Mormonism, Catholicism and Devoutness

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openmind77 said:
So Mormons believe that the glorified body of the Christ as well as that of the Father is made of flesh, blood and bones?
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Almost - just flesh and bone.

1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
openmind77 said:
I am not sure that is standard Catholic/Christian understanding of the glorified body, but I could be wrong.
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Perhaps this Catholic Answers Article will help you better understand the Catholic belief. I hope this helps…
 
Stephen168 said:
Right, like man, the god of Mormonism is a creature. So @Genesis315 is right.

God himself was Once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. - Joseph Smith, 1844

Gods and humans represent a single divine lineage, the same species of being, although they and he are at different stages of progress. This doctrine is stated concisely in a well-known couplet by President Lorenzo Snow: “As man now is, God once was: as God now is, man may be” - Encyclopdia of Mormonism
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gazelam said:
In Latter-day Saint belief both God and Man have no beginning and therefore aren’t creatures in the classic Trinitarian sense.
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Man is a creature in the trinitarian sense. Mormonism teaches their god and man are the same “species.” Therefore the Mormon god is a creature. Or are you claiming man are Gods?

God himself was Once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. - Joseph Smith, 1844

Gods and humans represent a single divine lineage, the same species of being, although they and he are at different stages of progress. This doctrine is stated concisely in a well-known couplet by President Lorenzo Snow: “As man now is, God once was: as God now is, man may be” - Encyclopdia of Mormonism
 
There is some truth to that, however, historically, Anglicans have not really had a problem calling themselves Protestant. The thirty-nine articles sound pretty Protestant to me. But that’s another discussion.
 
adamhovey1988 said:
There is some truth to that, however, historically, Anglicans have not really had a problem calling themselves Protestant. The thirty-nine articles sound pretty Protestant to me. But that’s another discussion.
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Of course, they haven’t because they are Protestant. But the Anglican “high church” is probably the Protestant church that has drifted the least away from classic Catholic teachings and its divine liturgy is very similar to our Mass.
 
The abortion issue in the Mormon church is really odd. I held disciplinary councils on three different occasions for women in my ward who had abortions. In the first instance, the young, unmarried woman was put on probation. In the second instance, a married woman was excommunicated from the church and in the third instance, a very young newlywed was disfellowshipped. It all depends on what God’s will is regarding these women. In two of the cases, the women who were disciplined stopped coming to church and never returned. It was shameful and embarrassing to them. But in the Mormon church, the intent is to shame and embarass the sinner. It’s generally quite easy to pick out of the congregation those who have been disciplined. It’s harsh. There’s nothing loving about it.

What is also interesting is that in spite of what they tell you, Mormons do not forgive certain sins. They teach that when a person repents that God remembers their sin no more. But here’s just one example to the contrary. If a young man were to get a girl pregnant, and even worse, if she were to subsequently get an abortion, he could go through the repentance process but he would never be considered worthy to serve a mission. Why? Because the church doesn’t forgive certain sins. God might forget but your church leaders never will. It’s the proverbial Scarlett letter.

Mormons are not nice to sinners. Which is why so many of them just lie in order to not have to deal with the consequences.
 
The Mormon church largely worships money, and it’s where their tight control and cult-like behavior comes from. That’s why many of their members seem so ardent; they’re carefully inculcated into thinking that the Mormon church is the only thing there for them, that will always pick them up, etc. God help those who try to leave; at best, they’re pestered for a very long time afterwards, and at worst, they’re stalked and harrassed. There are numerous threads here you can find about what the Mormon church is like to its former members when the happy veneer slips off.
 
Formon said:
It all depends on what God’s will is regarding these women.
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Can you explain how do they discern what is God’s will for someone?
Is it by kind of prayer, by “mystical experiences” or just some rational decisions?
 
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At bishop’s disciplinary councils, they hear what the person has to say and then they send them out of the room while they pray about it and try to feel the direction of the spirit. In more difficult cases, I would offer a prayer and then ask each of my counselors to do the same. Then I would ask them for their thoughts on the matter at hand, but ultimately the decision would be mine, as the bishop.

Disciplinary councils are done at the ward level before the bishopric or at the stake level before the stake presidency and high council. They do them a little differently from each other. Both are designed to inflict maximum pain upon the sinner. I’ve been to both and seen tough men broken to tears and destroyed. It’s shameful.

There are other types of disciplinary councils for branches, districts and missions as well.
 
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Thank you for explanation!
Sounds like something that can only bring desperation without chance of being forgiven.
 
Forgiveness in the Mormon church is a bit messy, too. They believe there are two kinds of forgiveness required. God has to forgive you and the church also has to forgive you. So … if God has forgiven you, shouldn’t that be enough? Nope! Not if you’re a Mormon.
 
It is terrible but that’s what happens even outside Mormon temple. God forgave me but family didn’t. Mormons think it is rule. Not everyone else think it is okay but yet it happens even to us Catholics.
 
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Yeah, thanks to me, my family is no longer complete. Sometimes they set an empty chair at the dinner table when they get together as a symbol of me being lost.
 
Formon said:
Forgiveness in the Mormon church is a bit messy, too. They believe there are two kinds of forgiveness required. God has to forgive you and the church also has to forgive you. So … if God has forgiven you, shouldn’t that be enough? Nope! Not if you’re a Mormon.
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I’m curious…were the more wealthy members forgiven a bit easier than those that had much smaller tithes? I had a friend that was Mormon and was excommunicated due to an identical issue that a wealthier member who was merely chastised and told to pray on it.

She felt the discrepancy was so blatant that being excommunicated was the best thing to ever happen to her!
 
I’ve never heard that or experienced it but there is definitely a type of caste system in the Mormon church. I had a number of poorer members who I counseled with who were made to feel second rate by things that were said at church. That’s pretty common.
 
I’ve also heard about their caste system…those that can trace back to Joseph Smith or Brigham Young. That’s nor hard to do when they had so many kids with so many wives! So they seem to distinguish between old established Mormon families and more recents?
 
Actually, their numbers of kids is not all that impressive. Brigham Young had 55 wives but only 56 kids. Joseph Smith had at least 34 wives, including two 14 year olds and at least 11 already married women, and only 10 kids. The Book of Mormon condemns polygamy as an egregious sin, except as God commands it for the sake of raising up seed unto Him. So much for them raising a lot of seed. It was all about sexual deviance, much like today’s Warren Jeffs.
 
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Formon said:
Yeah, thanks to me, my family is no longer complete. Sometimes they set an empty chair at the dinner table when they get together as a symbol of me being lost.
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I’m really sorry you had and have to go through all that. I hope you have a good support system currently.
 
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