to pursue it, you will be stonewalled and shunned for it.

Do you think your church should be this way? A bit of transparency would go a long way in settling many concerns that the LDS have as well as the general public. Why don’t they want anyone to know where the money goes?

I know that synagogues will open their books. I believe the RCC will. I think many Protestant churches will. The LDS has never opened their books even at the ward level but, if they have, can you link it?
 
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I know that synagogues will open their books. I believe the RCC will.
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I know my parish and diocese have yearly statements that go out to every parishioner of the parish and diocese. And they are audited.

Pax
 
IKR! When I first heard about the secrecy of Mormon finances, I was taken back a bit as I couldn’t imagine not getting a yearly report of expenses and income.

Jews tithe a bit differently that most Christians as they tend to do yearly requests based on income…they don’t ask your income, they just have a range of incomes and recommended amounts that you are requested to pay however you’d like…monthly, quarterly, yearly. The amounts given aren’t shared but the totals of incoming and outgoing are!
 
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